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Should non-citizens... illegals of USA be able to vote and decide an American Citizens Constitution


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cobalt1959

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I'd rather sound like I was still in HS (that means High School) than to begrudge the right to protest many questionable deaths.
Please demonstrate which deaths you are talking about that are "questionable." We know, concretely, from statistics that the narrative that the left continually uses to foment civil disobedience within the black community, i.e. the police target blacks and then just shoot them randomly is false. The left portrayed people like Michael Brown, and Freddy Gray, etc. as innocent angels who were just standing on a street corner eating a Popsicle and a policeman just walked up and shot them. Michael Brown and his friend were told to get out of the middle of the street. If they'd just done that, the officer would have moved on and nothing else would have happened. But Brown had just stolen some merchandise from a convenience store and assaulted the clerk there. But Wilson knew nothing about that. Didn't much matter, because Michael Brown charged the SUV Wilson was in, struggled for Wilson's gun and managed to shoot himself in the thumb with it. At that point he ran away from the SUV. Wilson told Brown to stop, and he did not, initially. But he turned around and charged Wilson and it was at that point he got shot. There was never, ever the "hands up, don't shoot" scenario that was floated by the media. That isn't what the eye witnesses said, and the Grand Jury didn't find that scenario to be true either. Somehow, Freddy Gray was injured in the back of the police van on his way to the station because he hadn't been secured properly, but that was not done to purposely harm him. The Baltimore prosecuter used this death to try and get Baltimore burned to the ground. 99% of the time a person, regardless of their race, is going to be shot by a police officer because they did not comply with their orders. That has nothing to do with race. The fact is, if a policeman gives you an order and you decide to not obey it and then try to run or attack the officer, you may well get shot. And a person who attacks a police officer should never be allowed to just run away afterwords. A person who is so calloused that they will attack a police officer presents a much higher clear and present danger to the public than a normal person.

As for the sarcastic high school comment, it kind of loses it's impact when you text speak it first and then demonstrate that you can spell it out completely. I have no problem with words that are often and consistently abbreviated, or initials are used in their place, like "HS." But use "b" in place of "be?" Really? It takes that long to add the extra "e"to the word?
 

cobalt1959

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#62
Gerrymandering has been around since the beginning of time in America. It’s not been invented by the left or by the right.
The statement was meant as hyperbole.
 
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Just search 'hate groups' in US, there are over 900 and in Israel there are groups keeping tack of hate groups all over the world. Good nite.
Yep lots of hate groups ... Christians, evangelicals, etc.
Many of these "hate groups" are really not hateful at all but the total opposite.

Meanwhile, they don't have Islam or LBGT on the "hate group" list despite being some of the worst offenders with Islam having literal genocide as I write this and beheading of Christians daily.
 

tourist

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Should non-citizens... illegals of USA be able to vote and decide an American Citizens Constitutional Rights?

If not would you still vote Democrat? Why?
Actually, it would be a waste of time as to establish constitutional rights for a non-citizen would require amending the constitution. You cannot amend the constitution simply by voting. Regardless, non-citizens have only the rights already established and are not, and should not, be allowed to vote for this or any other thing. Voting is a privilege and not a right that is reserved exclusively for American citizens that are qualified, per the constitution, to vote.
 

tourist

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Did you actually live through the Carter administration?

Well I did. And even as a teen not knowing or caring about squat I knew the country was in a very bad place.

Interest rates above 20%, giving away the Panama Canal, making America look like fools in the Iran hostage crises just to name a few of low lights from him.

WHO CARES IF HE COMES OFF AS DECENT! All that matters is his policies and accomplishments were horrible.

But we can thank him for 2 Ronald Reagan landslides, just as we can thank Obama for Trump.
I was 18 when I first voted and Carter was the first president that I voted for. What can I say, I was young, foolish and had no concept of Democrat or Republican values. He was also the last Democrat that I voted for president. Worse president ever, even worse than Hoover.
 

TabinRivCA

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Funny. You pull Jimmy Carter out of a hat as a good candidate, but in a post lower in this thread you claim Trump is anti-Semitic even though I've never heard him say anything anti-Semitic. Jimmy Carter is openly, and unashamedly anti-Semitic. So, evidently, it's OK to be anti-Semitic, which the majority of the DNC actually is, but not OK for other people. That's a big Double Standard right there. By your own standards, Jimmy Carter isn't an acceptable candidate.

Of course, he has more problems than that. I too lived through his botched presidency and watched him fumble the ball time and again when it came to the hostage crisis in Iran. Then he had the nerve to go on TV and apologize to the entire country for having the nerve to try and rescue our own citizens being held illegally in another country. In an attempt that failed because of Carters ineptitude. Carter openly supports terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah. Carter says Jesus would approve of gay marriage and he's really wishy-washy when it comes to the in-errancy of scripture. A better candidate? Compared to what?
By your standards do you REALLY approve of some things Trump has done. I can pick out good things as well as terrible to obscene things some Presidents has done.
Never said Trump is ant-Semitic, you said it.
 

TabinRivCA

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Please demonstrate which deaths you are talking about that are "questionable." We know, concretely, from statistics that the narrative that the left continually uses to foment civil disobedience within the black community, i.e. the police target blacks and then just shoot them randomly is false. The left portrayed people like Michael Brown, and Freddy Gray, etc. as innocent angels who were just standing on a street corner eating a Popsicle and a policeman just walked up and shot them. Michael Brown and his friend were told to get out of the middle of the street. If they'd just done that, the officer would have moved on and nothing else would have happened. But Brown had just stolen some merchandise from a convenience store and assaulted the clerk there. But Wilson knew nothing about that. Didn't much matter, because Michael Brown charged the SUV Wilson was in, struggled for Wilson's gun and managed to shoot himself in the thumb with it. At that point he ran away from the SUV. Wilson told Brown to stop, and he did not, initially. But he turned around and charged Wilson and it was at that point he got shot. There was never, ever the "hands up, don't shoot" scenario that was floated by the media. That isn't what the eye witnesses said, and the Grand Jury didn't find that scenario to be true either. Somehow, Freddy Gray was injured in the back of the police van on his way to the station because he hadn't been secured properly, but that was not done to purposely harm him. The Baltimore prosecuter used this death to try and get Baltimore burned to the ground. 99% of the time a person, regardless of their race, is going to be shot by a police officer because they did not comply with their orders. That has nothing to do with race. The fact is, if a policeman gives you an order and you decide to not obey it and then try to run or attack the officer, you may well get shot. And a person who attacks a police officer should never be allowed to just run away afterwords. A person who is so calloused that they will attack a police officer presents a much higher clear and present danger to the public than a normal person.

As for the sarcastic high school comment, it kind of loses it's impact when you text speak it first and then demonstrate that you can spell it out completely. I have no problem with words that are often and consistently abbreviated, or initials are used in their place, like "HS." But use "b" in place of "be?" Really? It takes that long to add the extra "e"to the word?
If you're too lazy to look up some of the grave injustices, don't ask me to. You just touched the surface and in a prejudiced way.
 

cobalt1959

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By your standards do you REALLY approve of some things Trump has done. I can pick out good things as well as terrible to obscene things some Presidents has done.
Never said Trump is ant-Semitic, you said it.
You said this:

If you go to any of these hate sites, they are pro-Trump, anti-Sematic, racist and are collecting arms like crazy.
You attempt to tie Trump with anti-Semitics. Trump did not invent the alt. right. He didn't invent neo-nazis or biker gangs. And as I have already stated, despite your attempts to claim these groups were poised to commit violence at the behest of Trump, the concept is laughable because biker gangs and neo-nazi groups continue to exist, but they are a minuscule percentage of the population and they haven't been violent in any way for decades. And they will not suddenly become violent in the future. The groups you seem to champion are violent, and they are violent often whether their chosen targets are the ones they claim to be against or not. Anyone available gets thumped. If you think Antifa or Black lives Matter are justified in their existence then you are an advocate for violence and rioting. And while the right does not encourage biker gangs and neo-nazis to go out and commit violence, the left does so with Antifa and BLM, and so does the main stream media. They praise them for doing so. So you tell me which side are the real hypocrites.

To hear the left talk, and empty-headed celebrities, the United States was instantly going to be propelled backward into the Antibellum South. The only things that have actually changed is the economy is improving and at least part of the White House is attempting to actually enforce immigration laws and not allow an unchecked influx of law-breaking illegals into the country. but he hasn't repealed the Affordable Care Act like he promised and that means that until he does so, he's a promise-breaker.

I am not a Trump supporter. I didn't vote for him and I am not attempting to defending him. I am pointing out the hypocrisy and duplicitous nature of Progressiveness which is selfish, evil and amoral to it's very core.
 

cobalt1959

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If you're too lazy to look up some of the grave injustices, don't ask me to. You just touched the surface and in a prejudiced way.
It doesn't work that way. If you're going to claim that there are all these "injustices" that make these valid groups, then you also have to be able to give me examples of these injustices that support your claim, or it's just talk. I gave you the two examples that are used by the BLM movement as their cornerstones and why the entire movement is built on a lie and the people involved know it's a lie. Of course, actually dealing with these cornerstone cases of Brown and Gray would make it difficult to justify the "moral outrage" these people claim to have because neither one of those cases were a police officer just randomly killing a black person who was simply minding their own business. I do research on countless issues daily, and I've done plenty of research on this particular issue, so laziness doesn't figure into it. You don't get to skate on the issue when you pop out a generalized statement but fail to provide any proof that it is actually true. When someone gives a response to a post like the one above, it's usually because they are unable to back up their statement with any hard facts or information.
 

TabinRivCA

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It doesn't work that way. If you're going to claim that there are all these "injustices" that make these valid groups, then you also have to be able to give me examples of these injustices that support your claim, or it's just talk. I gave you the two examples that are used by the BLM movement as their cornerstones and why the entire movement is built on a lie and the people involved know it's a lie. Of course, actually dealing with these cornerstone cases of Brown and Gray would make it difficult to justify the "moral outrage" these people claim to have because neither one of those cases were a police officer just randomly killing a black person who was simply minding their own business. I do research on countless issues daily, and I've done plenty of research on this particular issue, so laziness doesn't figure into it. You don't get to skate on the issue when you pop out a generalized statement but fail to provide any proof that it is actually true. When someone gives a response to a post like the one above, it's usually because they are unable to back up their statement with any hard facts or information.
I wonder if you think Sandra Bland really hung herself I jail, or if she was lynched. There's a timeline on Buzzfeed of just some shot by police, and I don't know yet how to copy that to here.
I'm dropping this now, time will tell what's going on and thank God He's in control.
 

TabinRivCA

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You said this:



You attempt to tie Trump with anti-Semitics. Trump did not invent the alt. right. He didn't invent neo-nazis or biker gangs. And as I have already stated, despite your attempts to claim these groups were poised to commit violence at the behest of Trump, the concept is laughable because biker gangs and neo-nazi groups continue to exist, but they are a minuscule percentage of the population and they haven't been violent in any way for decades. And they will not suddenly become violent in the future. The groups you seem to champion are violent, and they are violent often whether their chosen targets are the ones they claim to be against or not. Anyone available gets thumped. If you think Antifa or Black lives Matter are justified in their existence then you are an advocate for violence and rioting. And while the right does not encourage biker gangs and neo-nazis to go out and commit violence, the left does so with Antifa and BLM, and so does the main stream media. They praise them for doing so. So you tell me which side are the real hypocrites.

To hear the left talk, and empty-headed celebrities, the United States was instantly going to be propelled backward into the Antibellum South. The only things that have actually changed is the economy is improving and at least part of the White House is attempting to actually enforce immigration laws and not allow an unchecked influx of law-breaking illegals into the country. but he hasn't repealed the Affordable Care Act like he promised and that means that until he does so, he's a promise-breaker.

I am not a Trump supporter. I didn't vote for him and I am not attempting to defending him. I am pointing out the hypocrisy and duplicitous nature of Progressiveness which is selfish, evil and amoral to it's very core.
Last explanation. You do notice, right, I said 'they are racist, anti-Semitic......' , I didn't say Trump was.
Trump DID say to Breitbart, 'things will get very, very bad if his supporters among the military, police and bikers are pushed too far'.
Have you ever visited 'Jew-Watch'?
I'm done here and thank you for your perspective.
 

memyselfi

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Trump's son-in-law is Jewish and I'm 1/2 Jewish so what? Who said anything about guns, I'm all for gun ownership and I think there should b a simple background check.
Oh if you mean my stmt about certain hate group compiling guns, you have no idea.
Trump's daughter is a converted Jew, so any grandchildren are Jews. How can you be a 1/2 Jew? Is you father 100% and mother converted?

Yes, your statement is what I was referring to.... What about criminals have guns anyway? Your right the hate groups, like Muslims that us Americans...
 

cobalt1959

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Last explanation. You do notice, right, I said 'they are racist, anti-Semitic......' , I didn't say Trump was.
Trump DID say to Breitbart, 'things will get very, very bad if his supporters among the military, police and bikers are pushed too far'.
Have you ever visited 'Jew-Watch'?
I'm done here and thank you for your perspective.
You continually tie those groups to Trump, as if he is encouraging them. I've never seen him do that and even in what you claimed he said above there isn't a clear declaration of mobilizing anyone to commit acts of violence.

What does Jew Watch have to do with anything?
Trump's daughter is a converted Jew, so any grandchildren are Jews. How can you be a 1/2 Jew? Is you father 100% and mother converted?

Yes, your statement is what I was referring to.... What about criminals have guns anyway? Your right the hate groups, like Muslims that us Americans...
Being Jewish is not just religion. One can, racially, be a Jew, or 1/2 Jew without practicing Judaism. No different than being 1/2 Hispanic, or Black or Asian, or any other religion. That aspect has nothing to do with one's religion.
 
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Susanna

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You continually tie those groups to Trump, as if he is encouraging them. I've never seen him do that and even in what you claimed he said above there isn't a clear declaration of mobilizing anyone to commit acts of violence.
It doesn’t need to be clear. #45 has had a lot of shady statements, been hailing shady characters, been overall shady in his description of a grand wizard, he has suggested that law enforcers will resort to violence and by that violate the Constitution, he’s been shady about the truth, and etc etc etc.

You are free to be in denial about this, but what occurs to me as being your biased opinion can’t change that he, in fact, has done many things that are shady, at best.

The question is: why is it okay that he is acting the part of a thug when it obviously isn’t okay when others do?
 

memyselfi

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You continually tie those groups to Trump, as if he is encouraging them. I've never seen him do that and even in what you claimed he said above there isn't a clear declaration of mobilizing anyone to commit acts of violence.

What does Jew Watch have to do with anything?


Being Jewish is not just religion. One can, racially, be a Jew, or 1/2 Jew without practicing Judaism. No different than being 1/2 Hispanic, or Black or Asian, or any other religion. That aspect has nothing to do with one's religion.
That is true so there is no such thing as a 1/2 Jew.
 
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7seasrekeyed

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You asked what hate groups, that's why. Exactly, one person's hate group is another ones truth group. You'd have to visit some of the sites I saw to get it.

well no thanks

I don't believe in lending my head to the brainwashers :rolleyes:
 
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7seasrekeyed

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all these anti-Trump statements

you cannot force feed anyone the truth

too bad.