Is baptism Essential for salvation?

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notconformed2theworld

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Salvation is the work of Jesus and the holy spirit...let's look at Paul. He was saved then baptizedActs 9:17-18 KJV

And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost. And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
 
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So one is saved by getting dunked in water? :eek:
What can wash away my sin? Nothing but the blood of Jesus!
Water baptism is done for a good conscience, Apostle Peter said.


Not a full instruction huh? So what is the full instruction?


It is important to be baptised in obedience to Christ, but it's not what saves you. It is pretty clear in that passage that one is saved by God's grace through faith, not man's work.



:cool: Supporting this view with my own post
 
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The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ 1Peter 3:21


My comments are to prove through scripture that the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and by Water is essential:
Case point, the Apostle Peter gave emphasis to the importance of “Water Baptism” when he used the Biblical account of Noah:

1 Peter 3:19-22
19] By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20] Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21] The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
22] Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Note that Peter’s emphasis in this epistle to the intended audience was spiritually educated concerning the importance of the Holy Spirit; therefore, Peter is giving greater emphasis to “Water Baptism” as being “equally” essential to being saved.

Now consider what Paul had to say concerning “Water Baptism” as being essential for believers:

Paul in Ephesus
The following scriptures is an example of Water Baptized believers under “John’s Baptism” that had not received the “Holy Ghost/Spirit”; even the former “baptism” was replaced with the New Covenant baptism that Jesus made by the shedding of his blood.


Acts 19:1 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Acts 19:2 He said to them, Have you received the Holy Ghost since you believed? And they said to him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.

Acts 19:3 And he said to them, To what then were you baptized? And they said, To John's baptism.

Acts 19:4 Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

Acts 19:5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands on them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spoke with tongues, and prophesied.

Acts 19:7 And all the men were about twelve.


If there were any skeptics, this Church Elder was certain to record the events as separate in occurrence (receiving the Holy Ghost) and (re-Baptized in Water) performance; careful to emphasize that both are essential.

The scriptures give a clear mental picture of what is required when considering the “Baptism of the Holy Spirit” and that of the “Baptism in Water”. The Holy Spirit received as a gift from God, while the Baptism by Water is an act of obedience through faith. The works of that faith is submitting (obedience) to being ‘Water Baptized” (physically immersed) in the name of Jesus.
This is my understanding according to scriptures; (KJV).
I totally agree i find it funny that everyone always tries to argue that baptism is a work and that if Jesus died on the cross for our sins then being baptized can't be essential otherwise we are trying to "work" our way into heaven.

There are few problems with this and that line of thought.

1. The assumption is made that baptism is a work. The problem is baptism is not a work. It is an act of obedience in faith to what Jesus has said. Jesus said that you are to "repent and be baptized". It is not the water itself that saves you, it's the act of being obedient to what Jesus says to do that saves you and he says "repent and be baptized." If you choose to do one of the above and not the other you are taking away from what the bible says:

Revelation 22:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Water baptism is no different than repentance or confession. They are responses to believing in Jesus Christ because if you believe in Jesus then you are obedient to do what he says to be saved.

Galatians 3:27, "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." This is the only way a person can get into Christ. The preposition into indicates a change of relationship. You can search from the front to the back of your Bible, and you will find no other way to get into Christ except by being baptized into Christ. Also Romans 6:3 says the same thing, "Or do you not know, that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?"

2. The second thing is that everyone who tries to dismiss water baptism as a work and say it is not essential is they basically have to dismiss and change the meaning of every single verse that talks about water baptism and salvation. But if you look at the greek text and just look at the context of the passages especially acts 2:38 you can plainly see this verse is talking about water baptism. I am not saying every verse that mentions baptism is talking about water baptism, but this verse plainly is.

Also people try to make the argument that acts 2:38 means :because of the remission of sins" and not for the remission of sins but every english translation and every greek scholar i know would disagree with that. Make no mistake every translation translates this verse "for" the remission of sins not "because of the remission of sins" like i have heard from many people in the past try to make this verse say. None of them translate "eis" into "because of". These constitute the major works of the best Greek scholars of the past several centuries.


WHAT THE TRANSLATIONS SAY ABOUT THIS

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (MATTHEW 28:18). Teaching the gospel to all nations makes translating the Scriptures into various languages necessary. We have English translations because we speak English. How do the various English versions translate ACTS 2:38 from Greek to English? How many say the Greek word "eis" (for) means "because of" or something similar? Which translation do you use? What does it say?

"..and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.." (King James).
"..let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (New American Standard).
"..let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins.." (New King James).
"..and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven.." (Today's English).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (Challoner-Rheims).
"..be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven.." (New International - 1978 edition).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins.." (American Standard).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (Revised Standard).
".. each one of you must be immersed by the authority of Jesus the Messiah, so that your sins may be forgiven.." (Simple English Bible).

REPENTANCE AND BAPTISM ARE "FOR" THE SAME PURPOSE
"...Unless you repent you will all likewise perish" (LUKE 13:3). Very few would say that one is forgiven of his sins even before he repents of them. They would not say that one repents because his sins have already been forgiven. And they are right because the Bible says one must repent in order to receive forgiveness.

Interestingly enough, one of the verses of Scripture that teach this about repentance is ACTS 2:38. Even more to the point, it mentions two prerequisites to the remission of sins. One is repentance and the other is baptism! How can one split the verse down the middle accepting that repentance is necessary but not baptism?

People need to take Jesus at his word!
 
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I totally agree i find it funny that everyone always tries to argue that baptism is a work and that if Jesus died on the cross for our sins then being baptized can't be essential otherwise we are trying to "work" our way into heaven.

There are few problems with this and that line of thought.

1. The assumption is made that baptism is a work. The problem is baptism is not a work. It is an act of obedience in faith to what Jesus has said. Jesus said that you are to "repent and be baptized". It is not the water itself that saves you, it's the act of being obedient to what Jesus says to do that saves you and he says "repent and be baptized." If you choose to do one of the above and not the other you are taking away from what the bible says:

Revelation 22:18-20
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Water baptism is no different than repentance or confession. They are responses to believing in Jesus Christ because if you believe in Jesus then you are obedient to do what he says to be saved.

Galatians 3:27, "For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ." This is the only way a person can get into Christ. The preposition into indicates a change of relationship. You can search from the front to the back of your Bible, and you will find no other way to get into Christ except by being baptized into Christ. Also Romans 6:3 says the same thing, "Or do you not know, that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?"

2. The second thing is that everyone who tries to dismiss water baptism as a work and say it is not essential is they basically have to dismiss and change the meaning of every single verse that talks about water baptism and salvation. But if you look at the greek text and just look at the context of the passages especially acts 2:38 you can plainly see this verse is talking about water baptism. I am not saying every verse that mentions baptism is talking about water baptism, but this verse plainly is.

Also people try to make the argument that acts 2:38 means :because of the remission of sins" and not for the remission of sins but every english translation and every greek scholar i know would disagree with that. Make no mistake every translation translates this verse "for" the remission of sins not "because of the remission of sins" like i have heard from many people in the past try to make this verse say. None of them translate "eis" into "because of". These constitute the major works of the best Greek scholars of the past several centuries.


WHAT THE TRANSLATIONS SAY ABOUT THIS

"Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit" (MATTHEW 28:18). Teaching the gospel to all nations makes translating the Scriptures into various languages necessary. We have English translations because we speak English. How do the various English versions translate ACTS 2:38 from Greek to English? How many say the Greek word "eis" (for) means "because of" or something similar? Which translation do you use? What does it say?

"..and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.." (King James).
"..let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (New American Standard).
"..let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins.." (New King James).
"..and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven.." (Today's English).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (Challoner-Rheims).
"..be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven.." (New International - 1978 edition).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ unto the remission of your sins.." (American Standard).
"..be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.." (Revised Standard).
".. each one of you must be immersed by the authority of Jesus the Messiah, so that your sins may be forgiven.." (Simple English Bible).

REPENTANCE AND BAPTISM ARE "FOR" THE SAME PURPOSE
"...Unless you repent you will all likewise perish" (LUKE 13:3). Very few would say that one is forgiven of his sins even before he repents of them. They would not say that one repents because his sins have already been forgiven. And they are right because the Bible says one must repent in order to receive forgiveness.

Interestingly enough, one of the verses of Scripture that teach this about repentance is ACTS 2:38. Even more to the point, it mentions two prerequisites to the remission of sins. One is repentance and the other is baptism! How can one split the verse down the middle accepting that repentance is necessary but not baptism?

People need to take Jesus at his word!
Baptism is necessary. You read "water" into Acts 2:38 which no where in it's context mentions water.

Baptism does not mean water. Baptism means, "to immerse, submerge; to make overwhelmed".

It is you and those with like minds as you that insists this means with literal water.

Yet, all you can do is claim that water is implied and to do that you ignore much relative scripture, picking only one or two verses which when misapplied seem to make your claim valid.

The problem is that you wish to hold onto what became accepted practice rather than seeing that if what you say were so, then there would have been evidence leading up to it in the things that Jesus spoke while he was yet alive in the flesh. But there is no such evidence as that clearly Jesus never said that a second water baptism was required.

John's baptism was for sins committed against that Old law Covenant only by those who were under that Old Law Covenant, which also is shown in that Jesus said, Matthew 15:24 "But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel".

That is why we do not find John's baptism ever required of the Gentiles, but we only see it required of those Jews under the Law. It was for the purpose of preparing the way in the hearts of the Jews to accept Christ as the end of that Old Law Covenant. Luke 16:16 "The law and the prophets were until [which includes] John: since that time [since John's time] the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it."

John was the last Prophet of that Old Law Covenant to testify, Matthew 11:13 "For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John." John was related through blood to the priesthood of Arron and that priesthood ended with that Old law Covenant, so that Christ became a priest not after the manner of Arron but after the manner of Melchizedek. John was definitely the Last Prophet of that Old Law Covenant preceding the prophet greater than Moses whose role Jesus Christ himself fulfilled. (See Hebrews 3:1-6 and compare, Acts 3:22-26)

By repenting of their sins against that Old Law Covenant they were confessing that they were unable to fully keep that Old Law Covenant and accepting that old Law was but a temporary schoolmaster leading to Christ. That is why there is absolutely no mention of John's baptism ever going out to the Gentiles.

Galatians 3:24 "Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith."

Galatians 3:25 "But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster."

That is enough for this post.

Remember, the only wall to finding out what we don't yet know is that wall of thinking we already know. That fleshly face has hindered us all for sometime now. But it is time to get over it.
 
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I was immersed into water literally but I don't believe it's the water that saves. It's the Holy Spirit and the blood from the crucifixion of Christ which saves! However, we must understand Jesus himself was also baptized so there is a symbolic event happening and an act of obedience going on.
 
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Baptism is necessary. You read "water" into Acts 2:38 which no where in it's context mentions water.

Baptism does not mean water. Baptism means, "to immerse, submerge; to make overwhelmed".

It is you and those with like minds as you that insists this means with literal water.

Yet, all you can do is claim that water is implied and to do that you ignore much relative scripture, picking only one or two verses which when misapplied seem to make your claim valid.
You are partially correct in saying that baptism mean to immerse, submerge, but you failed to mention that the full definition in

Thayers Lexicon :


1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

The Jews were familiar with water baptism because they knew the baptism of John (Mark 1:4-5) like you mentioned previously, which was certainly a water baptism, and the baptism of Jesus (John 4:1-3).Yes this was a different baptism back then, but that had nothing to do with proving or disproving that Acts 2:38 means water baptism or not.


Jesus himself was baptized in water (Matthew 3:13-17). Water baptism is the only baptism that is “for the remission of sins” or to “wash away” sins. If it is supposed that the baptism of Acts 2:38 is a reference to the baptism of the Spirit several things must be noted. First, the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not a command. Acts 2:38 is a command in response to the inquiry regarding the conditions of salvation.

Second, even those who believe in a present day baptism of the Holy Spirit do not relate it to the remission of sins. They contend that it is a “second blessing” that comes to one after remission of sins.
 
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I was immersed into water literally but I don't believe it's the water that saves. It's the Holy Spirit and the blood from the crucifixion of Christ which saves! However, we must understand Jesus himself was also baptized so there is a symbolic event happening and an act of obedience going on.
Why did Jesus get baptized by John, being as John was baptizing for repentance of sins against that Old Law Covenant as the last prophet of that Old Law Covenant?

Matthew 3:14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.
16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Once you figure that out, ask yourself if you are able to do the same, or if it would be only Jesus who could do that?
 

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Some see but not all.

Matthew 20:22 But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

Now, zone, what is the baptism in the name of Jesus Christ?
And how is the Holy Spirit involved in that?
the baptism He spoke of there was His suffering and death.
i thought you knew that.
please don't spiritualize that to mean what He mean by baptising them in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

baptized in water.
that's the commandment.
 

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Yes, that is what adding the words (IN WATER) there is as doing.

Listen to Jesus tell you what that baptism is as shown in my post just before this one.
you go back and take another look at the baptism He was speaking of there.
don't you know context determines the meaning?
 

zone

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My uncle put it so good one day... He says there is a lot of CROCODILES out there that wants to pull you to the water,,, WELL SAID DOLF! ADOLF!!!
just look at the mockery of the Lord's Command.
oh well...that's on your head.
 
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You are partially correct in saying that baptism mean to immerse, submerge, but you failed to mention that the full definition in

Thayers Lexicon :


1) to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)
2) to cleanse by dipping or submerging, to wash, to make clean with water, to wash one's self, bathe

The Jews were familiar with water baptism because they knew the baptism of John (Mark 1:4-5) like you mentioned previously, which was certainly a water baptism, and the baptism of Jesus (John 4:1-3).Yes this was a different baptism back then, but that had nothing to do with proving or disproving that Acts 2:38 means water baptism or not.


Jesus himself was baptized in water (Matthew 3:13-17). Water baptism is the only baptism that is “for the remission of sins” or to “wash away” sins. If it is supposed that the baptism of Acts 2:38 is a reference to the baptism of the Spirit several things must be noted. First, the baptism of the Holy Spirit was not a command. Acts 2:38 is a command in response to the inquiry regarding the conditions of salvation.

Second, even those who believe in a present day baptism of the Holy Spirit do not relate it to the remission of sins. They contend that it is a “second blessing” that comes to one after remission of sins.
You are wrong that number 2) to is a defintion. Number 2) only expresses a particular application to which the only true definition it gives in 1) may be applied.

Even Thayers Lexicon has no authority to change the meaning of a Greek word. And the meaning of that word in Greek has not hint of what that submersion must be in.

That is cute, though. That is how a young child hangs on every word of it's parent, not recognizing the difference between an elaborated example and a definition.

There is no hint of being wet in the Greek word, either. Such is but another man's attempt to assist understanding.
 
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The Babtism is not water here it is the Holy Ghost with Fire
to be baptized with fire means judgment.
and in the case of John's statement - judgment unto damnation.

but you got a lot of people crying - OH FIRE! lord! fire..more fire.

they are the ones who stagger and reel drunk in the spirit.
 
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I don't understand what the big deal is. Just get baptized. Yeah, in water. Why do we fight against this so hard? It's just weird. How hard is it? He asked us to do it. So let's just do it.
 

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So Zone please let me get this straight you only beleive in water Baptism? Thanks for your answer in this in advance just curious

i've already posted on this previously in this thread.

people who despise and ridicule baptism...well....

Mark 16:16
Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.

people who don't believe the simple gospel ridicule baptism.
soooo.....for what it's worth
 

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I don't understand what the big deal is. Just get baptized. Yeah, in water. Why do we fight against this so hard? It's just weird. How hard is it? He asked us to do it. So let's just do it.
it's another marker of dispensationalism.
that's where it came from.
 
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to be baptized with fire means judgment.
and in the case of John's statement - judgment unto damnation.

but you got a lot of people crying - OH FIRE! lord! fire..more fire.

they are the ones who stagger and reel drunk in the spirit.
You are right. It does however not necessarily mean adverse judgement, though it can.

It most usually refers to judgments like as we see when we compare these next two Bible texts:

1 Peter 4:17 "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?"

1 Corinthians 3:13 "Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is."

I was saving that for later as I do see that many think the flames of fire on their heads at Pentecost was that baptism by fire.

Thank you for reminding me. Even that baptism of fire upon unfaithful Jerusalem was to cause them to repent if they would be willing. God is about saving if at all possible rather than destroying.
 
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People are always getting the spiritual and the physical mixed up. We are in the physical, it is through the Holy Spirit that our spiritual eyes are opened. God taught the Hebrews, mainly by using their physical understanding. Their very language helped them with that, for when they wanted to express a spiritual concept they used the physical expression of that and to them, that explained it. In our language we say love, in early Hebrew they say bring gifts. It means the same.

Some of the Jews got this mixed up, just like we do. They did what was required physically, but didn't let that go over into the spiritual so it was useless. Christ explained this when he taught about fasting and prayer. We get it mixed up at times the other way around. We say we do the spiritual so we are not to do the physical. God is teaching, ever since we received the Holy Spirit, through teaching the spiritual just as God taught before through teaching the physical. It is the same teaching, just a different approach.

When the Jews told the gentiles they had to become Jews all the way including taking on the culture of the Jews, especially Paul explained what God had to say about that. We don't have to. But we are to let the law reflect in our physical. God says that faith without works is dead. And we should know that works without faith is also dead.

Even Christ used the physical as he did the spiritual, Christ used our water when He was baptized. I don't think that God is watching to see exactly how we use it, or God would have given orders about the ritual we are to do to perform this spiritual act. If Christ used the symbol of water for baptizing, I certainly am going to follow that.
 
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I also have to say; does everything come down to, ''if I don't do it, will I not be saved???" Why ask that? What's that got to do with it? Do we Christians ever do anything just because God asked us to? All I ever hear is, "if it's not a salvation issue, why discuss it?" That's disgusting! Like that's all our love for God is about? Getting ourselves saved? Do we actually love our God at all outside what He can do for us?
 
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This is what I believe.... (look out the oneness chic is about to speak ;))

the gospel is the death, burial, and resurrection of the LORD JESUS Christ.

death= repentance
burial= baptism
resurrection= infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT

Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.


Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;



Act 2:37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.
 
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I don't understand what the big deal is. Just get baptized. Yeah, in water. Why do we fight against this so hard? It's just weird. How hard is it? He asked us to do it. So let's just do it.
I already have said that a number of times. The point here is not anything to do with it being wrong. The point is opening eyes to see spiritually, even as Paul struggled to do with the Corinthian congregation. You can see that clearly in about the first few chapters of 1st Corinthians.