Is homosexuality so bad?? Its like high school drama...

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It is amazing how crafty satan works.I can't believe we are even discussing this on the forum.

The gay agenda is so adamant about making me change to accept their views it draws fire from non-christian and christian communities alike. These groups then get labeled as gay bashers or homophobic because they don't change their views. Now liberal churches, the government and other groups will lable me intolerant, possibly making me a criminal because I will not change who I am, to accept some other persons sin.!!!!!!!!

I refuse to fall into this trap and apologize for my frequent posts on this matter. It's ridiculous for us allowing this to go on when God so clearly speaks His mind on the this issue, what can I say that God already hasn't.
 
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I absolutely agree. Homosexuality is a sin. Just like wearing clothes made of two different fabrics. Or planting two different types of corn on your field. Or eating seafood. I bet SwordOfFire is no sinner. He stones people to death because they worked on sabbath. He sells his daughter into slavery. He doesn't talk to women in their period. Because that is what being a christian means. That and raping a woman and then kill her husband like King David.
I admire you SwordOfFire, you Sir, are a true believer.
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Exactly how do you get all of that from what I posted?
 
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Ok, lets talk about this for a second. In my experiences people love to put down other people, point out their flaws because they need to feel more superior than their neighbors. This happens from individual people, to families, to denominations, to nations, pretty much every level it happens.

Homosexuality is a sin, thats established. Thank you, can we move on yet? But no, Christians got to bring it up, and bring it up. I hate when people dwell on others problems, because obviously they are super Christians right? In fact, Jesus himself came down to earth and appointed them to be the religious police and run around telling people exactly what they are doing wrong.

I like it how Christians tend to marginalize their faults and enlarge other peoples faults. Screaming how homosexuality is a sin...It plays out like this...

SUPER CHRISTIAN: "But Chop Sui that man or woman is gay, they know Jesus hates it and they continue to live in sin! They aren't going to heaven."
CHOP SUI: Ok super Christians, but didn't God also say that obesity is a sin? What about that, you know its wrong yet YOU continue to live in sin.
SUPER CHRISTIAN: But Chop Sui that hardly is as bad as being GAY! Besides I have trouble controling my weight, I can't help it if I am over weight.
CHOP SUI: Can that person help that they are attracted to a person of the same gender?
SUPER CHRISTIAN: Well they could just not indulge in that activity.
CHOP SUI: Well you could refrain from eating anything but raw fruits and veggies for the rest of your life too and it would solve the problem. Right?
SUPER CHRISTIAN: Now that isn't even a resonable request. Besides, I know a man who comes to Church believes in God yet continues to live in sin. How can he consider himself a Christian?
CHOP SUI: Who goes to the doctors? The well or the sick. And don't you go to Church to, even if you sin. If you were a REAL Christian you would do what ever it takes to follow Christ to the letter of the law....right?

Now do you see what I mean? It might not be weight, it might be greed, lust, any thing that doesn't make you perfect. In my church there are people that anyone who goes to Church on Sunday isn't a TRUE Christian, why? Because the day was changed by the pope, who is considered the Anti Christ leading people away. And those who willingly follow the Anti Christ when in the Bible it plainly states that the 7th day is the day of rest. Then of couse you have the SUPER CHRISTANS coming back and saying well I know it is the 7th day but its just more convient to go on Sunday? Well well well what have we here, I didn't know that we only followed the rules that were CONVIENT for us. Personally I thought we had to follow them ALL the time. If we are just picking and choosing what ones we are following, then I pick from the 10 commandments 1, 3, 8, 9, and I will follow 10 every other week.

Oh, thats not how it works? Then please enlighten me, how you choose which rules to follow, because it is evident that you simply pick and choose. Do you pick then out of a hat? Randomly flip a coin, heads you follow tails you ignor?

I'll tell you a funny story, a man who was a SDA (Seventh day Adventist) was playing basketball for Montana State Univ. He was the starting center, however, he refused to play Friday nights to Saturday Sun down, because this was the Lords time. The team actually called in clerks from every denomination to try to convince him to play on the Sabbath, however when he met with them this is what they said. "Your right, the Biblical day of rest of the 7th day. There is nothing in the Bible that says Sunday, however, going to Church on Sunday won't condem you." He actually lost his starting job because the games were scheduled Tuesday and Saturdays and he missed 1/2 the games due to them being on Saturday.

Now do I think you are going to hell because you go to Church on Sunday? Absolutely not. Do I thnk you are going to hell because you are Gay, obese, greedy, lustful? Absolutely not.

So please as you are gay bashing think about what you are doing wrong. How you are ALSO not following the Bible.....The way I see it, God meets people where they are. Not where you think they SHOULD be
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good point however you are not considering all the scripture we must live by every word that proceedeth From God not just the ones you know or even the ones you want to preach obesity is not listed as one of the transgressions that will keep you out of heaven. and it not that most are gay bashers it;s that most gays will disagree with even you as that homosexaulity is a sin that how they can continue in it as to deny that it displeases the Father

1co 6:9Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,1co 6:10Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

EFFEM''INATE, v.t. To make womanish; to unman; to weaken; as to effeminate children.
 
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First of all, the gospel is not about following the 10 commandments. Read Galatians. If you submit yourself to one part of the law, you are indebted to whole law; and if you are following the law, you are fallen from grace.

As for homosexuality, yes it is that big of a deal. The reason is that it is an abomination before God. There are differing degrees of sin. Jesus told Pontius Pilate that "He who delivered me to you has the GREATER sin." The point is not that gays should be bashed or hated, but that sin should be called sin and not compromised. 1 Corinthians 6:9 says that homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom of God.

9Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
11Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God (NASB)



What you seem to not understand is that the approval of God is not based on whether or not you keep commandments and follow laws. It is grace, which means that God has conferred his favor upon the elect, without any merit on their part. Having a holy lifestyle is the evidence that this life changing encounter with God has actually taken place. If God truly saves a homosexual, they will not, according to 1 John, continue to walk in the darkness of that lifestyle. But, according to the same book, if the evidence of holiness is absent, and a person continues to walk in darkness, they do not have fellowship with God. If you have the Holy Spirit, you will live a holy life.
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I agree Sword I am with God on this one also....

I think you bring up a very valid point...if you truly live with the Holy Spirit inside you, and you are growing in your faith, you will have a very strong aversion to sin (aka conviction as someone else described) and you will do everything you can to NOT go against God's word. We dont do this alone, we do it with the power of the Holy Spirit, and the more we get to know Jesus and spend time with Him, the more we know about what God does and doesnt want from us. Our conscience is quickened when we are confronted with temptation, and we are sharpened daily to know where Satan may be trying to lead us astray. As such, a christian who has been homosexual will struggle at first, but the more that person gets to know God, the less that person will want to conduct themselves in a sinful way. It doesnt happen like magic, and its not instantaneous by any means, but just like any sin that we have in our lives it is vital that we overcome the struggles in our lives, and get rid of any stumbling blocks that stand in between us and God's purpose in our lives.

It's not a matter of condemnation, or judgement - it's simply a matter of putting God before your own desires, and deciding to walk HIS way instead of your own. It's a choice every christian has to make, and that choice will determine your future in the Lord. Bless you all! xox
 
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Christians aren't perfect. Yes, some religious freaks DO do that. I understand where your coming from. However, you my friend are doing the same thing that Super Christians are doing. Pointing out flaws. (and so am I right this moment) shame on me! LOL. sin is sin is sin is sin, in God's eyes.

This is Gods job, not ours :]
 
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Exactly how do you get all of that from what I posted?
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You said we should condemn homosexuality because the bible says so. I say we should condemn seafood because the bible says so. Ever worn clothes made of two different fabrics? Well guess that makes you a sinner just like those "homosexuals" you have heard in your monthly bible circles (according to your own logic). Who are you to judge which rules to follow and which to ignore? I think you only follow this rule because it fits your narrowminded view of the world. You guys sure hate everything that's different, don't you. I have met homosexuals that are 10 times better christians than you, due to the simple fakt that they don't spread hateful messages like you do.
 
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You said we should condemn homosexuality because the bible says so. I say we should condemn seafood because the bible says so. Ever worn clothes made of two different fabrics? Well guess that makes you a sinner just like those "homosexuals" you have heard in your monthly bible circles (according to your own logic). Who are you to judge which rules to follow and which to ignore? I think you only follow this rule because it fits your narrowminded view of the world. You guys sure hate everything that's different, don't you. I have met homosexuals that are 10 times better christians than you, due to the simple fakt that they don't spread hateful messages like you do.
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I perceive that you lack sufficient understanding of the scriptures and do not know how to rightly divide the word of truth. Also, you judge after the flesh. The gospel is not about following rules. If you read my first response to this post, you would see that I said that, already. Further, you have no idea what my worldview is, you are merely projecting a distorted stereotype upon me. The issue of righteousness for a Christian has nothing to do with rules, and everything to do with being. Every act of righteousness flows out of a purified heart. Paul said that if you submit yourself to one part of the law, you are in debt to the whole law, and if you attempt to follow the law, you are fallen from grace. The issue of homosexuality has nothing to do with the law in Leviticus, and everything to do with the fact that God, Himself calls it an abomination. In fact, in our New Covenant scriptures, it says that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. So tell me how taking a stand for righteousness is synonymous with hate. Godly correction leads to repentance, which leads to salvation. That is love, unlike your soppy sentimentality that covers over an abomination leading men to destruction. Homosexuals, like all men, are candidates for salvation. But the continual presence of sin, whether it be homosexuality, fornication, lust, hatred, or any other work of the flesh, is evidence that a person's profession of faith is false. This is not my opinion, it is John's opinion, according to his first general epistle. Your liberal theology is destructive, and leads men into condemnation. You should read the bible. According to Peter, the grace of God has appeared to all men, TEACHING US TO DENY UNGODLINESS. Grace does not cover over sin, and leave it in place. It covers over sin, as it eradicates it from the heart. That is not narrowminded; it is biblical.
 
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Does it say anything in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) specifically about homosexuality?

I'm actually curious - I don't have my Bible with my concordance with me or I'd look it up. I just want to know.
 
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Alright, let's review Sodom and Gamora. Those cities were destroyed because of thier perversions, (Some of the best thriller I ever read!). Also it was written BOTH in the old (Leviticus), and in the new (I think in John) that God said: "It is an ABOMINATION for man to lie with mankind the same as with a woman.". As God never changes, seems to me it is not something that would be acceptable to God.

Now let's consider something else. We are not to judge. Jesus came to save sinners. That includes all of us. Jesus was the only perfect human to ever walk on this earth. We are to love everyone as Jesus commanded. Where else is a sinner to find the lord but, in a christian setting? I say we need to pray for them and all sinners.
 
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Now let's consider something else. We are not to judge. Jesus came to save sinners. That includes all of us. Jesus was the only perfect human to ever walk on this earth. We are to love everyone as Jesus commanded. Where else is a sinner to find the lord but, in a christian setting? I say we need to pray for them and all sinners.
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Amen! Like someone else said - who needs doctors; the healthy or the ill?
 
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dude i totally agree with this
i mean, i love everyone, including gays.
and it is sin no matter what but still, everyone deserves equal rights, not jsut christians
 
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MusicalMe said:
Does it say anything in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke, John) specifically about homosexuality?

I'm actually curious - I don't have my Bible with my concordance with me or I'd look it up. I just want to know.
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In Matthew 19:5-6 Jesus said "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall join to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder".

In Mark 10: 6-8 Jesus said "But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, so then they are no longer two, but one flesh".

In Luke 16:18 Jesus said "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery"

I couldn't find any in John.

 
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In Matthew 19:5-6 Jesus said "And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall join to his wife: and they two shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder".

In Mark 10: 6-8 Jesus said "But from the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, so then they are no longer two, but one flesh".

In Luke 16:18 Jesus said "Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery"

I couldn't find any in John.
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Ok, thanks. That helps.
 
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everyone deserves equal rights, not jsut christians
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Our rights come from God. Being a pervert is not a right, nor is it right.
 
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Slepsog4 said:
Bailey wrote:

Our rights come from God. Being a pervert is not a right, nor is it right.
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Everyone has the right to be treated as a human and not as a disgusting insect that should be squished. You don't have to agree with homosexuality or condone it or even understand it, but you do have to share the world and you do have to love them with the love of God.
 
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Slepsog4 said:
Our rights come from God. Being a pervert is not a right, nor is it right.
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Dude. Being a pedophile means you are a pervert. But a homosexual? Come on, you can't be serious. They don't harm anybody, they were born that way. It's better to just let them live than to force them to play a role for the rest of their lives. Besides, some of the greatest artists of all time were gay. Thomas Mann, Oscar Wilde, Leonardo Da Vanci... thank god they lived. =)
 
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MusicalMe said:
Everyone has the right to be treated as a human and not as a disgusting insect that should be squished. You don't have to agree with homosexuality or condone it or even understand it, but you do have to share the world and you do have to love them with the love of God.
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oh i didnt say that, some guy said it about md
 
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Dude. Being a pedophile means you are a pervert. But a homosexual? Come on, you can't be serious. They don't harm anybody, they were born that way. It's better to just let them live than to force them to play a role for the rest of their lives. Besides, some of the greatest artists of all time were gay. Thomas Mann, Oscar Wilde, Leonardo Da Vanci... thank god they lived. =)
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Aaron Copland, Pytor Tchaikovsky...
 
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