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You are still missing the point and purpose though. You say, "once married THEN a person can have sex all the live long day 70 times a day if they wish" This is missing the point entirely. Once again, Plan B is NOT intended as a long term birth control. It's meant for use if you made a mistake. If you burning passion got the better of you, and you acknowledge the mistake. You then run out to the store and pick up the pill. It's a quick fix. It's not meant to be used constantly. Try to understand that Plan B is typically not for married people. It's for women who happen to not be on a birth control, who irresponsibly had sex, and to top it off, had sex without a condom even. This person made a horrible mistake and even risked themselves getting an std. Hey, we are human. We all make mistakes. If it should happen to you, Plan B is an option that I think is good to have available just in case. I'd rather have it available than have it not available. Perfectly good drugs unavailable is just inexcusable. You still are bringing up irrelevant topics lol. This has little to nothing to do with marriage. And we all can go and debate that and talk about sex before marriage being wrong and yada yada. Regardless of what is right or wrong, we realize and acknowledge that we are all human and that we all make mistakes. Right? Plan B is for those who made that mistake, had sex without any regard for what might happen afterward, and this is their one chance to not ruin their life (especially if they are very young) and on top of that, they only have a limited amount of time. They have to get that pill in their system within the first 72 hours or it won't even work.
Does this make more sense? We are not exactly talking about your typical birth control here. Plan B is something different. Understand?
But I do have one other point, even though it is a slightly different topic.
You said, "if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion."
I couldn't disagree more. We, as humans, are sexual beings. We are attracted to a great many of people. Marrying our first boyfriend or girlfriend, whom we maybe only knew a few months, solely because we can't control our urges, is just plain stupid. It's a terrible idea, and the marriage will probably fail. You DONT marry someone because you have uncontrollable desires for them. Sexuality is important in a relationship of course, but there has to be a lot more to the relationship than that. Otherwise, what happens when that passion burns out? A few months later, or maybe a year, your going to get off that euphoric natural high that you feel in the beginning of a new relationship that you really care for the person. At first in a relationship, everything is magical and you just love every little thing about the person and can't get enough of them. That could wear off. You've GOT to have communication. You've got to have an understanding. You can't just marry for sex. That's really dumb. Based on what you said, I'm imagining a hypothetical situation... Person A and Person B. They meet, find each other incredibly attractive, and they practically marry on the spot or within a few weeks or months of knowing each other because they are just SOOO " in love" Hah! It takes a lot of experience and healthy dating. It can't be like what you just proposed. It just won't work.
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I didn't even bother reading the rest of this post, beyond the bolded sentences, because...you are clearly missing some pretty major points.
Seeing as how this is a Christian site, it makes perfect sense if a bunch of us happen to believe that NOBODY SHOULD BE HAVING SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. And because we believe that, it also logically follows that we believe that 15 YEAR OLD GIRLS HAVE NO BUSINESS HAVING SEX AT ALL. And because we believe THAT, then it ALSO logically follows that we would be AGAINST this Plan-B.
...aaand I'm done here.
Oh wait, no, I accidentally read another sentence in that post "We, as humans, are sexual beings."
Gimme a break. That's a seriously lame excuse for doing whatever you want.
NOW I'm done here.
Seeing as how this is a Christian site, it makes perfect sense if a bunch of us happen to believe that NOBODY SHOULD BE HAVING SEX OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE. And because we believe that, it also logically follows that we believe that 15 YEAR OLD GIRLS HAVE NO BUSINESS HAVING SEX AT ALL. And because we believe THAT, then it ALSO logically follows that we would be AGAINST this Plan-B.
...aaand I'm done here.
Oh wait, no, I accidentally read another sentence in that post "We, as humans, are sexual beings."
Gimme a break. That's a seriously lame excuse for doing whatever you want.
NOW I'm done here.
K
Well, that's a shame because if you had bother to read the entire thing, you'd see that you were wrong in just assuming my insertion of the phrase "yada yada" was meant with ill intent. I said "yada yada" because I did not want to further go off topic and turn this into a "sex before marraige" debate. THAT IS OFF TOPIC. An important topic, yes. But not for this thread. So, excuse me, but you are wrong. I encourage you to go back and actually read the rest. Jumping to conclusions will completely miss any point that anyone might make. It's very important to hear what someone has to say in it's entirety. Right now you are doing what many christians accuse atheists of doing --- taking something out of context. How often have you heard The Bible misquoted or taught wrong or spoken poorly of simply because someone took a verse or a Psalm out of context?! It's important to read and understand the whole thing to understand the message. So, thanks a lot for jumping to conclusions.
I NEVER SAID ANYONE SHOULD BE HAVING SEX AT 15. You are putting words in my mouth. I never said a 15 year old had any business having sex. That wasn't the issue.
And frankly, I don't know what in the world you are talking about. I never said anything about people should do whatever they want. We, as humans, ARE absolutely sexual beings. So what? It's a fact. That is not an excuse for anything. Just because we are sexual beings has nothing to do with the morality of what we choose to do. We can be extremely sexual beings, but it's a matter of if we act on it (if you are speaking about morality now). You seem to be all over the place. Understand what your talking about before you respond without even bothering to read something all the way through.
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...I explained why the whole sex-before-marriage thing IS on topic here.
I jumped to no conclusions- I was only responding to your assertion that marriage has nothing to do with this thread. And this thread is about TEENS using this Plan-B because they are having sex before marriage when they absolutely should not be.
I didn't read the rest of your post because, based on many of your previous posts, I was pretty sure I just didn't want to know. Skimming through it now, I was right. Note that I'm not responding to any of THAT, though.
Edit: Good grief, I post this and find you've added to your last post, I can't even keep up.
Here's the thing: I am not going to argue this with you. I think you are very wrong in many of your views, and I truly don't care what arguments you have...I don't know how to say all that in a nicer way. I won't be posting in this thread anymore.
I jumped to no conclusions- I was only responding to your assertion that marriage has nothing to do with this thread. And this thread is about TEENS using this Plan-B because they are having sex before marriage when they absolutely should not be.
I didn't read the rest of your post because, based on many of your previous posts, I was pretty sure I just didn't want to know. Skimming through it now, I was right. Note that I'm not responding to any of THAT, though.
Edit: Good grief, I post this and find you've added to your last post, I can't even keep up.
Here's the thing: I am not going to argue this with you. I think you are very wrong in many of your views, and I truly don't care what arguments you have...I don't know how to say all that in a nicer way. I won't be posting in this thread anymore.
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Lets understand a couple things:
1. Sex before marriage is wrong. Yes? Ok, good. We agree.
2. All humans sin, and sometimes on ACCIDENT. Sometimes we don't intend to, but, we ARE human. We are not perfect. We are not God. Agree? Cool.
3. Although the Plan B pill is and can be used at any time. Married people use it. Un-married people use it. Teens use it. Adults use it. Whether we agree with this or not is a different story. But all of these categories have used it. Fact.
4. Even though we know sex before marriage is wrong, we also know that it does happen. Sometimes we screw up. And that goes for all things in life.
5. Plan B has NOTHING to do with marriage, or non marriage. Teens, or adults. It's just a drug. A neutral drug that has no feelings or morality. Married people really shouldn't be using Plan B. It's not meant for married people. There are better means if the married couple does not want children.
Plan B is meant for people who do not have sex regularly, and, for whatever reason, they screwed up. Really badly. So, rather than bring a child in this world while they themselves are still a child (assuming she is 15), she may decide to use Plan B, and I think she should.
1. Sex before marriage is wrong. Yes? Ok, good. We agree.
2. All humans sin, and sometimes on ACCIDENT. Sometimes we don't intend to, but, we ARE human. We are not perfect. We are not God. Agree? Cool.
3. Although the Plan B pill is and can be used at any time. Married people use it. Un-married people use it. Teens use it. Adults use it. Whether we agree with this or not is a different story. But all of these categories have used it. Fact.
4. Even though we know sex before marriage is wrong, we also know that it does happen. Sometimes we screw up. And that goes for all things in life.
5. Plan B has NOTHING to do with marriage, or non marriage. Teens, or adults. It's just a drug. A neutral drug that has no feelings or morality. Married people really shouldn't be using Plan B. It's not meant for married people. There are better means if the married couple does not want children.
Plan B is meant for people who do not have sex regularly, and, for whatever reason, they screwed up. Really badly. So, rather than bring a child in this world while they themselves are still a child (assuming she is 15), she may decide to use Plan B, and I think she should.
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Because the only reason for the "plan B" pill for a 15 yr old
WOULD BE
IF.....
They were having sex outside of marriage going against biblical guidelines as to what sex is intended for in the first place
----which is not to foster and explore our sexual desires.
Sex was intended and created by our creator specifically FOR marriage.
A plan B pill exercises a free will choice outside of the guidelines of precisely what sex is for.
Which is...the union of a man and wife to become one flesh, one unity, for one goal and purpose, equally yoked with the woman following her man as the Lord, which represents and mirrors the perfect harmony and union we are to have with Christ.
Choosing to have sex outside of Gods guidelines is idolatry of the Self, thinking one is higher than God himself.
While the pill may be a temporary fix for the moment, the destruction of sinning against oneself has still commenced.
This destruction of trying out different partners for ones pleasure so to speak only causes untold internal psychological issues which sets up a habit for practicing divorce IE:"that person didnt work I'll find another"
On the flip side, remaining with one partner practices Godly guidelines of fidelity and faithfulness...
"including mental faithfulness".
How many people know grandparents who have been married 50 yrs or so.
They often married at the age of 18...looks like they were doing something right when compared to the divorce rates of today.
And yes much of this can be attributed to the mentality of the so called "free love" movement we saw in the 60's
Making sex ok at an age younger than adulthood strips away the choice of truth
Gods truth, which is what actually sets one free by understanding the tactics the enemy uses to drive a wedge between God and people who refuse to listen to him.
Whether a person dodges a bullet so to speak with regards to pregnancy at a young age when unprepared, they will still deal with the repercussions later in life, even if it is a mentally enlightening wakeup call.
Which is better, to wake up from the dream now through truth and enlightenment, or later after many hard knock lessons have been endured?
What kind of parent would you want?
The one who say yeah just do what you want, you'll figure it out on your own later
Or the parent who actually cares enough to take the time and effort to teach right from wrong.
Or is this the real issue and what you may be upset about within fighting for the right to make incorrect choices?
Did you wish your parents took the time to teach right from wrong
I for one can admit I wish my parents took time in more things to just say
"hey, no dont do that, and this is why"
WOULD BE
IF.....
They were having sex outside of marriage going against biblical guidelines as to what sex is intended for in the first place
----which is not to foster and explore our sexual desires.
Sex was intended and created by our creator specifically FOR marriage.
A plan B pill exercises a free will choice outside of the guidelines of precisely what sex is for.
Which is...the union of a man and wife to become one flesh, one unity, for one goal and purpose, equally yoked with the woman following her man as the Lord, which represents and mirrors the perfect harmony and union we are to have with Christ.
Choosing to have sex outside of Gods guidelines is idolatry of the Self, thinking one is higher than God himself.
While the pill may be a temporary fix for the moment, the destruction of sinning against oneself has still commenced.
This destruction of trying out different partners for ones pleasure so to speak only causes untold internal psychological issues which sets up a habit for practicing divorce IE:"that person didnt work I'll find another"
On the flip side, remaining with one partner practices Godly guidelines of fidelity and faithfulness...
"including mental faithfulness".
How many people know grandparents who have been married 50 yrs or so.
They often married at the age of 18...looks like they were doing something right when compared to the divorce rates of today.
And yes much of this can be attributed to the mentality of the so called "free love" movement we saw in the 60's
Making sex ok at an age younger than adulthood strips away the choice of truth
Gods truth, which is what actually sets one free by understanding the tactics the enemy uses to drive a wedge between God and people who refuse to listen to him.
Whether a person dodges a bullet so to speak with regards to pregnancy at a young age when unprepared, they will still deal with the repercussions later in life, even if it is a mentally enlightening wakeup call.
Which is better, to wake up from the dream now through truth and enlightenment, or later after many hard knock lessons have been endured?
What kind of parent would you want?
The one who say yeah just do what you want, you'll figure it out on your own later
Or the parent who actually cares enough to take the time and effort to teach right from wrong.
Or is this the real issue and what you may be upset about within fighting for the right to make incorrect choices?
Did you wish your parents took the time to teach right from wrong
I for one can admit I wish my parents took time in more things to just say
"hey, no dont do that, and this is why"
The issue isnt what we believe here. Sure we believe people should be waiting until marriage but all the wishing in the world doesnt make that a reality. Hence, why a drug like this exists. If we were in a perfect christian society and everyone stayed celibate til marriage then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Christian site or not, you have to look at the world as it truly is...
K
MidnightWelder, It's fine and dandy that The Bible says not to have sex outside of marriage. But of course people will still do. It would probably be a much better world if everyone followed the Bible verbatim. But unfortunately, that is not the case. I don't feel those people should suffer and ruin their lives any further by NOT offering it for them. I realize everyone is supposed to save themselves for marriage. But thats just not going to be the case for everyone.
and Jinx, I do believe a 15 years old should have access to it. They might be too embarressed to go to their parents or a doctor. They might feel they have to do it in secret. I'd rather let them have it and not ruin there life, than them being too shy to get it if the only way is with an adult and end up having the kid when they are not ready and they are a kid too lets not forget.
and Jinx, I do believe a 15 years old should have access to it. They might be too embarressed to go to their parents or a doctor. They might feel they have to do it in secret. I'd rather let them have it and not ruin there life, than them being too shy to get it if the only way is with an adult and end up having the kid when they are not ready and they are a kid too lets not forget.