Who is to blame for the latest Isreal Palestine war really ?

[Fundaamental]

Always best to see both biased views
OPINIONOPINION,
Opinions|Israel-Palestine conflict
This Israel has no future in the Middle East
The Gaza war may turn out to be the beginning of the end, but not for Palestine.

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  Marwan Bishara
  Senior political analyst at Al Jazeera.

Published On 24 Nov 202324 Nov 2023

Israeli soldiers manoeuver armored military vehicles along Israel's border with the Gaza Strip, in southern Israel, on Monday, Nov. 20, 2023 [AP Photo/Ohad Zwigenberg]
Israel’s sadistic war on Gaza, the culmination of a long series of criminal policies, may well prove suicidal in the long term and lead to the demise of the mighty “Jewish State”.
Indeed, Israel’s deliberate, industrial-scale murder of the Palestinian people under the pretext of “self-defence” won’t enhance its security or secure its future. Rather, it will produce greater insecurity and instability, further isolate Israel and undermine its chances for long-term survival in a predominantly hostile region.
In truth, I never thought Israel could have much of a future in the Middle East without shedding its colonial regime and embracing normal statehood. For a short while in the early 1990s, it seemed as if Israel was changing direction towards some form of normalcy, albeit dependent on the United States. It engaged the Palestinians and Arab states in the region in a “peace process” that promised mutual existence under favourable American auspices.

 

[ZNP]

latest reports from the media that a lot of of the Israeli population have turned on there leader and want the war stopped. Seeing absolutely no point in continuing

I'm pretty certain the Isreal people would be under the most biased view of them all but here we see even them wanting it to stop..

There social media would be like your views on why this war would continue. But today on BBC news showed many Israelis now against there leader for many reasons.

Israel is a democracy, if the majority want to stop then let them stop. I think 99% of the people in the US and Israel don't want war. But they also don't want terrorism, and they don't want a terrorist base next to where they live.

 

[Fundaamental]

Israel is a democracy, if the majority want to stop then let them stop. I think 99% of the people in the US and Israel don't want war. But they also don't want terrorism, and they don't want a terrorist base next to where they live.

who does but then this also could be a one sided biased view,

The terrorist who commited the act on October the 7th where only probably a handful of people.

 

[Fundaamental]

My take is

1. I hate war. I hate that we sent $140 billion + to Ukraine without an audit, without a debate, and then learned that billions came back secretly through FTX to pay for politicians to get elected who voted to send the money to Ukraine.

2. I hate terrorism. I think what took place on October 7th was despicable and should be clearly and emphatically condemned by everyone before they even debate anything else about this war.

3. I hate the fact that everyone is a liar, everyone has an agenda, everyone is pushing their narrative. Have the Israelis committed war crimes? Very likely. Has Hamas committed war crimes? Without any doubt. All of their missiles are "indiscriminate", terrorism is a war crime, hiding your identity in a war is a war crime, bases that are being protected by schools, hospitals or hostages is a war crime.

4. I want every crime prosecuted, I want them investigated, and I want the real people responsible held accountable. But I am not going to let Tik Tok, Youtube, Facebook or any other media make me biased on this issue. I have seen false flag events run by the US government. JFK, 911, Gulf of Tonkin, WMD's, Governor Whitmer kidnapping, and January 6th. Not about to be manipulated by the CIA, or Mossad, or the Arabs or the Muslim Brotherhood. I am a patient person, I was attacked and insulted and ridiculed for standing with Trump in 2020, but the truth comes out. I was attacked and insulted and ridiculed for saying Fauci was a liar and I didn't trust the vaccine in 2021, but the truth comes out. I don't mind waiting a few years for the truth to come out.

5. I am not interested in people who threaten the genocide of the Jews crying about how they want a cease fire. A cease fire does not mean an end to the bloodshed. If that were true this battle between Palestinians and Israelis would have ended in 1947. They have repeatedly organized sneak attacks on the Israelis (1967, 1983, and 2023). As far as I am concerned I support this war putting an end to that once and for all.

6. When I was growing up, if someone started a fight with you, then you had the right to end it. Hamas started this and Israel has the right to end it.

I agree with a lot of these views.
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At the moment tho I'm debating whether there is some secret war mongering force at play claiming to be hamas and Isreal none of these wars makes sense friend

 

[Magenta]

What the internet is doing can be seen in GPS. Prior to GPS you had to have a map and you had to know how to read that map, now everyone relies on GPS, no one has maps, no one sells maps, and no one can read a map.

Likewise no one keeps a journal, no one reads a newspaper, and you don't buy books on paper anymore. All this digital stuff could be changed overnight without anyone knowing. Dictators have always tried to "rewrite" history. Now that everyone is fully online it will be a snap for them to rewrite the history.

I do not rely on GPS. I don't even have it. People still journal. And buy books.

 

[ZNP]

I agree with a lot of these views.
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At the moment tho I'm debating whether there is some secret war mongering force at play claiming to be hamas and Isreal none of these wars makes sense friend

Why debate? We have the word of God, it promises that everything said in secret would be made plain and shouted from the housetop. So, pray according to the word of God that any "secret war" would be made plain and revealed to all.

 

[Fundaamental]

Why debate? We have the word of God, it promises that everything said in secret would be made plain and shouted from the housetop. So, pray according to the word of God that any "secret war" would be made plain and revealed to all.

I need to talk about this stuff I guess. I have friends afflicted by wars with mental scars.

 

[ZNP]

I do not rely on GPS. I don't even have it. People still journal. And buy books.

I agree, but basically those who do started prior to GPS and prior to these digital books you can download to a device.

Imagine a child who is in fourth grade and now has free unlimited access to ChatGPT so he starts using that to do his homework. Any question, any essay, just ask ChatGPT and then cut and paste the answer.

Now imagine they use this for the next 12 years in elementary school, JHS, HS and college. How dependent will they be on AI? Maybe there will be some kids who are homeschooled who actually write their own reports, their own essays and can do critical thinking for themselves. Maybe. But in 12 years know that the vast majority, 80-90% will be using AI for everything.

I remember when you were not allowed to use a calculator on an exam. You watch, in the next few years they will allow you to use AI on exams. After all if you have neuralink. how can they stop you. Their will be devices like eyeglasses that will make it impossible to stop kids from using AI, and so to be "fair" everyone will be able to use it.

Already teachers are using AI to grade papers. In 12 years AI will be the arbiter of truth. You think people are mindless drones now, just give them 12 years.

 

[ZNP]

I need to talk about this stuff I guess. I have friends afflicted by wars with mental scars.

Pray for their healing.

 

[Fundaamental]

Pray for their healing.

i have its also what I'm witnessing on the news is causing me unrest every day.

I can't understand how this can just be allowed to continue my gut tells me the leaders of this world must be doing it for satan.

The whole thing is messing with my head.

I don't want to think our UK leaders and USA leader are evil.

As I use to support them in every war

But it's ripping my heart apart theese days

 

[Moses_Young]

latest reports from the media that a lot of of the Israeli population have turned on there leader and want the war stopped. Seeing absolutely no point in continuing

I'm pretty certain the Isreal people would be under the most biased view of them all but here we see even them wanting it to stop..

There social media would be like your views on why this war would continue. But today on BBC news showed many Israelis now against there leader for many reasons.

Netanyahu wasn't popular - that's why he permitted (or even perhaps helped facilitate) "Israel's 911". Unlike the real 911, though, this one has backfired and most have seen it for what it was - an attempt by a tyrant to cling to power and further his own bloody agenda. I will not be too surprised to see Netanyahu later face a war crimes tribunal, and if he does, I believe he may get what he (and many like-minded criminals) have long deserved.

I believe Netanyahu is possibly [DS] - trying to ignite a World War as so many [DS] crimes come to light is certainly in the interests of the international war criminals, who stand to be condemned if justice is carried out for their crimes.

 

[Fundaamental]

Netanyahu wasn't popular - that's why he permitted (or even perhaps helped facilitate) "Israel's 911". Unlike the real 911, though, this one has backfired and most have seen it for what it was - an attempt by a tyrant to cling to power and further his own bloody agenda. I will not be too surprised to see Netanyahu later face a war crimes tribunal, and if he does, I believe he may get what he (and many like-minded criminals) have long deserved.

I believe Netanyahu is possibly [DS] - trying to ignite a World War as so many [DS] crimes come to light is certainly in the interests of the international war criminals, who stand to be condemned if justice is carried out for their crimes.

you know when he was talking about his reason for this war live on air I felt like he was doing it just to win people over to gain votes.

I'm sure that's what he was thinking. I'm not sure if you've read his mind also.

 

[Moses_Young]

you know when he was talking about his reason for this war live on air I felt like he was doing it just to win people over to gain votes.

I'm sure that's what he was thinking. I'm not sure if you've read his mind also.

I can't read the minds of snakes, but I think people have simply become more aware of the tricks government uses to control them. Then at the end when the damage is done and the truth is revealed, the said government culprit washes his hands without being held to account and is replaced by the next puppet (you previously gave the example of Tony Blair and the non-existent weapons of mass destruction).

I think enough people are aware now of the strategy for Netanyahu's trick not to work on them, and I hope he's going to be very disappointed at his war crimes tribunal.

 

[Fundaamental]

I can't read the minds of snakes, but I think people have simply become more aware of the tricks government uses to control them. Then at the end when the damage is done and the truth is revealed, the said government culprit washes his hands without being held to account and is replaced by the next puppet (you previously gave the example of Tony Blair and the non-existent weapons of mass destruction).

I think enough people are aware now of the strategy for Netanyahu's trick not to work on them, and I hope he's going to be very disappointed at his war crimes tribunal.

I don't think any country holding nuclear power have been convicted of war crimes have they, of course they have bern accused many in the same way they have accused others.

But the only countries holding weapons of mass destruction are the countries who are accusing others of having them,

I mean if they disagree with weapons of mass destruction so much why don't they all get rid of them including Russia

Reports of a Christian church and a refuge camp being bombed in Gazza now.

 

[Fundaamental]

Yes, yes, always funny when the mental Fundy repeatedly insults others, but quick to take
offense and complain when others insult you. Why? Because you are a hypocrite, obviously.

how about thunder mental then I get to light you up like a Christmas tree 😇😇😇😇😇😇

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

The USA defense secretary speaking publicly in Isreal has just publicly just said the best way forward is two state solution, any ideas anyone have our prayers been answered 🤔

 

[ZNP]

The USA defense secretary speaking publicly in Isreal has just publicly just said the best way forward is two state solution, any ideas anyone have our prayers been answered 🤔

depends on what you have been praying for

 

[Cameron143]

The USA defense secretary speaking publicly in Isreal has just publicly just said the best way forward is two state solution, any ideas anyone have our prayers been answered 🤔

It won't happen. At least not until Hamas rescinds it's goal of eradicating the Jewish people.
Was this called for?

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

It won't happen. At least not until Hamas rescinds it's goal of eradicating the Jewish people.
Was this called for?

the defense secretary seemed very serious to me, like it was said with an ultimatum 🤔

 

[Cameron143]

the defense secretary seemed very serious to me, like it was said with an ultimatum 🤔

Did he call for Hamas to rescind their stated goal of the annihilation of Jews? If not, he can beat his chest all day long, but nothing will come of it.
If your neighbor had as his stated goal killing you, do you think a 2 yard policy will work?