Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

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Fundaamental

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I know this is ok because Hamas kills children too.

Can I call myself a Christian for saying that ?

 

ZNP

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I know this is ok because Hamas kills children too.

Can I call myself a Christian for saying that ?

If you want an example of how Christians fight wars watch the docudrama "Hacksaw Ridge"
 

Cameron143

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this response is what many people are saying that Hamas struck first, but did they ?
Plus your reasoning is allowing more children to be killed so maybe I should ask you the same question,

Do you approve child murder ?

Because the way Isreal are killing children is worse than hamas,

So who is hamas ?

Is Hamas, Hamas or is hamas the decoy,

Because I can't see any difference between Hamas Isreal Russia USA Great Britain, all the 4 countries with nuclear arms,

There all saying the same thing, which is we have the excuse to kill children whilst Hamas do not.

Or Russia will say we have the authority to kill children whilst Ukraine do not.

And all along for decades Russia UK USA Isreal have killed more children than anybody else
It's an emotional issue for you. I get that. There is a place for sentimentality and everyone should be sickened by the senseless loss of life. But I'm only concerned for a solution. Within that solution, I am concerned for the lowest amount of loss of life.
The solution, in my opinion, is to destroy Hamas. And once that is a reality, some presence will be necessary to insure no other group is allowed to come in and create the same situation again. This will make for conditions to exist where innocent lives will never again be an issue. And while it will mean there will be more civilian lives lost in the present, it will save countless times more lives in the future.
I don't believe this is a perfect solution, but merely the best of all the bad choices. A ceasefire only ensures that civilian losses will continue now and in the future. This is neither humane or moral. It's merely sentimental and isn't an actual solution.
Regarding how other nations defend their atrocities, I'll be glad to address those on the basis of each case and circumstances, if you like.
 

Mem

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As long as an entire nation of peoples collectively suffer of Stockholm Syndrome, they'll always want to return to their bondage.
 

Fundaamental

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It's an emotional issue for you. I get that. There is a place for sentimentality and everyone should be sickened by the senseless loss of life. But I'm only concerned for a solution. Within that solution, I am concerned for the lowest amount of loss of life.
The solution, in my opinion, is to destroy Hamas. And once that is a reality, some presence will be necessary to insure no other group is allowed to come in and create the same situation again. This will make for conditions to exist where innocent lives will never again be an issue. And while it will mean there will be more civilian lives lost in the present, it will save countless times more lives in the future.
I don't believe this is a perfect solution, but merely the best of all the bad choices. A ceasefire only ensures that civilian losses will continue now and in the future. This is neither humane or moral. It's merely sentimental and isn't an actual solution.
Regarding how other nations defend their atrocities, I'll be glad to address those on the basis of each case and circumstances, if you like.
and your basing your assessment on social media reports,
 

Mem

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And there's quite a bit of Munchausen Syndrome in the mix as well.
 

TabinRivCA

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How do we know that the Palestinians are not the real Jews because there's definitely a holocaust happening,

All we have is the word of social media, and all we have is One party favouring the other. As well as all theese excuses with no real justification for over 3000 children killed in as little as 1 month now.
Do you agree with people who say Israel needs to be taken off the map? True not all Israel's neighbors think this but many in power do, and they're fanatics. What if our neighbor didn't think we had the right to exist? I would imagine we would be super careful who we let in from there, and if they led an attack on our soil, I wonder what we would do. The fact is someone simply doesn't want peace.
Israel and her people want peace but this is not going to happen until the antichrist shows up and will have a solution, unfortunately it will be a ploy.
Also, the drug captagon which is a stimulant in the amphetamine family, was found on many of the terrorists. Some of the varied anti-Israel cliques around the world should try voicing their other opinions in a non-free country and see how they get treated.
 

Fundaamental

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Do you agree with people who say Israel needs to be taken off the map? True not all Israel's neighbors think this but many in power do, and they're fanatics. What if our neighbor didn't think we had the right to exist? I would imagine we would be super careful who we let in from there, and if they led an attack on our soil, I wonder what we would do. The fact is someone simply doesn't want peace.
Israel and her people want peace but this is not going to happen until the antichrist shows up and will have a solution, unfortunately it will be a ploy.
Also, the drug captagon which is a stimulant in the amphetamine family, was found on many of the terrorists. Some of the varied anti-Israel cliques around the world should try voicing their other opinions in a non-free country and see how they get treated.
your quote is just another biased social media quote , that has you believing like lot of people the death of 3000 children in 4 weeks is justified.
 

Fundaamental

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Surely you realize that all that I wrote, of necessity, has a wide variety of sources.
nope I realize how many innocent civilians all the countries that have nuclear weapons have got away with killing in many ethnic cleansings, my friend left the army for, simply because he didn't want to participate in anymore ethnic cleansings.
 

Cameron143

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nope I realize how many innocent civilians all the countries that have nuclear weapons have got away with killing in many ethnic cleansings, my friend left the army for, simply because he didn't want to participate in anymore ethnic cleansings.
It's unfortunate that the conversation has left the arena of truth, and gone to rhetoric. Killing Hamas isn't ethnic cleansing..
 

TabinRivCA

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your quote is just another biased social media quote , that has you believing like lot of people the death of 3000 children in 4 weeks is justified.
You're the one defending the terrorists who knew Israel would take action. They have been known to either arm children or use them as martyrs. As the crazed terrorists went from home to home, one young couple hid their infant twins in their house right before they were ambushed, The twins survived.The so-called bombing of a hospital in Gaza was totally false yet how many sympathizers jumped on the bandwagon w/o out checking that source.
Btw, nobody has to defend Israel, God will. See whose side God was on in the wars against Israel since they were given their homeland back. The series Against All Odds, relives the divine help Israel got from God.
 

Fundaamental

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You're the one defending the terrorists who knew Israel would take action. They have been known to either arm children or use them as martyrs. As the crazed terrorists went from home to home, one young couple hid their infant twins in their house right before they were ambushed, The twins survived.The so-called bombing of a hospital in Gaza was totally false yet how many sympathizers jumped on the bandwagon w/o out checking that source.
Btw, nobody has to defend Israel, God will. See whose side God was on in the wars against Israel since they were given their homeland back. The series Against All Odds, relives the divine help Israel got from God.
Your not worth replying to
 

Gideon300

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Sorta like the holocaust all over again, huh? Germany didn't want the Jews, but neither did anywhere else.
No comparison whatsoever. Rome turned Israel into province after AD 135. Most Jews and Samaritans left for other countries, but not all. Jews have always lived in Israel. Arabs were not scattered to the ends of the earth. They have not faced 2,000 years of persecution. They have not been worked to death in concentration camps. They have not been herded like cattle into gas ovens. It is not Jews who formed a religion of death that threatens the peace of the whole world. You should try finding out the truth before commenting.
 

Gideon300

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your quote is just another biased social media quote , that has you believing like lot of people the death of 3000 children in 4 weeks is justified.
Every death or injury, all the suffering of Gazans and Israelis, is entirely the responsibility of Hamas. Even the Russians are not putting missile launchers in hospital car parks. They just attack civilian targets in Ukraine instead. I don't see a lot of outrage against that. Nobody marches in the streets in protest. You want to know why? The world hates Israel because it hates God. Israel is the visible evidence of God's power to keep His word.
 

Fundaamental

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Every death or injury, all the suffering of Gazans and Israelis, is entirely the responsibility of Hamas. Even the Russians are not putting missile launchers in hospital car parks. They just attack civilian targets in Ukraine instead. I don't see a lot of outrage against that. Nobody marches in the streets in protest. You want to know why? The world hates Israel because it hates God. Israel is the visible evidence of God's power to keep His word.
and what make you think I should believe someone like you, who happily just calls people names on the internet,

Or any other people replying in this thread who just issue justification after justification for there inappropriate behaviour
 

Fundaamental

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Yeah I am pretty dogmatic on Israel, terrorists and God's covenant love.
you still haven't established if I support terrorism or hamas or Isreal,

No what you've done is assumed and believed your assumption, and now your making your assumption your approval for being dogmatic, this is also how evil operates