Plan-B

[Kisses1990]

Yes, thats precisely my concern too. I don't know a lot about the drug itself. But if it turned out it was safe beyond a reasonable doubt, then I wouldn't have a problem. Now, if it has some dangerous side effects, I will completely go back and say YES, but only WITH the presence of their parent or doctor. And thats my opinion.

 

[jinx]

yeah, but something as powerful as this plan b drug you would think that it would interact with other medications.
When the doctor gives me a new medicine to be on I go to a web site that searches for interactions with that new drug and even otc drugs.

 

[Kisses1990]

The issue isnt what we believe here. Sure we believe people should be waiting until marriage but all the wishing in the world doesnt make that a reality. Hence, why a drug like this exists. If we were in a perfect christian society and everyone stayed celibate til marriage then we wouldnt be having this discussion. Christian site or not, you have to look at the world as it truly is...

exactly what I was thinking!

 

[MidniteWelder]

MidnightWelder, It's fine and dandy that The Bible says not to have sex outside of marriage. But of course people will still do. It would probably be a much better world if everyone followed the Bible verbatim. But unfortunately, that is not the case. I don't feel those people should suffer and ruin their lives any further by NOT offering it for them. I realize everyone is supposed to save themselves for marriage. But thats just not going to be the case for everyone.

and Jinx, I do believe a 15 years old should have access to it. They might be too embarressed to go to their parents or a doctor. They might feel they have to do it in secret. I'd rather let them have it and not ruin there life, than them being too shy to get it if the only way is with an adult and end up having the kid when they are not ready and they are a kid too lets not forget.

Wouldn't you feel it wiser to treat the cause of a problem rather than focus on the symptom.
The cause of the problem is precisely pre-marital sex
the symptom of the problem is getting pregnant by engaging in what causes the problem in the first place.

For instance:
If you were to go to a doctor would you prefer he treat only the symptoms that arise in an illness or
teach you how to prevent becoming ill in the first place?

A decent plan B could be treating the symptoms then immediately curing what causes the problem in the first place as opposed to letting the patient figure out on their own how to stay healthy "spiritually healthy is as important as mentally healthy is as important as physically healthy"

But the first Good plan A should not be discarded in favor of practicing an alternative plan B in the first place,
A good Plan A is preventing the problem altogether.

Lets say a person becomes addicted to painkillers and then keeps hurting themselves so they can justify going to the doctor for more painkillers.
What are the repercussions of that except to reward destructive behavior?
A legitimate injury may warrant the use of painkillers sure.
On the same scope, providing a Plan B pill for teens only re-enforces and rewards the behavior of pre-marital sex when it is the premarital sex its very self which should be prevented...not the pregnancies simply because a pregnancy may be undesireable at the moment.

Yes, I understand we live in a fallen world, which IS THE PRECISE reason the gospel should be preached all the more,
not put down and overlooked as the First approach to any issue or problem.
Mans ways are not higher than Gods ways, which unfortunately is what is being seen preached here by many.

Now I ask you, which is more important, a person salvation, or that they live their life as they see fit.
Because if one lives as they choose and see's fit here and gets rewarded for it,
then they have already gotten their just reward.

 

[Kisses1990]

yeah, but something as powerful as this plan b drug you would think that it would interact with other medications.
When the doctor gives me a new medicine to be on I go to a web site that searches for interactions with that new drug and even otc drugs.

drugs.com? lol I go there too. That site is very informative and I would encourage anyone to use it...BUT, never accept diagnosis or any medical advice or interactions that you read on the internet....just for those of you readers out there...always best to actually check with your family doc!

 

[Kisses1990]

Wouldn't you feel it wiser to treat the cause of a problem rather than focus on the symptom.
The cause of the problem is precisely pre-marital sex
the symptom of the problem is getting pregnant by engaging in what causes the problem in the first place.

For instance:
If you were to go to a doctor would you prefer he treat only the symptoms that arise in an illness or
teach you how to prevent becoming ill in the first place?

A decent plan B could be treating the symptoms then immediately curing what causes the problem in the first place as opposed to letting the patient figure out to their own how to stay healthy "spiritually healthy is as important as mentally healthy is as important as physically healthy"

But the first plan A should not be discarded in favor of practicing a Good plan A in the first place, which is preventing the problem altogether.

Lets say a person becomes addicted to painkillers and then keeps hurting themselves so they can justify going to the doctor for more painkillers.
What are the repercussions of that except to reward destructive behavior?
A legitimate injury may warrant the use of painkillers sure.
On the same scope, providing a Plan B pill for teens only re-enforces and rewards the behavior of pre-marital sex when it is the premarital sex its very self which should be prevented...not the pregnancies simply because a pregnancy may be undesireable at the moment.

Yes, I understand we live in a fallen world, which IS THE PRECISE reason the gospel should be preached all the more,
not put down and overlooked as the First approach to any issue or problem.
Mans ways are not higher than Gods ways, which unfortunately is what is being seen preached here by many.

Now I ask you, which is more important, a person salvation, or that they live their life as they see fit.
Because if it one lives as they choose and see's fit here and get rewarded for it,
then they have already gotten their just reward.

My answer is that I think a good doctor would treat the symptoms AND teach you how to prevent. We should attack the "problem" full force with all means that we have at our disposal. Besides, you can't be naive and stick your head in the sand and just expect everyone to listen to these "preventative measures". Teaching people must occur. But, I wouldnt want to just forget about those poor people who didn't listen. In my perfect world, I'd try to teach but I'd also have something for the "symptoms" as you put it, as well.

You won't save everyone. Even in The Bible, it makes it clear what will happen if you believe it. Not everyone will be saved. Just the same, not everyone will listen to what you tell them. Teach yes, but also have the pill available as back up.

 

[MidniteWelder]

My answer is that I think a good doctor would treat the symptoms AND teach you how to prevent. We should attack the "problem" full force with all means that we have at our disposal. Besides, you can't be naive and stick your head in the sand and just expect everyone to listen to these "preventative measures". Teaching people must occur. But, I wouldnt want to just forget about those poor people who didn't listen. In my perfect world, I'd try to teach but I'd also have something for the "symptoms" as you put it, as well.

You won't save everyone. Even in The Bible, it makes it clear what will happen if you believe it. Not everyone will be saved. Just the same, not everyone will listen to what you tell them. Teach yes, but also have the pill available as back up.

But don't you see, they're going to face their consequences at some point whether they realize it or not.
they didnt dodge a bullet, they only put it off, thinking they escaped.
If a 15 yr old got pregant as a result of her own choices whether it be naivity or knew what she was doing, would it kill her?
Probably not
Would it be inconvenient
Probably so.
Would she have learned something very valuable earlier in life as opposed to later, most definitely.
Life isn't about fair and make everyone happy.
We're only here for one reason, and that reason is not up to us to decide.
Honestly I believe this world would be a much better place for owning up to and fessing up to every wrong doing a person commits right in the moment as opposed to putting it off and trying to escape.
Cuz we can't run from God, he's always there at every turn.
Instead we should run toward him.
Accept what we have coming justly and honestly.
Then once we have accepted that, follow God instead of trying to lead ourselves as if we really know what's best for ourselves

 

[Kisses1990]

Well again your speaking from a christian perspective (as you should), but you must realize not everyone believes in a god. I don't think it's right for ANY religion to dictate peoples lives who don't believe. I'd hate to live in a world where I was forced to live as any religion. That wouldn't be right. People can choose for themselves what they want to believe. And maybe they will be right, and maybe they will be wrong. But there is a big difference between believing, and being forced to live under the circumstances and rules and laws of a religion. I'm sure you wouldn't like it much if you were forced to live under Muslim or Pagan laws. Religion can teach it's concept of morality, but it shouldn't force it down anyone's throat. And if an Atheist, or a Satanist, or whatever decides they want to live with a slightly different ethical code than you, that is their business and I think they should have every right. You can't force people to believe or to think your way. I wouldn't want any religion necessarily controlling the laws. Too much room for corruption. And we already have plenty of corruption in our legal system and laws.

 

[MidniteWelder]

James 4:4

1What causes fights and quarrels among you? Don’t they come from your desires that battle within you?
2You desire but do not have, so you kill.(incl. babies) You covet but you cannot get what you want, so you quarrel and fight. You do not have because you do not ask God.
3When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives, that you may spend what you get on your pleasures.
4You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
5Or do you think Scripture says without reason that he jealously longs for the spirit he has caused to dwell in us?
6But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says:
“God opposes the proud
but shows favor to the humble.”

---The solution---
7Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
8Come near to God and he will come near to you. Wash your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. 9Grieve, mourn and wail. Change your laughter to mourning and your joy to gloom.
10Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will lift you up.

 

[Kisses1990]

You are still speaking to a christian audience that actually cares what The Bible says. It should be available in general for those that don't care about the Bible.

 

[jimmydiggs]

It's just interesting that the ones for birth control,
have already been born

All the arguments used for abortion are used for birth control. Go figure.

 

[MidniteWelder]

You are still speaking to a christian audience that actually cares what The Bible says. It should be available in general for those that don't care about the Bible.

Wait wait wait....wait wait wait.
So let me get this straight.
You're on a christian chat site,
asking for agreements
....from Christians
...to not care about Gods word
to support an agenda regarding what goes against not only our creator but your creator as well???
Good luck.

That's almost like someone, I'm not suggesting someone such as yourself, but someone...
going to an animal rescue shelter and trying to convince the facility to change their purpose to now begin putting all the animals to sleep because nobody wants them
because eh ya know who cares.


No. we dont speak just to a Christian audience,
ya see Miss Kisses...our job, our calling is more not to preach to the choir so to speak, because the choir already knows the song the conductor is leading.
but rather and more importantly to explicitely speak Gods word to a non-Christian audience as well for the very purpose being so that those who have NOT heard Gods word, for those who dont hear his voice for those who do not yet have eyes to see are introduced to and presented Gods living word so they can know God, the very one who saves and brings us life
This is why we don't agree with things which cause unnecessary death simply due to someones inconvenient decisions they may have made in the heat of the moment.
Heck if someone ticks ya off gets in your way why not just off them as well? What's next in the name of inconvenience?

 

[wwjd_kilden]

As has been said x pages back: It would be better to treat the problem than the symptom.

I think that today's culture says that you should "practice" having sex and that it is somehow part of "finding yourself" or something of the sort. I think we need to start teaching those growing up that if sex is really as amazing as everyone says, it would be a bad idea to waste it on someone you don't even know. (who might turn out to be a jerk).

Giving out pills as if it were bubble gum means they can do it without the consequences. If a 15- year old is old enough to have sex, she should be old enough to take the consequences of motherhood... No one in our part of the world is unaware of the fact that 1+1 often equals three.... However, as has been said, once society has gotten this way, removing such ... offers... might cause more harm than keeping them.

 

[Batman007]

As has been said x pages back: It would be better to treat the problem than the symptom.

I think that today's culture says that you should "practice" having sex and that it is somehow part of "finding yourself" or something of the sort. I think we need to start teaching those growing up that if sex is really as amazing as everyone says, it would be a bad idea to waste it on someone you don't even know. (who might turn out to be a jerk).

Giving out pills as if it were bubble gum means they can do it without the consequences. If a 15- year old is old enough to have sex, she should be old enough to take the consequences of motherhood... No one in our part of the world is unaware of the fact that 1+1 often equals three.... However, as has been said, once society has gotten this way, removing such ... offers... might cause more harm than keeping them.

"Giving out pills as if it were bubble gum" these pills are like 50 bucks a pop. Do you really think that any teenager - really any person, for that matter - is going to rely on Plan B as birth control? People take it if they made a mistake or the condom broke or something. If they're having sex regularly they're going to come up with a better method of protecting themselves.

 

[Kisses1990]

"Giving out pills as if it were bubble gum" these pills are like 50 bucks a pop. Do you really think that any teenager - really any person, for that matter - is going to rely on Plan B as birth control? People take it if they made a mistake or the condom broke or something. If they're having sex regularly they're going to come up with a better method of protecting themselves.

This is one of the points I have been trying to make all along! Thank you! These pills are not for regular birth control. People are speaking as if they are.

 

[G4JC]

The fact that this topic even exists on a Christian forum just proves how far Christians have fallen away from the faith in general and given into the group-think dialetic process of discussing the relativeness of morality even though absolute morality exists and is God-given by our creator with our own conscience and in His Word. Now we resort to killing the innocent for a mistake we made - instead of being caring about it and dealing with our consequences, we snipe them off. What a generation...

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

 

[sunnygurl]

BUT do you believe it should be an OTC drug available to 15 year old's without parent/doctor consent?

THAT is what this thread is about!!!!!!

No it should not be an OTC for a young person without a parent's consent at the very least.

In a perfect world all humans would wait for marriage before having sex and all humankind would be believers of Christ!!!!

 

[jinx]

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The fact that this topic even exists on a Christian forum just proves how far Christians have fallen away from the faith in general and given into the group-think dialetic process of discussing the relativeness of morality even though absolute morality exists and is God-given by our creator with our own conscience and in His Word. Now we resort to killing the innocent for a mistake we made - instead of being caring about it and dealing with our consequences, we snipe them off. What a generation...

Dude there is nothing wrong with discussing what's going on in the world. IN FACT one of the reasons I started this thread was because I'm sure some of us, like myself, have young girls growing up in there own homes. There is nothing wrong with this thread and it doesn't mean we have fallen away form the faith by thinking/talking about it.

get a grip.

 

[maxwel]

I'm not sure it's moral, but it could really make a lot of money.

Plan B - The morning after pill
Plan C - The morning after the morning after pill
Plan D - The morning after the morning after the morning after pill

I'm seeing an enormous product line.

Probably discounts for volume buyers.

 

[Batman007]

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The fact that this topic even exists on a Christian forum just proves how far Christians have fallen away from the faith in general and given into the group-think dialetic process of discussing the relativeness of morality even though absolute morality exists and is God-given by our creator with our own conscience and in His Word. Now we resort to killing the innocent for a mistake we made - instead of being caring about it and dealing with our consequences, we snipe them off. What a generation...

Who's getting killed? We're talking about Plan B, which you seem to be mistaking with an abortion. They're two very different things, my friend.

Also, I think it's good for people to have all kinds of discussions. How else will your own opinion be strengthened? People have different opinions, it's healthy to discuss them. Even if everyone on here had the same opinion, it's still good to talk about.