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Katy-follower

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Justamazed - do you hold to the belief that money is the mark of the beast? If this were correct then no one will be in Heaven, because all have used and still use it :)

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Though we are not of this world, we still live in it, so we follow the laws of the land we're in and need money to pay our mortgage, feed and clothe ourselves. (Obviously any laws that try to stop our fellowship with God in any way should be rejected)
 
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Justamazed - do you hold to the belief that money is the mark of the beast? If this were correct then no one will be in Heaven, because all have used and still use it :)

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar's. Though we are not of this world, we still live in it, so we follow the laws of the land we're in and need money to pay our mortgage, feed and clothe ourselves. (Obviously any laws that try to stop our fellowship with God in any way should be rejected)
Show me in the bible where it says that those who accept the mark of the beast are doomed. What I have highlighted is only in our imaginations. The truth is you are already in the house. your lights are on not because you pay the bills, but because the wires connected to the house run electricity to it. Money is the object behind the mark. In other words all forms of profit, whether physical or spiritual is the make up of the mark of the beast. As long as there is "Christians vs. Muslims" there will be accepting of the name of the beast or the number of his name. This is profitable. But in Christ or those who have died, there is no Christian vs. Muslim. All are one.
 

damombomb

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Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Rev says and they overcame for the testimony which they held and were slain for the word of God.We should also remember the beast in rev makes down fire come down from heaven and doeth great wonders. better to be an humble servant, the lord can reveal something to you if need be, himself by his spirit and word. or from the mouth of two or three witness's
 
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Fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. Rev says and they overcame for the testimony which they held and were slain for the word of God.We should also remember the beast in rev makes down fire come down from heaven and doeth great wonders. better to be an humble servant, the lord can reveal something to you if need be, himself by his spirit and word. or from the mouth of two or three witness's
The fear of God is indeed the BEGINNING of wisdom. And in this fear, one is a BABE in Christ. I am mature, meaning that my love has cast out that fear!

1 Corinthians 3:1-3

3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
 
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Show me in the bible where it says that those who accept the mark of the beast are doomed. What I have highlighted is only in our imaginations. The truth is you are already in the house. your lights are on not because you pay the bills, but because the wires connected to the house run electricity to it. Money is the object behind the mark. In other words all forms of profit, whether physical or spiritual is the make up of the mark of the beast. As long as there is "Christians vs. Muslims" there will be accepting of the name of the beast or the number of his name. This is profitable. But in Christ or those who have died, there is no Christian vs. Muslim. All are one.
Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:


so clear it's ridonkulous...
 

damombomb

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The fear of God is indeed the BEGINNING of wisdom. And in this fear, one is a BABE in Christ. I am mature, meaning that my love has cast out that fear!

1 Corinthians 3:1-3

3 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
Here is some meat or milk for you:
Rev14:9-12
[SUP]9 [/SUP]A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives its mark on their forehead or on their hand, [SUP]10 [/SUP]they, too, will drink the wine of God’s fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment will rise for ever and ever. There will be no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and its image, or for anyone who receives the mark of its name.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.
 
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Revelation 14:9-10 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:


so clear it's ridonkulous...
You are right. It is so clear is ridiculous!

Galatians 3:10

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

Ephesians 5:6

[SUP]6[/SUP]Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.
 
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It's unclear as to what you are trying to say. Please elaborate and verse 11 in Gal 3:10 give a little more explanation to what he was writing about.
 
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It's unclear as to what you are trying to say. Please elaborate and verse 11 in Gal 3:10 give a little more explanation to what he was writing about.
I'm saying that as long as we live by the traditions of what those of the past leave behind, we are under wrath.
 
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You do know that those passages aren't talking about that right? The passage in Galatians is talking about living by faith and not under the works of the law. It's not talking about all the traditions of the past but the law. In Ephesians 5 he's writing about living a holy life worthy of God and not listening to other people empty words. And that just my rank amateur interpretation.

Can anyone lend me some clarity? Am I on the right track here?
 
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Here it is in context.

Galations 3

3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have you experienced[SUP][b][/SUP] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? [SUP]5 [/SUP]So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?[SUP]6 [/SUP]So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
[SUP]10[/SUP]For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP] [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.[SUP][h][/SUP] [SUP]14 [/SUP]He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

You're on the right track on both passages. Not so sure where justamazed is trying to go with them.
 
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You do know that those passages aren't talking about that right? The passage in Galatians is talking about living by faith and not under the works of the law. It's not talking about all the traditions of the past but the law. In Ephesians 5 he's writing about living a holy life worthy of God and not listening to other people empty words. And that just my rank amateur interpretation.

Can anyone lend me some clarity? Am I on the right track here?

The law of God is simply to love God, and your neighbor as yourself. Being gay, lying, stealing, cheating, or whatever other thing to mention is an issue of man that goes into the grave at death. Resorting to this sort of specified law, by it we all die and wrath is poured on us. Tradition is paying bills to keep your house, car, etc. These things however is what is destroyed. We know the gay man goes into the ground along with the straight man. So to again build upon these principles that Christ done away with can only bring the things mentioned in the verses.
 
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Here it is in context.

Galations 3

3 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. [SUP]2 [/SUP]I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard?[SUP]3 [/SUP]Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]4 [/SUP]Have you experienced[SUP][b][/SUP] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? [SUP]5 [/SUP]So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?[SUP]6 [/SUP]So also Abraham “believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”[SUP][c][/SUP]
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Understand, then, that those who have faith are children of Abraham. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Scripture foresaw that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: “All nations will be blessed through you.”[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]9 [/SUP]So those who rely on faith are blessed along with Abraham, the man of faith.
[SUP]10[/SUP]For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.[SUP][f][/SUP] [SUP]12 [/SUP]The law is not based on faith; on the contrary, it says, “The person who does these things will live by them.”[SUP][g][/SUP] [SUP]13 [/SUP]Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.[SUP][h][/SUP] [SUP]14 [/SUP]He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

You're on the right track on both passages. Not so sure where justamazed is trying to go with them.
How is it that we live by faith when we live in a world in which I KNOW if I can secure a good job, I will have material prosperity while at the same time those who are less fortunate to get that type of job are either living pay check to pay check or starving. The animals who live in the wild, your lions, tigers and bears. They live by faith. They need not money to support their young, to house their families, etc. But we humans, made after God's image needs money to get along and survive?
 
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The law of God is simply to love God, and your neighbor as yourself. Being gay, lying, stealing, cheating, or whatever other thing to mention is an issue of man that goes into the grave at death. Resorting to this sort of specified law, by it we all die and wrath is poured on us. Tradition is paying bills to keep your house, car, etc. These things however is what is destroyed. We know the gay man goes into the ground along with the straight man. So to again build upon these principles that Christ done away with can only bring the things mentioned in the verses.
So your saying other then Gods greatest commandments the rest of the word of God and how He instructs us to live is of man?!? Thats outright blasphemous! God is very clear on a lot of the issues you listed its in the bible. His word. Read it please. I am done with this now. I pray for you. Please if you are a Christian (sorry I have my doubts) please read and study and pray more. Find someone near you mature in the word and study with them. Good luck friend.
 
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How is it that we live by faith when we live in a world in which I KNOW if I can secure a good job, I will have material prosperity while at the same time those who are less fortunate to get that type of job are either living pay check to pay check or starving. The animals who live in the wild, your lions, tigers and bears. They live by faith. They need not money to support their young, to house their families, etc. But we humans, made after God's image needs money to get along and survive?
That is NOT what that passage is speaking about. It is talking about being justified by the law or by being justified by faith. How you are getting something else out of there ????
 

zone

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As a matter of fact yes:
  1. I had a vision of myself preaching behind the pulpit...... happened on three separate occasions, the same vision every time. I was wearing gold rimmed glasses and a brown leisure suit.
  2. Through the years I have prayed for numerous people, during which I specifically prayed about certain issues in their lives that no one told me about. Several people have told me afterwards that I read their mail.
  3. It's happened many times during a sermon I would seemingly steer off topic for a few moments and then go right back to the sermon. After the service while shaking hands, some folks would tell me about the things I spoke about and said that I ministered distinctly unto them.
"I was wearing gold rimmed glasses and a brown leisure suit."

so, before or after you had the visions, once you became a pastor - you bought gold rimmed glasses and a brown leisure suit....right?

"Several people have told me afterwards that I read their mail."

this is a term i hear a lot.

"some folks would tell me about the things I spoke about and said that I ministered distinctly unto them."

when my pastor preaches directly from the word, i often feel the same way:)

1 Thessalonians 2:13
And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe.

Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active, sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing to the division of soul and of spirit, of joints and of marrow, and discerning the thoughts and intentions of the heart.

- "steer off topic for a few moments" i don't know what means...like, God interrupted the sermon to tell you something about someone? dunno:confused:

k...thx.
 

zone

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Matthew 23:25
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You clean the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of greed and self-indulgence.
Matthew 23:26
Blind Pharisee! First clean the inside of the cup and dish, and then the outside also will be clean.
Matthew 23:27
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean.
Matthew 23:29
“Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous.
okay...this is important enough for you to post x2.

anyone doubting some of those put forward as prophets/prophecies is receiving woes from Jesus and are Pharisees?
 

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"However, we can’t ignore those who are starving for fresh bread and fresh water from heaven. Their deep hunger pains can only be satisfied as we offer more of God’s presence, power and prophetic insight. We can do this by allowing the Lord to show up in our church services….without restraint. The world is craving a touch from the creator. We must provide the atmosphere and the opportunity for miracles to take place… I believe God is going to empower us by sending a new wave of revelation as a foundation for operating in the prophetic… (10)"
Evangelist Steve Hill


"To begin with the world is not “craving a touch from the Creator,” I guess Evangelist/prophet and now Pastor Hill has forgotten the following elementary Bible truth:

This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. John 3:19-20

You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. John 8:44

As it is written, There is none righteous, no not one: there is none that understand, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one Romans 3:10-12

No one comes to a saving faith in Jesus Christ of their own volition. The Father draws us to His Son by the working of the Holy Spirit (John 6:44). We are saved by GRACE alone through faith alone. The faith that saves is itself a GIFT from God (Ephesians 2:8) and not of human works.

Hill does not mention how “we” are to go about offering more of God’s presence, power and prophetic insight. He does not mention the reality of Baptism or the Lord’s Supper as means of God’s grace and presence. Nor does he ever mention the proclamation of the Gospel, which is the power of God unto everyone who believes (Romans 1:16). God’s Word is the infallible and totally sufficient prophetic insight, yet Hill means a fresh new revelation flowing from a restored prophet.

Hill says it is our job to provide the “atmosphere” and “opportunity” for miracles to take place. Just what does that mean? Talk about subjectivity! He does not state how we are to create this atmosphere and opportunity for miracles. He failed to produce such an atmosphere at Pensacola, maybe he has obtained some new “mystical” insight during the last seven years that he lacked back in the mid 90’s.

Hill says “I believe God is going to empower us…” but he does not say what he bases his faith on. His entire article does not cite one biblical text at all! He goes on to pontificate on what will characterize this next greatest outpouring. The new and unfamiliar” ways that God will empower His people seems to be in the arena making us peripatetic psychics:

He will reveal to us the depth of their cravings as if we were watching a documentary on starvation…

The spiritually sensitive are going to experience revelation knowledge of those who are dying of spiritual malnutrition and disease.

Hidden secrets with be revealed to the believer, and out of a heart of compassion, he or she will share them [the hidden secrets] with the lost to prove that Jesus Christ is alive. These words will be so direct and precise that conversations will take place. (11)

According to Hill during this next greatest outpouring God’s true saints are going to share these revelations that will be so “direct” and “precise” that people will be converted by our sharing them! What utter nonsense! Does Hill have any scriptures, even out of context to back up his assertions? No, none whatsoever. The Bible does say the following:

For the word of God is living and active. Sharper tan any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. Hebrews 4:12 For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 1 Corinthians 1:21

It is the Word of God that reveals the content of men’s hearts, not man mystically “anointed.” It is the seeming (to the world) foolishness of preaching the living Word of God that the Holy Spirit uses to convict the world of sin and draw people to Christ, not some demonstration of power. NEVER FORGET the Jews saw daily miracles for forty years in the desert and yet died there in UNBELIEF (Hebrews 3:19) Miracles do not create faith! Faith comes by hearing and hearing comes by the word of God (Romans 10:17)....

Hill, like Schuller places the emphasis on mans actions and not God’s drawing power through proclaiming the Gospel. Hill states:

My favorite prophetic words have always been those that are given outside the church walls. These are divine appointments that reach into the lives of people who often know nothing of biblical principles and doctrine. All they know is that some brave heart just read their mail. (13)

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That is NOT what that passage is speaking about. It is talking about being justified by the law or by being justified by faith. How you are getting something else out of there ????
I do not memorize verses, I search for the meaning. What is the law, and being justified by it?

What is faith, and what it means to be justified by it? And can you answer these questions without using the words "law" and "faith" in your descriptions of them?
 

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I do not memorize verses, I search for the meaning. What is the law, and being justified by it?

What is faith, and what it means to be justified by it? And can you answer these questions without using the words "law" and "faith" in your descriptions of them?
so far what i have gathered from you is (please correct me if i'm wrong):

God is okay with gay men remaining gay and engaging in homosexual sex....sin just goes into the grave when we die....everybody ends up saved.

what God is really concerned about - our mission should have been - take down the global monetary system and redistribute the wealth.

something like that?

what did Jesus suffer and die for again?