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Thanks. Now please show me where the Bible says that water Baptism is not necessary if an individual is baptized with the Holy Spirit.[/QUOTE]
did by answering a post make me your butler?
Or did u think i said anything about whether water baptism now not being necessary?
or were you talking to whoever?[/QUOTE]
It is to "whoever". I have read what you believe. I understand it was not clearly stated. But thank you. Just wanted someone to put it up so we can move past the fact that it is in the Bible. I got carried away with the passion of the subject.
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All the scriptures I have read in this forum is correct, but it ALSO says in
Mark 16:16 "He that believes AND is BAPTIZED shall be saved...
So, what then, is that just out of context?
I used to believe you only got baptized to show you were not ashamed to
show you were a Christian. I was taught that Baptism was just a symbolic
act of faith that you have been washed and cleaned of all past sins.
But now, reading that scripture, I am somewhat confused. H'm...
Mark 16:16 "He that believes AND is BAPTIZED shall be saved...
So, what then, is that just out of context?
I used to believe you only got baptized to show you were not ashamed to
show you were a Christian. I was taught that Baptism was just a symbolic
act of faith that you have been washed and cleaned of all past sins.
But now, reading that scripture, I am somewhat confused. H'm...
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I personally don't see why there is any confusion about baptism being Essential for salvation.
Jesus explained salvation or the "born again" experience in John 3:5 "born of water and Spirit"
Peter in Acts 2--"----be baptized(dipped, covered with water) for the REMMISSION of sins--"
Another example is in Acts 10:47:48 Cornelius and his household had received the Holy Ghost, Peter commanded them to be BAPTIZED. If you recall Peter had the keys to the Kingdom of God and he preached the same message in Acts 2 as he gave Cornelius. Study Acts 10 and Acts 11. Acts 11 is an overview of what happened in Acts 10.P gave
All the step of salvation are the same for everyone, no one is saved differently. Even though Cornelius was a Gentile the steps for salvation were the same.
In Acts Cornelius sent for Peter after an Angel told Cornelius to do so.
In Acts 11:14 Peter told Cornelius "words, whereby thou(Cornelius) and all thy house shall be saved." In Acts 10 they were baptized. It doesn't say Cornelius was baptized " for the remission of his sins" but why should it, when the same example is found in Acts 2?I n Acts 11:14 Peter told Cornelius "words, whereby thou(Cornelius) and all thy house shall be saved."
In Romans 6 being baptized into Christ,we are baptized into his death,. When we are baptized with him we are raised to walk in NEWNESS of life. Our old man is dead. We should not serve sin.Our sins?--remission!!!. Baptism is for remission of sins. WE can let the scriptures speak for themselves--you can twist the scriptures to fit your purpose--but the scripture still say the same thing. Water baptism doth now save us.
Jesus explained salvation or the "born again" experience in John 3:5 "born of water and Spirit"
Peter in Acts 2--"----be baptized(dipped, covered with water) for the REMMISSION of sins--"
Another example is in Acts 10:47:48 Cornelius and his household had received the Holy Ghost, Peter commanded them to be BAPTIZED. If you recall Peter had the keys to the Kingdom of God and he preached the same message in Acts 2 as he gave Cornelius. Study Acts 10 and Acts 11. Acts 11 is an overview of what happened in Acts 10.P gave
All the step of salvation are the same for everyone, no one is saved differently. Even though Cornelius was a Gentile the steps for salvation were the same.
In Acts Cornelius sent for Peter after an Angel told Cornelius to do so.
In Acts 11:14 Peter told Cornelius "words, whereby thou(Cornelius) and all thy house shall be saved." In Acts 10 they were baptized. It doesn't say Cornelius was baptized " for the remission of his sins" but why should it, when the same example is found in Acts 2?I n Acts 11:14 Peter told Cornelius "words, whereby thou(Cornelius) and all thy house shall be saved."
In Romans 6 being baptized into Christ,we are baptized into his death,. When we are baptized with him we are raised to walk in NEWNESS of life. Our old man is dead. We should not serve sin.Our sins?--remission!!!. Baptism is for remission of sins. WE can let the scriptures speak for themselves--you can twist the scriptures to fit your purpose--but the scripture still say the same thing. Water baptism doth now save us.
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did by answering a post make me your butler?
Or did u think i said anything about whether water baptism now not being necessary?
or were you talking to whoever?[/QUOTE]
It is to "whoever". I have read what you believe. I understand it was not clearly stated. But thank you. Just wanted someone to put it up so we can move past the fact that it is in the Bible. I got carried away with the passion of the subject.[/QUOTE]
ive not yet said what i believe. You must have superpowers
Or did u think i said anything about whether water baptism now not being necessary?
or were you talking to whoever?[/QUOTE]
It is to "whoever". I have read what you believe. I understand it was not clearly stated. But thank you. Just wanted someone to put it up so we can move past the fact that it is in the Bible. I got carried away with the passion of the subject.
[/QUOTE]ive not yet said what i believe. You must have superpowers
It is just so difficult to understand how anyone of you think that the New Testament speaks what is not in the Old Testament, as you know that the only scripture those whom you read about in the New Testament had were the Old Testament writings.
They did not ever say, Water baptism doth now save us, at all, and you cannot find any such verse in the NT.
Their words and the idea of "dipping", which is their total thought in using the word baptism, was born here, and you have no excuse to not know it:
Exodus 12:22 "And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning."
The thought of that dipping or baptism at 1 Peter 3:21 is the dipping in the blood of Jesus.
Now enough of your nonsense about them reverencing plain water.
They did not go around inventing new beliefs. They obeyed what was written of the OT.
They did not ever say, Water baptism doth now save us, at all, and you cannot find any such verse in the NT.
Their words and the idea of "dipping", which is their total thought in using the word baptism, was born here, and you have no excuse to not know it:
Exodus 12:22 "And ye shall take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the bason, and strike the lintel and the two side posts with the blood that is in the bason; and none of you shall go out at the door of his house until the morning."
The thought of that dipping or baptism at 1 Peter 3:21 is the dipping in the blood of Jesus.
Now enough of your nonsense about them reverencing plain water.
They did not go around inventing new beliefs. They obeyed what was written of the OT.
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was man on the cross next to Jesus baptisted. Did Johns baptism lead to salvation. Baptism like marriage is a declaration to the world. It is a cleansing declaring repentance. True repentance is only possible through the holy spirit in us, otherwise we would be saving ourselves. Jesus did everything on the cross, saying he didn't is another faith, not one that i know. You can quote scriptures all day long but i suggest you read the whole book.
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It is to "whoever". I have read what you believe. I understand it was not clearly stated. But thank you. Just wanted someone to put it up so we can move past the fact that it is in the Bible. I got carried away with the passion of the subject. [/QUOTE]
ive not yet said what i believe. You must have superpowers[/QUOTE]
this is not the only thread I have listen to what you believe. You have said allot about what you believe. But this is not my forte. many would engage this type of dialogue. I respect you and extend you brotherly love, unconditionally.
[/QUOTE]ive not yet said what i believe. You must have superpowers
[/QUOTE]this is not the only thread I have listen to what you believe. You have said allot about what you believe. But this is not my forte. many would engage this type of dialogue. I respect you and extend you brotherly love, unconditionally.
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Moses and David and Abraham was under the old covenant. The old testament. Their testament ways of remission of sins, which wasn't really a remission cause it never really cleaned their sins away just rolled it forward was that of the shedding of animals blood.
When JESUS became the perfect sacrifice for our sins we no longer needed the animals blood. There was a new testament, because a testator had died.
So now with the new covenant in place there are new rules. Repentance, baptism and infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT that saves.
When JESUS became the perfect sacrifice for our sins we no longer needed the animals blood. There was a new testament, because a testator had died.
So now with the new covenant in place there are new rules. Repentance, baptism and infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT that saves.