True Born Again Christians Have Eternal Security

[Blain]

No sinless you have not, you have been deceived into thinking you are sinless. The devil has warped your mind into this kind of thinking. you can misuse scripture all you wish, you can delude yourself into thinking you live without sin but that will never change the fact you sin. any judgmental act or thought is a sin. You call me a sinner, i say i am a child of god, you say if i sin I am not. but who is anyone man to call another man a sinner? only god has that authority not you. you call all of us sinners when in fact you may very well be the worst one. Ya i sin but i strive everyday to be a mirror image of jesus, i always tell him how loved and treasured he is. so.... what exactly do you do other than call us sinners?

 

[Blain]

Sin is most certainly not unavoidable.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

.................. umm so how are you sinless?

 

[sinless]

Originally Posted by sinless Sin is most certainly not unavoidable.

1 Corinthians 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

.................. umm so how are you sinless?

Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote.

However to answer your question I am sinless because I have been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb

 

[sinless]

I fell sad for you Blain, so young, and so deceived. I do pray for you, that you will study the word, get out from whoever is misleading you and trust in Christ to deliver you from all sin

 

[Radius]

Got this from another site:

Who can claim to love God with all his heart, mind and soul every moment of every day? No one. Yet, that is the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:36-38). Failing to love God completely at all times is a daily sin for all Christians.

We also have a verse that warns us of the deceitfulness of our old sinful nature, which in a sense is warning us of the potential, if not the likelihood, of daily sin. "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" (Jeremiah 17:9). Even the apostle Paul was frustrated with his own battle against indwelling sin. "For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members" (Romans 7:22-23). This capacity to sin led him to cry in desperation, “What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body of death?” (Romans 7:24).

Solomon knew full well that he and all men not only have the potential for sin, but that we all exercise that capacity routinely. As he stated in his prayer at the dedication of the temple, "If they sin against thee, (for there is no man that sinneth not)" (1 Kings 8:46). And Solomon spoke of it again in the book of Ecclesiastes: "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not" (Ecclesiastes 7:20). Again, while these verses do not unequivocally indicate daily sin, they certainly warn us against the pride of saying at any moment that we have no sin.

The good news is that we will not have to strive forever against daily sin. One day we will be in heaven with our Savior and will be freed from the presence and power of sin, just as we have already been freed from its penalty.

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[Blain]

Maybe you need to re-read what I wrote.

However to answer your question I am sinless because I have been cleansed by the blood of the Lamb

Ok i get the washed by the blood of the lamb, but the fact you say you never sin is what worries me. I am in a sense sinless but not because i never sin but because Jesus will forgive me if i repent

 

[sinless]

Ok i get the washed by the blood of the lamb, but the fact you say you never sin is what worries me. I am in a sense sinless but not because i never sin but because Jesus will forgive me if i repent

Yes He would forgive you, but if you keep on sinning that shows you're not repenting

 

[crossnote]

Got this from another site:

Who can claim to love God with all his heart, mind and soul every moment of every day? No one. Yet, that is the greatest commandment (Matthew 22:36-38). Failing to love God completely at all times is a daily sin for all Christians.

Radius,
They won't play the game with goal posts that high. They have to lower the posts to keep their perfect standing.

 

[Zee_Zelot]

If I may butt in; Is Jesus sinning with bad though when he tell us Take heed , bewareof the leaven of the Pharisees,and of the leaven of Herod or when he calls the Pharisees and Scribes "fools and hypocrites" and if we can't be sinless why does he tell us; Be ye therefore perfect,even as your Father which is inheaven is perfect

 

[Radius]

Radius,
They won't play the game with goal posts that high. They have to lower the posts to keep their perfect standing.

Isn't that the truth.

 

[Cobus]

Any person God gives HIS love too can claim to have the Love of God in him... That is what God does.... God gives a PURE PERFECT love to His Children to walk in HIS statutes... Eze 1 John AND JUST ABOUTH THE WHOLE Bible teaches this...

Radius are you implying nobody can recieve the Love of God to HIS MEASURE?... Does God do this?...Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

If God stopped making our love perfect, NOBODY WILL GO TO HEAVEN...

 

[Radius]

If I may butt in; Is Jesus sinning with bad though when he tell us Take heed , bewareof the leaven of the Pharisees,and of the leaven of Herod or when he calls the Pharisees and Scribes "fools and hypocrites" and if we can't be sinless why does he tell us; Be ye therefore perfect,even as your Father which is inheaven is perfect

It is obvious that Jesus, who is God in flesh, the great loving teacher, also said some harsh things to people. He called them hypocrites, fools, blind people, blind guides, whitewashed tombs, lawless, of their father the devil, and liars.
Why would Jesus be so harsh with people? He did this because he hated their sin and despised those who hindered others from coming to a saving relationship with him. Remember, saying harsh things to people is not wrong , but what is said needs to be true and tempered with wisdom. We need to be careful when we speak harshly, and we need to attempt to be loving and kind whenever possible. But it is not wrong, in and of itself, to speak the truth when dealing with peoples' rebellion against God. (taken from another site, but answers your question)

 

[Radius]

Any person God gives HIS love too can claim to have the Love of God in him... That is what God does.... God gives a PURE PERFECT love to His Children to walk in HIS statutes... Eze 1 John AND JUST ABOUTH THE WHOLE Bible teaches this...

Radius are you implying nobody can recieve the Love of God to HIS MEASURE?... Does God do this?...Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

If God stopped making our love perfect, NOBODY WILL GO TO HEAVEN...

I'm not sure what you are asking here. Of course people, all people, can receive God's love.

 

[Cobus]

Radius let us look at what God teaches about a man that is BORN OF GOD... Remember BORN OF GOD...
Would you say a man that is born of GOD can sin? God says he CANNOT because he is born of God and God's SEED remain in that man. 1 John 3:9...
If I do not agree with this verse then I have to say... Any man of God that is BORN OF GOD can still sin.... Or I shouls say... Does not matter if you are born of God, you will always sin... Well I do NOT SAY that... I believe this...Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

[Cobus]

If God perfects the love in a person does that person love God with ALL HIS SOUL SPIRIT AND BODY? Like god commanded? Yes HE DOES.. God's love is perfected in these people, and they are as holy and perfect as the God that DID THIS FOR THEM..

 

[Radius]

King David sinned greatly. He had a man killed to cover up his past sins with Bathseba, the man's wife. He also watched her bathe nude among many other documented sins in the Bible. Would you say David is not in Heaven? The Bible goes on to say that he was even a man after God's own heart!

And what about this verse?
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.

 

[Radius]

If God perfects the love in a person does that person love God with ALL HIS SOUL SPIRIT AND BODY? Like god commanded? Yes HE DOES.. God's love is perfected in these people, and they are as holy and perfect as the God that DID THIS FOR THEM..

Yes, but we aren't perfect until we get to heaven.

 

[justamazed]

Where does the Bible ever say our future sins are already forgiven?

What future sins? It does say that you were forgiven before you were born.

 

[starfield]

Our salvation is based on what we have done with Jesus Christ at Calvary. Once we accept Jesus Christ, we are then baptized into His body( 1 Cor. 12:13), sealed by the Holy Ghost(Eph. 1:13 & Eph. 4:30), predestined to be conformed to His image (Rom. 8:29), and are predestined unto the adoption of His children by Jesus Christ according to the good pleasure of His will (Eph. 1:5).

...And those are all true and a reality as long as we persevere in the faith however if we choose to leave the fold then we jeopardise ourselves. "Abide in me and I in you". Jesus taught about the lost sheep, the lost coin, and the prodigal son who became spiritually dead, which indicates that believers can become lost again. Rom 8:29 is for those who remain steadfast in the faith, those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (Rom 8:1).

Now what is conditional is our rewards at the Judgment seat of Christ ( 2 Cor. 5:10), as well as our testimony (Phil. 2:12-18), and our fellowship with the LORD while on this earth (1 John 1:7,9). Following Jesus is Discipleship. And we should all follow Jesus the best we can while on this earth. And we definitely should know the fellowship of Christ's sufferings and we should count it an honour to suffer for Him while on this earth ( Phil 3:10 & 2 Tim. 2:12). And there is a difference between salvation and discipleship. Salvation determines that you will spend eternity in Heaven. But discipleship and sanctification, and suffering for Christ down here will determine our Millennial Inheritance, our rewards in Heaven and in all Eternity.

The reason why lukewarmness is so rampant in Christianity today is because many preachers are trying to remove sanctification from the gospel message, it is either viewed as optional or they have a wrong perception of it, nonetheless it is part of the gospel as Christ died to sanctify and make us holy and peculiar people and the bible says without holiness no man will see God, therefore it's not something that should be ignored.

The Judgment Seat of Christ will be a time to evaluate believers' work done in the body such as our discipleship/soul winning (Prov 11:30), which is what Paul was referring to in 1 Cor 3, and enduring persecutions (Matt 5:11-12). The 'good' or 'bad' in 2 Cor 5:10 as well as the wood, hay, precious stones, and stubble that will be tried by fire (1 Cor 3:11-15) are not alluding to righteous and unrighteous deeds rather worthless and worthy service. Jesus built the foundation of the church and Paul and Apollos were building upon it by discipling the churches, however Paul was concerned that due to their divisiveness (1 Cor 3:1-5) he would lose rewards. In essence his work of building the Corinth church would be worthless as wood, hay, and stubble but his soul would be saved yet so as by fire because discipleship is not a salvific issue, on the disciple's part anyway.
1 Cor 3:6-11
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase. Paul and Apollos' labour was planting and watering by spreading the gospel and watching over the growth of the church in Corinth but it is God that convicts, transforms, and sustains the soul.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase. It is God that saves.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. Even though Paul and Apollos had a common goal, they will each receive rewards based on how effort they put into it. Rewards will be allotted according to their labour of planting and watering.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building. We are working with God to further of His kingdom.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is evident that the overall context of 1 Cor 3 is soul winning. So bringing this passage into application, if a believer wins a soul for the Lord and the soul remains (the work is likened to precious stones) they will receive rewards however if that soul departs from the faith, the believer will lose rewards for that work (likened to wood, hay, and stubble) but not their salvation as they played their part in preaching the truth, praying, and offering encouragements to that soul.

Those who use 1 Cor 3:11-15 to support the notion that believers just lose rewards for living in ungodliness are in error as that idea doesn't jive with the scriptures at all i.e. 1 Cor 6:9-10 and Gal 5:19-21. Verse 21 clearly states that they which do such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. The "they" is referring to anyone whether they were once saved or never saved, for God is no respecter of persons.

I hope that makes sense.

Therefore our Eternal Security is unconditional.

If that's the case then why does the bible have warning passages such as Rev 2:7, 11? Are they to be ignored? Don't you think it's important to warn believers about the dangers of backsliding and apostatising?

 

[Blain]

I fell sad for you Blain, so young, and so deceived. I do pray for oyu, that you will study the word, get out from whoever is misleading you and trust in Christ to deliver you from all sin

Sinlesse, the person who leads me is the father himself. No one was ever able to teach me how to be a christian so i spent all my time with personal time the lord. So this person you say it is i need to get out of is the father and i will not. I am no better than you but I cannot really believe you actually believe you are never going to sin.