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fredoheaven

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Sir, fredoheaven bago ko masagot ang tanong mo. Maitanong ko munna sayo, kung alam mo ba tungkol sa mga prophetic blessings sa lipi ng Israel mula pa nagsimula kay Abraham at Jacob? at ang tungkol rin sa prophetic blessings and curse kay Ismael? Ang huling tanong ang kahulugan nga dalawang Beast at ang Image ng Beast na nasa book of Revelation?
Hi just truth,
I was just only interested on knowing your belief on deep escathology since it was you that posted we can learn from. Though this is not intended to me directly, your post is a public. Anyway this is an off topic perhaps you can create another thread or still encourage you to share in the bdf what is that deep escathology.
Salamat just truth
 
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Hi just truth,
I was just only interested on knowing your belief on deep escathology since it was you that posted we can learn from. Though this is not intended to me directly, your post is a public. Anyway this is an off topic perhaps you can create another thread or still encourage you to share in the bdf what is that deep escathology.
Salamat just truth
fredoheaven not really deep escathology, what I really mean something a rare subject falls under escathology, particularly what be the role of USA together with the nation Israel in this last days base on Bible prophecies. This thing I would like to discuss with jameen, because jameen see USA as antagonist while I see USA as protagonist. That I would like to emphasize this matter to all Anti-America like jameen, that USA is not a villain.
fredoheaven I am not interested to create another thread about this matter, anybody can answer my questions lately just to continue the discussion on this... Seems parang naglaho na si jameen
 
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And why will China give a lot of financial aid when that country knows that our gov't officials will only steal it.

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jameen are you the spokesman of China republic?
 

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fredoheaven not really deep escathology, what I really mean something a rare subject falls under escathology, particularly what be the role of USA together with the nation Israel in this last days base on Bible prophecies. This thing I would like to discuss with jameen, because jameen see USA as antagonist while I see USA as protagonist. That I would like to emphasize this matter to all Anti-America like jameen, that USA is not a villain.
fredoheaven I am not interested to create another thread about this matter, anybody can answer my questions lately just to continue the discussion on this... Seems parang naglaho na si jameen
Hi Just truth,

Okay, you did really explained that deep eschatology as is not really is. Moving on, I am a pro Filipino neither I would say that USA is a villain but still as a real Christian, we need to pray for our nation and our president and that is the main dish of this OP. I simply asked your stand regards to Bible prophecy and that's all. I am not a political analyst here but simply a bible believer who loves our country.

God bless
 
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Hi Just truth,

Okay, you did really explained that deep eschatology as is not really is. Moving on, I am a pro Filipino neither I would say that USA is a villain but still as a real Christian, we need to pray for our nation and our president and that is the main dish of this OP. I simply asked your stand regards to Bible prophecy and that's all. I am not a political analyst here but simply a bible believer who loves our country.

God bless
Okay fredoheaven, to begin of explaining my stand on Bible prophecy particularly pertaining to the US and nation of Israel. Let me ask you first, are you aware of the dual prophetic blessings of the 12 tribes Israel? Also about the lost ten tribes of Israel?
 

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Okay fredoheaven, to begin of explaining my stand on Bible prophecy particularly pertaining to the US and nation of Israel. Let me ask you first, are you aware of the dual prophetic blessings of the 12 tribes Israel? Also about the lost ten tribes of Israel?
Hi just truth,

It you want to say something on Bible Prophecy then go on, you may now proceed, you have all the space now.

Thanks
 
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Hi just truth,

It you want to say something on Bible Prophecy then go on, you may now proceed, you have all the space now.

Thanks
To begin with, allow me first to give the following TIPS and FEATURES on my explanation of the Bible prophecy regarding the said subject, as follows:

1.) A separate great blessings of the 12 children of Israel, the Birthright of Joseph and the Sceptre of Judah.

2.) The Birthright was the original blessings of Abraham from God given to Jacob that change his name Israel.

WHAT IS BIRTHRIGHT – base on scriptures, it is status and the right to inherit his father what God’s bestow/estate accompanied with a greatest blessings of material prosperity.

3.) The "United Kingdom of Israel" later split into two kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom.

4.) The Northern Kingdom also known as the Kingdom of Joseph retained/brought the name the "Kingdom of Israel", while the Southern Kingdom which called the Kingdom of Judah.

5.) The Northern Kingdom are the Ten Tribes of Israel the descendants of Reuben, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim, Manasseh and Levi.

6.) While the Southern Kingdom are only 2 tribes of Israel of the descendants of Judah and Benjamin but later the descendants of Levi joined them.

7.) In Old Testament scriptures, the Northern Kingdom is specifically referred/called as Israel, while the Southern Kingdom was specifically called the Jews.

8.) In 721 B.C the Northern Kingdom falls when Assyria swept out and took the ten tribes into captivity. From there they never return and became lost to history. BUT TAKE NOTE, THE BIRTHRIGHT BLESSINGS WILL NOT BE LOST ALSO IN HISTORY.

9.) In AD 70 the full siege of Jerusalem, Jews scattered, out of their ancestral homeland (the Land of Israel) and their subsequent settlement in other parts of the globe.

10.) The Second Beast looks a Lamb with two horns in the book of Revelation is the apostate great kingdom of Israel(after the Rapture) .
 
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Hi just truth,

It you want to say something on Bible Prophecy then go on, you may now proceed, you have all the space now.

Thanks
To begin with, allow me first to give the following TIPS and FEATURES on my explanation of the Bible prophecy regarding the said subject, as follows:

1.) A separate great blessings of the 12 children of Israel, the Birthright of Joseph and the Sceptre of Judah.

2.) The Birthright was the original blessings of Abraham from God given to Jacob that change his name Israel.

WHAT IS BIRTHRIGHT – base on scriptures, it is status and the right to inherit his father what God’s bestow/estate accompanied with a greatest blessings of material prosperity.

3.) The "United Kingdom of Israel" later split into two kingdoms, the Northern Kingdom and the Southern Kingdom.

4.) The Northern Kingdom also known as the Kingdom of Joseph retained/brought the name the "Kingdom of Israel", while the Southern Kingdom which called the Kingdom of Judah.

5.) The Northern Kingdom are the Ten Tribes of Israel the descendants of Reuben, Issachar, Zebulun, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Ephraim, Manasseh and Levi.

6.) While the Southern Kingdom are only 2 tribes of Israel of the descendants of Judah and Benjamin but later the descendants of Levi joined them.

7.) In Old Testament scriptures, the Northern Kingdom is specifically referred/called as Israel, while the Southern Kingdom was specifically called the Jews.

8.) In 721 B.C the Northern Kingdom falls when Assyria swept out and took the ten tribes into captivity. From there they never return and became lost to history. In fulfillment of the prophecy in Deut. 32:26…‘I will scatter them into corners, I will make the remembrance of them to cease from among men’.

BUT TAKE NOTE, THE 'BIRTHRIGHT' BLESSINGS WILL NOT BE LOST ALSO IN HISTORY.

9.) In AD 70 the full siege of Jerusalem, Jews scattered, out of their ancestral homeland (the Land of Israel) and their subsequent settlement in other parts of the globe.

10.) The rise of power of Britain and US, their great role of the creation United Nations and return of the Jews of the nation Israel

11.) The establishment of the Jewish state in 1948.

12.) The Second Beast looks a Lamb with two horns in the book of Revelation is the apostate great kingdom of Israel(after the Rapture) .
 

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nd Beast looks a Lamb with two horns in the book of Revelation is the apostate great kingdom of Israel(after the Rapture) .
Well, there are many views of the second Beast and according to you it is the apostate great kingdom of Israel(after the Rapture). Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD identified it to the American Nation.

There is only one nation that qualifies to be the second beast, based on the criteria mentioned in this passage. The power described would have to become a mighty nation in order to exercise authority over all the nations of the world. It had to have arisen out of an unoccupied territory, because it was "coming up out of the earth," or the opposite of the sea, which symbolizes occupation of many nations and languages.
As seen in the passage above, the power would have lamb-like qualities, but would speak like a dragon. This means that the nation must have attributes of Christ, but that it would relinquish these in favor of attributes of the dragon. Only America Qualifies…”
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_beasts_Revelation_horns_dragon

While many believe the second beast is a religious leader/ personality, a false prophet. The second beast is described in Revelation 13:11-18 and is also referred to as the false prophet.

Now regarding your view, would you mind to expound further why it is the apostate great kingdom of Israel as the second beast? If possible please back up with scriptures with this position. Also, you talked about rapture, when is that rapture will occur?

Thanks
 
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Well, there are many views of the second Beast and according to you it is the apostate great kingdom of Israel(after the Rapture). Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD identified it to the American Nation.

There is only one nation that qualifies to be the second beast, based on the criteria mentioned in this passage. The power described would have to become a mighty nation in order to exercise authority over all the nations of the world. It had to have arisen out of an unoccupied territory, because it was "coming up out of the earth," or the opposite of the sea, which symbolizes occupation of many nations and languages.
As seen in the passage above, the power would have lamb-like qualities, but would speak like a dragon. This means that the nation must have attributes of Christ, but that it would relinquish these in favor of attributes of the dragon. Only America Qualifies…”
http://amazingdiscoveries.org/S-deception_beasts_Revelation_horns_dragon

While many believe the second beast is a religious leader/ personality, a false prophet. The second beast is described in Revelation 13:11-18 and is also referred to as the false prophet.

Now regarding your view, would you mind to expound further why it is the apostate great kingdom of Israel as the second beast? If possible please back up with scriptures with this position. Also, you talked about rapture, when is that rapture will occur?

Thanks
Wow! fredoheaven, we can come closer base on your presented references. Yes, the Second Beast is really the America or USA including Britain because it is two horns. Horns biblically represent kings or nations. Why I said it is the apostate kingdom of Israel because the Britain and US is in this last days the continuation of the lost Northern Kingdom/Kingdom of Joseph specifically known the Kingdom of Israel of OT that inherited the BIRTHRIGHT blessings, and yes US and Britain only qualifies the fulfillment of great prosperity brought by the said BIRTRIGHT blessings.

I know some will react to this negatively, but I am ready to defend scripturally.
Anyway, what is the interpretation of Professor Walter J. Veith to the First Beast and the Image of the Beast?
 
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USA not yet a villain as of now, but after the Rapture USA will not be thesame in picture.
 

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Wow! fredoheaven, we can come closer base on your presented references. Yes, the Second Beast is really the America or USA including Britain because it is two horns. Horns biblically represent kings or nations. Why I said it is the apostate kingdom of Israel because the Britain and US is in this last days the continuation of the lost Northern Kingdom/Kingdom of Joseph specifically known the Kingdom of Israel of OT that inherited the BIRTHRIGHT blessings, and yes US and Britain only qualifies the fulfillment of great prosperity brought by the said BIRTRIGHT blessings.

I know some will react to this negatively, but I am ready to defend scripturally.
Anyway, what is the interpretation of Professor Walter J. Veith to the First Beast and the Image of the Beast?
I am not being dogmatic here but the second Beast, I believe refers to the False Prophet as this can be proven scripturally. While some had identified to extend that this false prophet may come from the Roman See. Chuck Porrit has an interesting view as he dissects the scriptures proving that the 2nd Beast may come from Rome. Even Alberto Rivera (if you know him) believed that it will the Roman Church that would arise the second Beast.

http://www.secondtree.net/2_prophec...MItNr8jL2-2wIVhoWPCh359gViEAAYAiAAEgL94fD_BwE

Anyway may I know why you now supported the Am-Brit Beast?

Thanks,
 

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Here is also an interesting article from Got your Question?
Question: "Who is the false prophet of the end times?"

Answer:
The false prophet of the end times is described in Revelation 13:11-15. He is also referred to as the “second beast” (Revelation 16:13, 19:20, 20:10). Together with the Antichrist and Satan, who empowers both of them, the false prophet is the third party in the unholy trinity.

The apostle John describes this person and gives us clues to identifying him when he shows up. First, he comes out of the earth. This could mean he comes up from the pit of hell with all the demonic powers of hell at his command. It could also mean he comes from lowly circumstances, secret and unknown until he bursts on the world stage at the right hand of the Antichrist. He is depicted as having horns like a lamb, while speaking like a dragon. The horns on lambs are merely small bumps on their heads until the lamb grows into a ram. Rather than having the Antichrist’s multiplicity of heads and horns, showing his power and might and fierceness, the false prophet comes like a lamb, winsomely, with persuasive words that elicit sympathy and good will from others. He may be an extraordinary preacher or orator whose demonically empowered words will deceive the multitudes. But he speaks like a dragon, which means his message is the message of a dragon. Revelation 12:9identifies the dragon as the devil and Satan.

Verse 12 gives us the false prophet’s mission on earth, which is to force humanity to worship the Antichrist. He has all the authority of the Antichrist because, like him, the false prophet is empowered by Satan. It is not clear whether people are forced to worship the Antichrist or whether they are so enamored of these powerful beings that they fall for the deception and worship him willingly. The fact that the second beast uses miraculous signs and wonders, including fire from heaven, to establish the credibility of both of them would seem to indicate that people will fall before them in adoration of their power and message. Verse 14 goes on to say the deception will be so great that the people will set up an idol to the Antichrist, "the image of the beast," and worship it. This is reminiscent of the huge golden image of Nebuchadnezzar (Daniel 3) before which all were to bow down and pay homage. Revelation 14:9-11, however, describes the ghastly fate that awaits those who worship the image of the Antichrist.

Those who survive the terrors of the tribulation to this point will be faced with two hard choices. Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will be subject to death (Revelation 14:15), but those who do worship him will incur the wrath of God. The image will be extraordinary in that it will be able to “speak.” Whatever the image is (a statue? a hologram? an android? a human-animal hybrid? a clone?), it will have some kind of ability to breathe forth the message of the Antichrist and the false prophet. Along with being the spokesman for them, the image will condemn to death those who refuse to worship the unholy pair. In our technological world, it is not hard to imagine such a scenario.

Whoever the false prophet turns out to be, the final world deception and the final apostasy will be great, and the whole world will be caught up in it. The deceivers and false teachers we see today are the forerunners of the Antichrist and the false prophet, and we must not be deceived by them. These false teachers abound, and they are moving us toward a final satanic kingdom. We must faithfully proclaim the saving gospel of Jesus Christ and rescue the souls of men and women from the coming disaster.
 

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2.) The Birthright was the original blessings of Abraham from God given to Jacob that change his name Israel.


WHAT IS BIRTHRIGHT – base on scriptures, it is status and the right to inherit his father what God’s bestow/estate accompanied with a greatest blessings of material prosperity.
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And who has the right to receive the birthright?
 
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I am not being dogmatic here but the second Beast, I believe refers to the False Prophet as this can be proven scripturally. While some had identified to extend that this false prophet may come from the Roman See. Chuck Porrit has an interesting view as he dissects the scriptures proving that the 2nd Beast may come from Rome. Even Alberto Rivera (if you know him) believed that it will the Roman Church that would arise the second Beast.

http://www.secondtree.net/2_prophec...MItNr8jL2-2wIVhoWPCh359gViEAAYAiAAEgL94fD_BwE

Anyway may I know why you now supported the Am-Brit Beast?

Thanks,
fredoheaven the Beast scripturally represents a KINGDOM since from the Daniel prophecy. I am not convince it is a False prophet, and if it is referring to a False prophet who is he? The book of Revelation pointing the Whore as a false religious system that will manipulate the secular governments( kingdom), as she ride the Beast, and this First Beast where the Whore riding is ROMAN EMPIRE or the HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE which the official religion is Roman Catholic Church. If Papacy is the Beast or the antichrist he really belongs to th First Beast not the Second Beast, because the First Beast in him the characteristic anti-people of God(Jews and Christians) because he have war against the SAINTS(read Revelation 13:7, but the Second Beast did not make war against the saints.

I google the site of Professor Walter J. Veith, I see his commentaries have many flaws, though he believe that the Second Beast is the US his way of connecting the dots from the First Beast and to the Image of the Beast is not realistic.

The Holy Roman Empire ended in year 1798 then follows the rise of power of US and Britain, as the Second Beast arise from the earth.

The First Beast after the fall will be revived as the European Union, as what we have now the EU where Italy of Rome is part of it.

The Second Beast is a LAMB with two horns, LAMB symbolize a people of God, but he speak as a dragon, dragon symbolize cunning and wise(read Matthew 10:16).

The Image of the Beast is the UNITED NATIONS, it is not a Kingdom but function as like a Kingdom governing, that is why she is just an Image. The Second Beast give life to the Image of the Beast, see the United Nations headquarters located in US. They have power to control trading BUY and SELL, as you can now they can impose ECONOMIC EMBARGO.

Too bad, time will come the United Nations and even US later will be an instrument of the anti-christ world power, probably this will happen after the Rapture.
 
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The ability of the Second Beast to performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth
cannot be literally understood as a miracle of divine actions done by prophets of old but it talks about authority as having superpower weapons that can control the world, a heavy flying weapons on the airspace that can produce fire and big explosions. As you can see US is the top weapons superpower in the whole world!
 

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I am not being dogmatic here but the second Beast, I believe refers to the False Prophet as this can be proven scripturally. While some had identified to extend that this false prophet may come from the Roman See. Chuck Porrit has an interesting view as he dissects the scriptures proving that the 2nd Beast may come from Rome. Even Alberto Rivera (if you know him) believed that it will the Roman Church that would arise the second Beast.

http://www.secondtree.net/2_prophec...MItNr8jL2-2wIVhoWPCh359gViEAAYAiAAEgL94fD_BwE

Anyway may I know why you now supported the Am-Brit Beast?

Thanks,
Yea, the first beast is the anti christ, the second is the false prophet. The anti christ makes war with the saints tomake up the false trinity, satan the devil acts as the Father, anti christ as the false christ and the false prophet acting as the holy sprit
 

fredoheaven

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The ability of the Second Beast to performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth
cannot be literally understood as a miracle of divine actions done by prophets of old but it talks about authority as having superpower weapons that can control the world, a heavy flying weapons on the airspace that can produce fire and big explosions. As you can see US is the top weapons superpower in the whole world!
Hmm. The russian prowess could do that as well. Signs and wonders can only be attributed to the workings of the devil as he will use the false prophet to deceive people and may force evryone to worship the 1st beast
 
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Hmm. The russian prowess could do that as well. Signs and wonders can only be attributed to the workings of the devil as he will use the false prophet to deceive people and may force evryone to worship the 1st beast
I gamble, no one can no longer will show a miraculous power a fire that came from heaven to decieve anybody. Seems you still in the fairytales of old but it really happened in OT. All forms and representations in the book of Revelations are just all figuratives. Russia never yet tested their weapons of superpower in history, but USA did in Japan!
 
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Yea, the first beast is the anti christ, the second is the false prophet. The anti christ makes war with the saints tomake up the false trinity, satan the devil acts as the Father, anti christ as the false christ and the false prophet acting as the holy sprit
Why you talk about trinity? it is not part of our OP
 
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