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[JaumeJ]

More and more we have people ignoring the sound teaching of the Word by means of the Holy Spirit favoring varied theologians and scholars who teach about the Word and not the Word itself.

This falls under the heading of what is falsely called knowledge, and we are advised and taught not to destroy ourselves with what is falsely called knowledge.

When reading a post and the person sounds as though he has swallowed an encyclopedia, it is a good indication to avoid that one's confusion, and it is worse when that one posts as though he wrote the encyclopedia.

When you see them gathering with others of the same ilk, and avoiding teaching from the Word only, rather than get into mindless banter about theologies, sects, different interpretations of prophecy, and more, avoid at all costs; these people, though they may have good intentions, are not able to help themselves. You may also know them if they seem to be undergoing some self gratification rather than giving glory to God and to His Word.

If you do not understand it as being from Yeshua, Jesus.....avoid it. You do not want to become as confused as these perpetrators of self, absent of glorifying God.

God is good all of the time. Unless we turn and become as children we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and the thought of approaching the Father as an adult is ludicrous at best. He's our Dad, amen.

 

[my_adonai_]

Thanks brother, Glory to God for Him opening your eyes to this.
And your habit of learning from HIM and Him alone.

 

[Bistabuster]

We need to learn from the Bible's Word, yes. But do we learn ONLY from the Bible and not listen to anybody else because they might be wrong so therefore we need to read the Bible only ourselves because we might get errors from somebody else?

Let me see if I got this straight. If I were to not listen to other people and possibly learn from them for they may be spreading false teachings, how can I be sure if I were to learn the Bible without them and get it right? Could it be that I too learned false doctrine as well?

 

[1still_waters]

I find this kind of mentality about teachers, theologies, and doctrines quite often. This mentality seems to go off the premise, that if we simply open the Bible, read it, and don't listen to any teachers/theologians/doctrines, then we'll somehow get a purer, unjaded reading of the Bible.

But this premise assumes each individual has the ability and insight to read the Bible on their own and understand it accordingly.

For one, I think this premise is arrogant.
Someone can open the Bible and just understand it all on their own? (Yes I understand the Holy Spirit helps us, but even that assumes the LONE reader can read, understand and listen and grasp EVERYTHING on their own.)

I don't think we can throw out all the gifts God has given us through teachers and theologians, and somehow expect to get a firm handle on the Bible.

 

[Grandpa]

I was just thinking of this last night on the ride home...

Love looks different to different people.

One persons way of showing love is considered violence by another. Some will understand and some won't. Take what you can out of it and leave the rest.

I don't really trust the teaching of any men, outside of the bible, until I verify it by the bible. The bible says we are not to put our trust in the philosophy of men but in the teaching that comes from the Holy Spirit. With that said, sometimes the Holy Spirit uses men to teach... that gets tricky... how do you know...? Be like the Bereans.

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

More and more we have people ignoring the sound teaching of the Word by means of the Holy Spirit favoring varied theologians and scholars who teach about the Word and not the Word itself.

This falls under the heading of what is falsely called knowledge, and we are advised and taught not to destroy ourselves with what is falsely called knowledge.

When reading a post and the person sounds as though he has swallowed an encyclopedia, it is a good indication to avoid that one's confusion, and it is worse when that one posts as though he wrote the encyclopedia.

When you see them gathering with others of the same ilk, and avoiding teaching from the Word only, rather than get into mindless banter about theologies, sects, different interpretations of prophecy, and more, avoid at all costs; these people, though they may have good intentions, are not able to help themselves. You may also know them if they seem to be undergoing some self gratification rather than giving glory to God and to His Word.

If you do not understand it as being from Yeshua, Jesus.....avoid it. You do not want to become as confused as these perpetrators of self, absent of glorifying God.

God is good all of the time. Unless we turn and become as children we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and the thought of approaching the Father as an adult is ludicrous at best. He's our Dad, amen.

Arrogance. Self.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

More and more we have people ignoring the sound teaching of the Word by means of the Holy Spirit favoring varied theologians and scholars who teach about the Word and not the Word itself.


This falls under the heading of what is falsely called knowledge, and we are advised and taught not to destroy ourselves with what is falsely called knowledge.

When reading a post and the person sounds as though he has swallowed an encyclopedia, it is a good indication to avoid that one's confusion, and it is worse when that one posts as though he wrote the encyclopedia.

When you see them gathering with others of the same ilk, and avoiding teaching from the Word only, rather than get into mindless banter about theologies, sects, different interpretations of prophecy, and more, avoid at all costs; these people, though they may have good intentions, are not able to help themselves. You may also know them if they seem to be undergoing some self gratification rather than giving glory to God and to His Word.

If you do not understand it as being from Yeshua, Jesus.....avoid it. You do not want to become as confused as these perpetrators of self, absent of glorifying God.

God is good all of the time. Unless we turn and become as children we cannot enter the Kingdom of God, and the thought of approaching the Father as an adult is ludicrous at best. He's our Dad, amen.

Very wise words. For our learning and understanding does not come from man EVER! It is the Ruach Hakodesh (Holy Spirit) that is the revealer of ALL truth. It is NEVER man, for even if a man happens to be teaching the truth, no one else will receive that truth unless the Ruach opens your heart to receive it. Absolutely anyone could pick up the bible and read it, never hearing one man preach it, and completely receive all truth of it. Because it's YAH's word and He reveals.
Psalm 119:130 The entrance of Your words bring light, they give understanding even to the simple.
No one is EVER in need of man, for them to learn YAH's word. And in the case that one is unable to read, they still need not man for learning, for there are many that YAH has spoken to in their spirit that fully understood what YAH wanted and how to walk in His ways and knew who Yeshua was.
It is quite rediculous for anyone to think that man is needed for anyone to learn and understand YAH's word. For they themselves still have much to learn as we all do.
YAH didn't need us when He created the foundations of the earth, He doesn't need us to reach the lost either.
He ALLOWS us the privelege to spread His gospel. It is not a right, but a gift that He even allows us to do this.
Great words of wisdom JaumeJ. Shabbat Shalom

 

[jinx]

You're full of your selves if you think you can read the bible and grasp everything it is trying to show you. Yes the HOLY SPIRIT helps us in understanding GOD's will for our lives, but don't believe that since you have the HOLY SPIRIT that you don't need any kind of leadership or teaching given to you. And yes that teaching better line up with the word of GOD. The devil is a spirit also, he too can talk in your ears and try and convince you of things. Look at Eve.

 

[JaumeJ]

The thread of this post says nothing at all relating to grasping knowledge from the Word. It does however state clearly that the Holy Spirit is the only source of truth for those who believe Yeshua.

No child of Yahweh, God, presumes to seize the truth, and by virtue of this knowledge we all wait to receive knowledge. No man other than our Lord, has ever understood all or even much of the Word, let alone does any man have more authority than the Holy Spirit to impart it.

As for leadership, we do look to assembies' leaders for guidance and understanding, but if the Written Word Kills in the Word, think how much more dangerous are dead words written by the great thinkers of this age without consulting the Word or Yahweh. I

n the Word, Itself, we are admonished never to add to nor take away from God's Word. We are also taught if anyone come with a gospel other that that of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, let him be accursed, for there is not other gospel than the delivered to us by our Lord, and He suffered and died in order to do just that.

Our Lord teaches us to come and learn from Him for His Yoke is easy and his burden is light. To learn from His words is following His teaching to the letter and in the spirit. Following isms leads to schisms. Unity is in Jesus, Yeshua, amen.

You're full of your selves if you think you can read the bible and grasp everything it is trying to show you. Yes the HOLY SPIRIT helps us in understanding GOD's will for our lives, but don't believe that since you have the HOLY SPIRIT that you don't need any kind of leadership or teaching given to you. And yes that teaching better line up with the word of GOD. The devil is a spirit also, he too can talk in your ears and try and convince you of things. Look at Eve.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

You're full of your selves if you think you can read the bible and grasp everything it is trying to show you. Yes the HOLY SPIRIT helps us in understanding GOD's will for our lives, but don't believe that since you have the HOLY SPIRIT that you don't need any kind of leadership or teaching given to you. And yes that teaching better line up with the word of GOD. The devil is a spirit also, he too can talk in your ears and try and convince you of things. Look at Eve.

To claim someone full of themself because they rely on the Holy Spirit as their revealer of YAH's truth, just shows you lack of understanding of YAH's Word. For you could never teach me anything, nor I you, UNLESS the Holy Spirit allowed one of us to receive that truth. No one needs leadership or teaching for us to receive truth from YAH. As I said before, YAH didn't need us when He created the foundations of the earth, He doesn't need us for others to receive His truth either. Iron sharpens iron, but iron does not create iron. If you follow YAH's voice than you learn the difference from His and satan's. Yes, I can read the bible and grasp everything it is trying to show me, for it's YAH's word, and it's His Spirit that shows me all it's truth, it is NEVER man.

 

[1still_waters]

From my experience, many who claim to throw aside traditions of men/teachings/doctrines/etc, all in the name of "letting the Holy Spirit lead"/reveal to them: Many of them are simply replacing older dogma, for self-created dogma/doctrines/teachings.

Then instead of supposedly being in bondage to all the traditions/teachings/doctrines, they come into bondage to their own "Holy Spirit given" revelations, which in many instances are just delusions created by their own mind. By claiming to be getting "revelation from the Holy Spirit" it allows them to cling to their own self create dogma, because after all, it was "revealed to them by the Holy Spirit".

These same people who rail against bondage to traditions/teachings/doctrines/etc, for some reason they have no problem promoting all of their self revelation, and demanding others follow them.

 

[Abiding]

How can you possibly test all things..avoiding all things?

 

[JaumeJ]

Because I initiated this thread, my answer, for myself only, is this. Read my posts, and see just how many times, how consistently I plea with all to learn from Jesus Christ, Yeshua, Himself. So do all who truly believe Him. To learn from Him is far less complicated or laborious than learning any dogma, doctrine, theology or whatever line of a man. Hear Jesus, believe Him and worship Him, amen

From my experience, many who claim to throw aside traditions of men/teachings/doctrines/etc, all in the name of "letting the Holy Spirit lead"/reveal to them: Many of them are simply replacing older dogma, for self-created dogma/doctrines/teachings.

Then instead of supposedly being in bondage to all the traditions/teachings/doctrines, they come into bondage to their own "Holy Spirit given" revelations, which in many instances are just delusions created by their own mind. By claiming to be getting "revelation from the Holy Spirit" it allows them to cling to their own self create dogma, because after all, it was "revealed to them by the Holy Spirit".

These same people who rail against bondage to traditions/teachings/doctrines/etc, for some reason they have no problem promoting all of their self revelation, and demanding others follow them.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

From my experience, many who claim to throw aside traditions of men/teachings/doctrines/etc, .

You're absolutely right, I do all I can to avoid the traditions of MEN and all their teachings and doctrines.
I follow all the traditions of YAH and HIS teachings and doctrines that are perfect and without error.
Now if a person just so happens to teach something that Scripture confirms, than I receive it joyfully and gladly.
But I nor you or anyone else needs man or man's teachings for us to receive YAH's truth.

I find just a little interesting why some are having a hard time wrapping their mind around such spiritual logic. It is quite easy to understand if they know where there truth comes from.
But for those who choose to follow man and his teachings and doctrines can easily miss that logic.

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

How can you possibly test all things..avoiding all things?

What is being avoided? Do you test all things according to what man says, or what YAH's word says?

 

[1still_waters]

I find just a little interesting why some are having a hard time wrapping their mind around such spiritual logic.

Because for so many this approach is just a way for them to develop their own dogma, all under the guise of "the Holy Spirit taught me". Such people often confuse their own beliefs for God's teaching, because they've conflated the stuff they've learned on their own as being a direct revelation from God.

They go about trumpeting that they "only believe what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches" but in fact they simply believe their own self created man made traditions. And these types of folks are in a worse state than someone who supposedly "believes in the traditions of man". Why? Because they believe the stuff they believe in was directly given to them by God! At least the folks who sift through the "traditions/teachings of men" know where their source came from, and hence have a healthy openness to possibly being wrong. This can't be said of the one who thinks everything they "self learned" by "listening to the Holy Spirit". Why? Well because they believe it came from "God himself".

 

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

I'll not listen to JaumeJ in favor of the Spirit and the Word.

 

[Abiding]

What is being avoided? Do you test all things according to what man says, or what YAH's word says?

My position is to never trust in myself, which is also a biblical position. Therefore i would "never"
tell someone to only believe what they learn in private study. If you say only take what the Holyspirit
tells you ill remind you the Holyspirit said "study" which entails also using the other things the Holyspirit
taught...teachers etc

What is being avoided? I suppose whatever your avoiding is being avoided. Tough question.

I say learn every position on every doctrine by as many teachers as possible. "Then" find your
position with humility and respect for the Lords sake. Ready at any time to learn more or decide
your position isnt as correct if true.

Therefore! "how" can you test? The only way to test is learn what apposes your position
and hold on to what is true(best fitting in scripture)

 

[ANIOHEVTORAH]

Because for so many this approach is just a way for them to develop their own dogma, all under the guise of "the Holy Spirit taught me". Such people often confuse their own beliefs for God's teaching, because they've conflated the stuff they've learned on their own as being a direct revelation from God.

I agree, there are some cases of this that are true, but with the mentality of this, it won't matter if they are taught by men or claim from scripture, it's going to be off in left field. In the case of which I'm speaking of, is someone who is truly going by scripture, which we all are capable of doing.

They go about trumpeting that they "only believe what God/Jesus/Holy Spirit teaches" but in fact they simply believe their own self created man made traditions. And these types of folks are in a worse state than someone who supposedly "believes in the traditions of man". Why? Because they believe the stuff they believe in was directly given to them by God! At least the folks who sift through the "traditions/teachings of men" know where their source came from, and hence have a healthy openness to possibly being wrong. This can't be said of the one who thinks everything they "self learned" by "listening to the Holy Spirit". Why? Well because they believe it came from "God himself".

I agree here again, there are cases like this. For as James 1 speaks of, there are those who are doubleminded and unstable. But in the same breathe, if someone believes that they need the teachings of men for them to understand or receive truth of YAH's word, than it is just as much of a mess as what you speak of.
I guess I would ask you straight out.
Do you believe that YAH can teach you and reveal to you His truth without ever hearing something on it from man?

 

[Abiding]

You're absolutely right, I do all I can to avoid the traditions of MEN and all their teachings and doctrines.
I follow all the traditions of YAH and HIS teachings and doctrines that are perfect and without error.
Now if a person just so happens to teach something that Scripture confirms, than I receive it joyfully and gladly.
But I nor you or anyone else needs man or man's teachings for us to receive YAH's truth.

I find just a little interesting why some are having a hard time wrapping their mind around such spiritual logic. It is quite easy to understand if they know where there truth comes from.
But for those who choose to follow man and his teachings and doctrines can easily miss that logic.

what does it mean to go make disciples? how can that be done If noone listens to anyone? and
gets it on their own? seems the great commision would be wrong.