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Kisses1990

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your misinformed. Time for you to get informed......

Reports of missing persons have increased sixfold in the past 25 years, from roughly 150,000 in 1980 to about 900,000 this year. The increase was driven in part by the country's growing population. But the numbers also indicate that law enforcement treats the cases more seriously now, including those of marginalized citizens.
An astounding 2,300 Americans are reported missing every day, including both adults and children.
But only a tiny fraction of those are stereotypical abductions or kidnappings by a stranger.
For example, the federal government counted 840,279 missing persons cases in 2001. All but about 50,000 were juveniles, classified as anyone younger than 18.
The National Center for Missing Adults, based in Phoenix, consistently tracks about 48,000 "active cases," says president Kym Pasqualini, although that number has been bumped up by nearly 11,000 reports of persons missing after this year's hurricanes.
In a phone interview, Pasqualini said a breakdown of the 48,000 cases reveals the democratic nature of America's missing persons.
Slightly more than half—about 25,500—of the missing are men. About four out of 10 missing adults are white, three of 10 black and two of 10 Latino.
Among missing adults, about one-sixth have psychiatric problems. Young men, people with drug or alcohol addictions and elderly citizens suffering from dementia make up other significant subgroups of missing adults.
About half of the roughly 800,000 missing juvenile cases in 2001 involved runaways, and another 200,000 were classified as family abductions related to domestic or custody disputes.
Only about 100 missing-child reports each year fit the profile of a stereotypical abduction by a stranger or vague acquaintance.
Two-thirds of those victims are ages 12 to 17, and among those eight out of 10 are white females, according to a Justice Department study. Nearly 90 percent of the abductors are men, and they sexually assault their victims in half of the cases.

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To further complicate categorization of cases, the FBI designates some missing-person incidents—both adult and juvenile—that seem most dire as "endangered" or "involuntary."
For example, the agency deemed Taylor Behl, the 17-year-old college student missing in Richmond, Va., to be endangered. More than 100,000 missing persons, the vast majority of them children, are designated as endangered each year. About 30,000 are deemed involuntary.

I'm not impressed at all by these numbers. It's a small statistic. By 2050 (if not before), there will be 8 billion humans on this planet. And you are saying that a mere "100 missing-child reports each year fit the profile of a stereotypical abduction by a stranger or vague acquaintance." and " 200,000 were classified as family abductions related to domestic or custody disputes."

That's nothing... There is a big difference between being "abducted" and people who are simply "missing" as you noted. Some "800,000" were runaways, which doesn't count in this topic. WAY more people are missing for various reasons other than being abducted. Like mental illness, runaways, etc.. etc... The chances of being kidnapped are quite slim. You can do the math yourself if you want. The vast majority will go their entire lives without being kidnapped.

You gave a lot of numbers and statistics that are irrelevant. What point is it bringing up "900,000 people are missing this year"? We are not talking about missing people. We are talking solely about those that are kidnapped.
 
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Kisses1990

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After you have a kid of your own and enjoy watching it grow up in front of your eyes,
would you come tell us the same?
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This is kind of an ignorant thing to say. It's again, irrelevant to the topic. No one, not a single one of us would care at all if we were aborted because.....we simply wouldn't even know it. It really doesn't make sense what you are saying. I don't ever plan on having children.
 
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MidniteWelder

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This is kind of an ignorant thing to say. It's again, irrelevant to the topic. No one, not a single one of us would care at all if we were aborted because.....we simply wouldn't even know it. It really doesn't make sense what you are saying. I don't ever plan on having children.
The topic is birth control.
Having or not having a child then is extremely relevant to the topic as opposed to
abductions which really is the topic that is irrelevant in this case, wouldn't you agree?
 
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nw2u

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I think there needs to be a better plan A.
 
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Kisses1990

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Look, Plan B is an amazing thing, and it should be available to any and all that want it. Period.
 
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sunnygurl

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Sadly due to the fallen state of this current world there is a need for this Plan B pill, it is a slight improvement to abortion.

We live in a world immersed in sex - its on TV, movies, music and lyrics, advertising. I do remember years ago sex scenes were NEVER part of a movie or TV show, now many of these border almost on pornography and add NOTHING to the scene. I feel sex is rammed down young peoples throats today. Expose only leads to sampling - all part of the devils work to take something beautiful and turn it bend.

In NZ a high school girl (13-17yrs) can get an abortion through the school counsellor without parental consent or knowledge. This is just plain and outrightly wrong - but it is happening. America's Plan-B is better I think than a young women having an abortion without her parents even knowing, after all its a medicial procedure.
 
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jinx

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from my understanding, the plan b pill is to be an otc birth control pill that has many warnings and side affects. young 15 year old girls may not be mature enough to deal with all the consequences medically. Any birth control except for a condom, should be talk about with a dr. someone who understand the young ladies biologically, and medically. it is reckless to take in any for of birth control without talking with the dr first. this is just common sense. It's not about "rights", it's about safety.
 
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jinx

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and as far as the parents not knowing, that is their responsibility to know, since those children are under the parents care.

frontal lobe doesn't develop till long after teen years. :(
 

Fenner

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Not really, because it wouldn't have mattered at all. Had I been aborted, I wouldn't have even known. The consciousness of a fetus, depending on how old, etc... is extremely limited, if anything.

Not to get off topic and start yet another abortion debate, but all I'm saying is that there are, and should be, priorities. And I think something is wrong with ANYONE who seriously cares more about a fetus than a young child. Mothers don't count. They might indeed care more about their soon-to-be baby than themselves. But as far as the rest of the world goes, if there are seriously people out there that care more about OTHER peoples fetuses, than children in the real world living today and suffering....well, that is a big problem I think.

And again, I don't mean to change topic, but whether you are for abortion or not, if you believe in God, there must be a small part of you that realizes the aborted fetus gets an easy ride. They would go immediately to the Father in Heaven without even dealing with this messed up world. You could concur that they are lucky. They get a free ticket into Heaven because of their death at such a young age.

I don't tell other people what to do with their bodies, but your care free attitude about abortion is a bit disturbing to me. Good luck , God Bless I'm out.
 
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Everyone is quick to point out how sick advocates of contraception are; yet how sick is it for a 14 or 15 year old girl to be raising a child.

Taking a contraceptive pill is preventative of conception. And the hormonal side effects are, in almost all cases, harmless in the long run. They last a week, maybe two. A child lasts a lifetime.

Not everyone believes in God, not everyone's smart enough to make good choices about sex. And we have a safeguard against that, things that ease suffering. That's a good thing.
 

Fenner

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I think birth control is necessary yes. And putting an unborn child above another person, in certain circumstances not right. But calling an unborn child insignificant is wrong. God or no God. That I find disturbing .
 
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jinx

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Parents still need to know whats going on, I don't care what's going on. That child is in their care, speaking as a mom, it is my responsibility that no harm comes to my child esp with OTC pills. I want to know everything!!!! This plan B stuff...... when it comes to my girl I want to know what happened to plan A!!!! little girls having sex, that shouldn't be!!! I want to know so I can talk with my kid about it and show her a better way of life.

Putting plan B on the shelf's for anyone to buy is reckless, inconsiderate to parents, AND dangerous if that child is already on medication that can interact with plan B.

anyone heard of adoption?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Sadly due to the fallen state of this current world there is a need for this Plan B pill, it is a slight improvement to abortion.

lolwut?

Sin is sin girl.
 
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Kisses1990

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The topic is birth control.
Having or not having a child then is extremely relevant to the topic as opposed to
abductions which really is the topic that is irrelevant in this case, wouldn't you agree?
Yes, I absolutely agree. That abduction nonsense is really off topic. And yes, having or not having the child is relevant to the topic of birth control, obviously. But what is irrelevant, is some sort of conversations about "what if.." "What if we were not born" "How would I feel if I wasn't born...I sure would care then!" THAT is what I meant that was irrelevant. You can't speak about something that there is no way you could know one way or another, but with good reason can assume that you wouldn't care at all.
 
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Kisses1990

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I totally agree that parents should know more. But I just disagree about having Plan B on the shelf being reckless. It would be irresponsible not to have it readily available for those who want it. Those people made a mistake. They screwed up "Plan A", so they are trying to fix things by not ruining their lives having a kid that they are not ready for. They are being responsible by inquiring about Plan B. It would be reckless to not care, have intercourse, and just kind of mindlessly forget about it, crossing one's fingers that they don't get pregnant. They realize their mistake, and they are attempting to remedy it. Seems noble to me. Now, should Plan B be used as an actual birth control? Absolutely not. Medically, that's not what it's intended for. There are better means of preventing birth and other contraceptives. This is "Plan B", hence the realization of a mistake and an intelligent, responsible decision.
 
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jinx

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what is reckless is making plan B available for 15 year olds, wh could be on other medication that would interact with the plan b. make it available to the parents, not the kids.
 
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MissCris

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what is reckless is making plan B available for 15 year olds, wh could be on other medication that would interact with the plan b. make it available to the parents, not the kids.
Yes. At least if kids had to have parental permission for this stuff, the parents would KNOW what their kid has been up to and can act accordingly.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Yes, I absolutely agree. That abduction nonsense is really off topic. And yes, having or not having the child is relevant to the topic of birth control, obviously. But what is irrelevant, is some sort of conversations about "what if.." "What if we were not born" "How would I feel if I wasn't born...I sure would care then!" THAT is what I meant that was irrelevant. You can't speak about something that there is no way you could know one way or another, but with good reason can assume that you wouldn't care at all.
It's just interesting that the ones for birth control,
have already been born
 
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Kisses1990

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It's just interesting that the ones for birth control,
have already been born
Like, I'm sorry, but I just think this doesn't make any sense at all. It's like some attempt at a loophole in the situation or something.... you want us to NOT be born and then have a discussion about it? We can't do that.... Of course the ones talking about it have already been born.... because, if no one was ever born, it never would have been invented in the first place. You are not making any sense at all.
 
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MidniteWelder

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Like, I'm sorry, but I just think this doesn't make any sense at all. It's like some attempt at a loophole in the situation or something.... you want us to NOT be born and then have a discussion about it? We can't do that.... Of course the ones talking about it have already been born.... because, if no one was ever born, it never would have been invented in the first place. You are not making any sense at all.
Yes although who are the very ones actually looking for a loophole to get out what is true and correct when we've been told of this next relevant scripture as a guide to the correct way if anyone wishes to have sex

1 Cor 7:9
But if they cannot control themselves,they should marry,for it is better to marry than to burn with passion.

Once married THEN a person can have sex all the live long day 70 times a day if they wish
I totally hear what you're saying, I understand where you're coming from.
That people wish to have total freedom and an abundance of options to do what they will.
At the same time Try and understand this is a CHRISTIAN forum not a liberal world view forum
Gods will is the dominant factor.
People shall hear the truth according to Gods word.
And within after hearing the truth, they then have no excuse for their actions.
One of the main objectives for fighting the "good" fight is not to afford people unlimited freedoms but to teach them the way of the narrow path which is pleasing to the lord not pleasing to the world or pleasing to the self.
In fact we are instructed to deny ourself in favor of Gods will and in following Christ.
Our Lord never once said, ok go ahead and do what you wish and don't worry about it and I'll help ya out of it afterward.
There is not one verse in the bible which says "try your best and hope for the best"

Instead he loves us enough to teach us what not to do to prevent us from hurting ourselves.
He's trying to protect us from ourselves.
It is humans that in a voice of stubborn rebellion say "ugh, I don't care what you say, I think I'm right and wanna learn from my own mistakes"
It is not that God wants to restrict us from being happy.
But there is a difference from happiness and joy.
Happiness is what a human seeks to please themselves and is never enough and always falls short.
Joy is being content in what the Lord provides and that joy overflowing transcends human happiness.
But because God wants to lead us into true Joy which can only come from being content in him.
Being content in him also means to abide in him with him and in his laws and principles.

What is not right is teaching people it's ok to have sex outside of marriage just because you may have been introduced to it and enjoy it and think it's ok.
This is no justification for teaching others to do the same. Misery loves company, so does sin, its like a peer pressure thing such as kids who smoke marijuana and try to get others to do it with them.
They only do so to try and relieve a bit of their own guilt.
If they can convince everyone else to do it with them then they are desensitizing themselves to the repercussions of their actions with the excuse "well everybody else was doing it also, so I'm not so bad"

So when God tells us if anyone burns with passion to marry, then the schools and educational programs could better be teaching people how to properly be in a rship and be married.
One of the biggest decisions a person makes in their life even above a career should be being taught in schools as well.
Schools teach everything else but then throw kids out into the world to let them learn about BF/GF stuff through the school of hard knocks.
And hard knocks they do receive.
Unless we were all at least taught the difference, the other choice, the benefits of seeking what the Lord asks of us and doing what pleases him more than ourselves.

 
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