There is no such thing as Sola Scriptura

[homwardbound]

Satan, you won't beat me! In the name of Christ Jesus, I will defeat you.

by Christ and Christ alone Brother Satan is defeated John 16:8-11
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Of sin, because they believe not on me;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
Christ won and thank God for all those through belief played their part in showing and expounding truth
Even Christ prior to the asked the disciples to pray this prayer?
The Lord's prayer which is misused to this very day. Not seeing why He asked them to pray this particular prayer?
It was to help in securing Christ going to the cross, to finish fulfilling the Law and Prophets of the Old as he said in Matt. 5:17 is what he came to do and over 300 predictions about him was filled.
So before the new covenant under Law, prior to death at the cross the whole world mainly the Jews were under the Law of Moses and condemned, not ever being able to obey Law 100% having to continue in sacrifice, shedding blood year after year, never having their consciouses purged from sin.
that is the Old Covenant given to the first chosen, and not by Faith was the Law ever given. Faith was promised to Abraham and by Faith Abraham was counted as righteous and Abraham did the works of God by belief in God which secured his Faith to be alive
Anyway after the death od Christ we in a new covenant

[h=3]Hebrews 9:15-17[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


in this new Covenenant we are under the Law of LOVE God's type
So in the old one loved to get loved
Under the New we love because we are loved
We forgive not to get forgiven, because we are forgiven
Please let us quit like men and Love and forgive because we are loved and forgiven by the cross the divinding line of Human History, before the cross and after the cross

 

[zone]

The Whore of Babylon and other symbols are references to the Roman Empire and Nero, in particular.

...wrong....

 

[zone]

lol something my 2 year old niece would do. C'mon zone grow up why don't you! Really!

hi sevens.
your RC friend apparently doesn't know his kind of stuff doesn't last long here.

 

[homwardbound]

Sounds good. And I agree that Christ defeated Satan by giving us a chance at salvation. BTW....... to defeat someone you have to be at war with them, right? In war, you resist and demolish. You mentioned both. Bye

Satan, you won't beat me! In the name of Christ Jesus, I will defeat you.

7seven7 you won't but since Christ has and you beleive, by this you have, not you but Christ through you by Christ's love shed abroad in our hearts, Satan past tense is defeated and Christ upon the resurrection took the keys to Heaven and Hell from the Devil. What we are fighting today is inherited flesh tha just does not want to die nor a lot od profeesed believers want to reckon this to be dead to sin by the cross as Roman 6 so well is explained by Paul, but as I said Flesh does not want to be counted as dead by Christ nor alive back to new life via the ressurrection

[h=3]Romans 6:4[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

 

[7seven7]

hi sevens.
your RC friend apparently doesn't know his kind of stuff doesn't last long here.

Yeh, ya know, I don't think he's offended anybody nearly as much as others have offended me. Not saying I hold a grudge. Just saying, in all fairness to him, he's done nothing wrong. I mean, you could just discuss the topics further with him.

 

[zone]

crossnote, do you not have God's type of love, what is it you all are fighting? God has poured out his LOVE to all and we are not to be seperated yet this whole world is divided in cults and Paul definately did not praise this.

home...when Jesus suffered and died on the hill, and was raised from the tomb 3 days later...was it Finished?

do you teach christians you meet they will spend unimaginable lengths of time in a place of horror and terror because Christ's Work was not sufficient?

what will you say to me if i say to you:

Home, i love you. and i love your children and grandchildren.

now please bring forth your children to me (who loves you), because contrary to what you think you believe; i am going to teach them from an early age that faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough, no - bring me your children and grandchildren - whom i love, and i will tell them i love them..i promise i will - as i teach them they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect.

thanks for your tolerance and patience as i teach your children and grandchildren my science fiction horror version of Christ's love.

zone

 

[homwardbound]

Amen! So we're in one place or another. There's obviously no limbo. Why would there be? Who is God, that He should have to wait to judge us?

the judgement has been done at the cross all that is left is either to believe or not
John 16 again the Holy Ghost is her to convict the world about sin because they do not beleive in me (Christ) speakingand so since the world is convicted by unbelief they remain in their sins. When what Christ actually did was take away all sina nd condemn it to the flesh man's flesh, not Spirit. So man does not see the punishment paid in full by Christ, and therefore does not move ontothe resurrection of Christ that took place three days after the burial. This is what we are called to be alive in the Spirit of Christ and dead to flesh

1. Romans 6:2
   God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
   Romans 6:1-3 (in Context) Romans 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Romans 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
   Romans 6:10-12 (in Context) Romans 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Ephesians 2:5Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
   Ephesians 2:4-6 (in Context) Ephesians 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Colossians 2:13And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
   Colossians 2:12-14 (in Context) Colossians 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. 1 Peter 2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

 

[7seven7]

7seven7 you won't but since Christ has and you beleive, by this you have, not you but Christ through you by Christ's love shed abroad in our hearts, Satan past tense is defeated and Christ upon the resurrection took the keys to Heaven and Hell from the Devil. What we are fighting today is inherited flesh tha just does not want to die nor a lot od profeesed believers want to reckon this to be dead to sin by the cross as Roman 6 so well is explained by Paul, but as I said Flesh does not want to be counted as dead by Christ nor alive back to new life via the ressurrection

Romans 6:4

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Yep Amen brother!! I was talking more about the temptations that come my way. Meaning I will beat the temptations. With Christ as my Guardian and Savior, I will beat all temptation Satan throws at me. I won't let him pull me away from Christ like I was once was. That's all I meant. And I posted that as I was starting to feel the urge to punch something/one lol. And it worked. Anger turned into compassion. It's a beautiful life in Christ, brother.

 

[7seven7]

home...when Jesus suffered and died on the hill, and was raised from the tomb 3 days later...was it Finished?

do you teach christians you meet they will spend unimaginable lengths of time in a place of horror and terror because Christ's Work was not sufficient?

what will you say to me if i say to you:

Home, i love you. and i love your children and grandchildren.

now please bring forth your children to me (who loves you), because contrary to what you think you believe; i am going to teach them from an early age that faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough, no - bring me your children and grandchildren - whom i love, and i will tell them i love them..i promise i will - as i teach them they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect.

thanks for your tolerance and patience as i teach your children and grandchildren my science fiction horror version of Christ's love.

zone

Not true!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Where did you get the idea that Revelation ONLY speaks of future events??
Even most Protestant scholars agree that some, if not MUCH of it has already taken place. The Whore of Babylon and other symbols are references to the Roman Empire and Nero, in particular.

1. Thats why you do not get it. Who said I am protestant? I do not protest anything. I am a child of God. if that offends you. thats not my problem. this is what happens when you try to group everyone together.
2. What has already taken place? except for maybe the first three chapters? everything else is future,
3. The whore of babylon is not an empire. It is a relgious system. God calls a false religious system a harlot because it distorts the truth of God. Babylon was the empire. the religious system came from her.. Paganism origionated in babylon, The whole world knew that. That is why God used the name, so we would know what he meant. It is the false Gods Isreal continued to play with and what got her in trouble in the first place. worshiping the harlot of babylon is worshiping pagan Gods. That is not rome. (at least not the empire which fell)
4. Nero?? nope. Nero did non of the things prophesy says the leader of the final empire will do.. thats the problem when you spiritualise stuff.. You can make anyone fulfill that prophesy.. Nero was a small man compaired to what the final world leader will be, and what that leader will do will pale in comparison to what nero did. That will seem like a walk in the park!

The references to Satan falling from heaven into hell took place before the creation of the world.

Um. No one has seen hell. Satan has never been there. And the scene is when satan is cast to heaven to earth and causes great tribulation on the world.. Not before the earth.. sorry not buying it. Does not fit.. The scene of him being cast to hell happens after he and his armies are defeated by Christ. As it says, there will be so many dead bodies the birds will be filled with the flesh for along time!

 

[homwardbound]

lol You just reminded me of the chaplain I used to see in prison. A Seventh Day Adventist. He said to me that in Luke 23:43, the commer after the word "thee" was actually a mistake and should have been put after the word "today", which would have changed the meaning to say that Jesus was saying, "....... verily I say unto thee today, thou shalt be with me in paradise." Meaning that he would join Christ in paradise, but not necessarily today. The Bible had a mistake in it. Wow! Big call.

at the death of Christ his body died yet his Spirit a life-giving Spirit from Birth on born of the Virgin went straight to Heaven. Spirits as of today do not die,and our warfare is not carnal as flesh is, no rather it is Spiritual and there is the Spirit of error and the Spirit of God known to me as the Spirit of truth, that continuously seperates error from truth so I can remain free in the Love of God only. Flesh dead here and now be me reckoning it so daily
[h=3]Romans 6:11[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]11 [/SUP]Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[zone]

Not true!!

the Catholic church does not teach separation from The Lord upon death in purgatory due to imperfection?

please clarify your objection. tell me what i got wrong.

 

[homwardbound]

If only the Holy Bible contained every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God......... Coz the last I heard, the world in its entirety wouldn't be big enough to hold the teachings Christ gave, in writing. The rest might have been passed down in other ways. Possibility? I refuse to believe that our Lord's teachings, so precious, are limited to a single book. No way!!! He is more than capable of teaching through other ways.

And this is by his LOVE not this worlds

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Those were Joseph's children, not Mary's

So joseph had another wife?? where is this in scripture?? You do know betrothals happened as teenagers do you not? and they were set up by parents?? A divorced person or widower would would not be betrothed to a young virgin. Not in isreal.

 

[homwardbound]

Funny you should say that because Mary is the ONLY creature in heaven being spoken of as having a BODY in the Book of Revelation (Rev. 12:1).

I do not claim to know all I do know that God does and the only way to God the Father is by Christ all else falls to disputes over doubtful things as Romans 14 talks about using food as the example yet goes much deeper
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

So I am elated if Mother Mary is not put above Christ, but scripture states that Christ is the head over all powers and principalities

1. Ephesians 3:10
   To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
   Ephesians 3:9-11 (in Context) Ephesians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Ephesians 6:12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
   Ephesians 6:11-13 (in Context) Ephesians 6 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Colossians 1:16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
   Colossians 1:15-17 (in Context) Colossians 1 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Colossians 2:15And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
   Colossians 2:14-16 (in Context) Colossians 2 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations

 

[zone]

Yeh, ya know, I don't think he's offended anybody nearly as much as others have offended me. Not saying I hold a grudge. Just saying, in all fairness to him, he's done nothing wrong. I mean, you could just discuss the topics further with him.

well, it would be my position that his message is offensive to the true Gospel message, therefore Christ Himself.
that's offensive.

sorry people have offended you - it happens i guess.

i tried discussing the topics with Mr. Authority.
it rapidly turns to blasphemies from his end.
slow learner that i am, i guess it's better to sew up and halt direct dialogue with a blasphemer quickly, lest they be given more room to continue.

opposition to such things, posted without using the quote feature may be an alternative.
zone.

 

[7seven7]

the Catholic church does not teach separation from The Lord upon death in purgatory due to imperfection?

please clarify your objection. tell me what i got wrong.

You said that the Catholic Church teaches this:

" faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough,"
AND!
"they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect."

Now show me how you came to the assumption that the Catholic Church teaches this. When you want to talk to me like a human, zone, and not dramatize everything like a bitter school girl, then I will engage in a full discussion with you. All I ever see in your posts are arrogance and self righteousness. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I just want you to know why I won't be discussing this further with you. I'm sure ChurchAuthority has the patience required to do so lol.

I mean, you also said to me before that, quote: "hi sevens.your RC friend apparently doesn't know his kind of stuff doesn't last long here." And then you provoke us to enter into another discussion with you! What game are you playing at? And why? lol God bless all the same and peace!

 

[homwardbound]

If you don't know that, how can you call yourself a Christian?
Jesus Christ is:
The Word of God through whom all things were created (John 1:1). He is the Son of God, the Second Person of the Trinity. He is the Truth (John 14:6), the Savior of the world. He is the Head of the Body, which is His Church (1 Cor. 12, Col. 1:18).

Mind you, this is an extremely short description.

Thank You for there are many a roads leading to the one straight and narrow road and Christ through the Holy Ghost is in the lead. Therefore out of her her and her (Churches) I speak of will the ones recieved by God by their Faith in God will come forth and many that acted, masqueraded as believers, me not knowing who thet are or are not will be left behind because they trul did not beleive in the one and only Savior Jesus Christ.
The tree of the knowledge of good and evil, to me should have been revealed for waht it truly is and that is EVIL period, it only masqueraded as being good and people do the same as this tree of eating from did to Adam and EVe. But thnak God that through the cross he condemned that evil tree by condeming all sin to the flesh
Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

 

[zone]

You said that the Catholic Church teaches this:

" faith in Christ's sacrifice was not enough for the forgiveness of their sins; His advocacy and cleansing are not enough,"
AND!
"they may spend a thousand years in a place of terror and darkness even though Jesus loves them - because they are not perfect."

Now show me how you came to the assumption that the Catholic Church teaches this. When you want to talk to me like a human, zone, and not dramatize everything like a bitter school girl, then I will engage in a full discussion with you. All I ever see in your posts are arrogance and self righteousness. I'm not trying to pick a fight, but I just want you to know why I won't be discussing this further with you. I'm sure ChurchAuthority has the patience required to do so lol.

I mean, you also said to me before that, quote: "hi sevens.your RC friend apparently doesn't know his kind of stuff doesn't last long here." And then you provoke us to enter into another discussion with you! What game are you playing at? And why? lol God bless all the same and peace!

provoke you?
i wasn't even really talking to you.
i was speaking to home. about purgatory and you replied.
so, puleeze and thx accept responsibility for your own stuff.

since you won't be discussing it with me, i needn't answer i guess.

 

[7seven7]

well, it would be my position that his message is offensive to the true Gospel message, therefore Christ Himself.
that's offensive.

sorry people have offended you - it happens i guess.

i tried discussing the topics with Mr. Authority.
it rapidly turns to blasphemies from his end.
.

Oh c'mon zone. He can say exactly the same thing about you're point of view and beliefs, according to his. What makes your's right and his wrong? You will answer "scripture". But he has been defending his view using scripture this whole time. I don't see the problem. And I don't see why his defence is blasphemous and your's is righteous! But anyway.....

Don't be sorry about people offending me. If there's one good thing i got from this place, its a thick skin lol. Christ told me I'd be out-casted. And here I am!!!