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Because your false doctrine has been exposed.
This is not a rapture debate or who the final kingdom of Daniel chapter 2 is. Those are discussions that leave lots of room for interpretation. This is a discussion about salvation. The Gospel is the foundation of the faith. So again, I had to rebuke you with Scripture because there is extreme danger in just posting a false gospel.
Again, I pray that you will seek The Lord and search Scripture to understand the Biblical Gospel and how the OT patriarchs were actually saved.
This is not a rapture debate or who the final kingdom of Daniel chapter 2 is. Those are discussions that leave lots of room for interpretation. This is a discussion about salvation. The Gospel is the foundation of the faith. So again, I had to rebuke you with Scripture because there is extreme danger in just posting a false gospel.
Again, I pray that you will seek The Lord and search Scripture to understand the Biblical Gospel and how the OT patriarchs were actually saved.
J
1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism (G908) doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
G908
βάπτισμα
baptisma
bap'-tis-mah
From G907; baptism (technically or figuratively): - baptism.
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.
G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
nuff said, cause I have said it all before.
G908
βάπτισμα
baptisma
bap'-tis-mah
From G907; baptism (technically or figuratively): - baptism.
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.
G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
nuff said, cause I have said it all before.
Can we be permitted to put to the test what you have said in #2?
Let's first layout what you said, alongside with what Paul said, from which you draw that idea:
You said, "Where there are works, there is no grace."
Please specify whether you mean, if God required there to be any work at all for him to use as the basis of his giving grace, then grace would not be grace. Is that what you are saying?
And then complete the list for us below as to things Paul said which you base your idea upon:
(1) Romans 3:27 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
(2) Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth"
(3) Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
(4) Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Let's first layout what you said, alongside with what Paul said, from which you draw that idea:
You said, "Where there are works, there is no grace."
Please specify whether you mean, if God required there to be any work at all for him to use as the basis of his giving grace, then grace would not be grace. Is that what you are saying?
And then complete the list for us below as to things Paul said which you base your idea upon:
(1) Romans 3:27 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
(2) Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
"(3) Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
(4) Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
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Let's look at the verse in context:
[SUP]"18 [/SUP]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:[SUP]19 [/SUP]By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."
[SUP]
The meaning of the passage is this: The Lord Jesus Christ died, was buried and resurrected. That was His Baptism. In the time of His death, He descended into the lower parts of the Earth or Hades and preached to the disobedient spirits there. Those were the same spirits who sinned prior to the flood. Peter then references the flood and the ark, specifically, which was a foreshadow of Jesus Christ in the sense of its salvation. It is also a forehsadow of water baptism which is an antetype of the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord.
So the "baptism" in verse 21 is the baptism of Christ, which indeed saves us from sin.
Our Lord confirmed this Himself:
"[/SUP] [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." - Matthew 20
[SUP]
The Baptism being referred to here is DEATH. And that is the baptism Peter is speaking of. Because Christ's death and resurrection, or His "baptism" indeed saves us who believe in the Biblical Gospel.[/SUP]
[SUP]"18 [/SUP]For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:[SUP]19 [/SUP]By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him."
[SUP]
The meaning of the passage is this: The Lord Jesus Christ died, was buried and resurrected. That was His Baptism. In the time of His death, He descended into the lower parts of the Earth or Hades and preached to the disobedient spirits there. Those were the same spirits who sinned prior to the flood. Peter then references the flood and the ark, specifically, which was a foreshadow of Jesus Christ in the sense of its salvation. It is also a forehsadow of water baptism which is an antetype of the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord.
So the "baptism" in verse 21 is the baptism of Christ, which indeed saves us from sin.
Our Lord confirmed this Himself:
"[/SUP] [SUP]21 [/SUP]And he said unto her, What wilt thou? She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with: but to sit on my right hand, and on my left, is not mine to give, but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father." - Matthew 20
[SUP]
The Baptism being referred to here is DEATH. And that is the baptism Peter is speaking of. Because Christ's death and resurrection, or His "baptism" indeed saves us who believe in the Biblical Gospel.[/SUP]
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Can we be permitted to put to the test what you have said in #2?
Let's first layout what you said, alongside with what Paul said, from which you draw that idea:
You said, "Where there are works, there is no grace."
Please specify whether you mean, if God required there to be any work at all for him to use as the basis of his giving grace, then grace would not be grace. Is that what you are saying?
And then complete the list for us below as to things Paul said which you base your idea upon:
(1) Romans 3:27 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
(2) Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth"
(3) Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
(4) Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
Let's first layout what you said, alongside with what Paul said, from which you draw that idea:
You said, "Where there are works, there is no grace."
Please specify whether you mean, if God required there to be any work at all for him to use as the basis of his giving grace, then grace would not be grace. Is that what you are saying?
And then complete the list for us below as to things Paul said which you base your idea upon:
(1) Romans 3:27 "Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith."
(2) Romans 9:11 "(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
"(3) Romans 11:6 "And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work."
(4) Ephesians 2:9 "Not of works, lest any man should boast."
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1Pe 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism (G908) doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
G908
βάπτισμα
baptisma
bap'-tis-mah
From G907; baptism (technically or figuratively): - baptism.
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.
G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
nuff said, cause I have said it all before.
G908
βάπτισμα
baptisma
bap'-tis-mah
From G907; baptism (technically or figuratively): - baptism.
G907
βαπτίζω
baptizō
bap-tid'-zo
From a derivative of G911; to make whelmed (that is, fully wet); used only (in the New Testament) of ceremonial ablution, especially (technically) of the ordinance of Christian baptism: - baptist, baptize, wash.
G911
βάπτω
baptō
bap'-to
A primary verb; to whelm, that is, cover wholly with a fluid; in the New Testament only in a qualified or specific sense, that is, (literally) to moisten (a part of one’s person), or (by implication) to stain (as with dye): - dip.
nuff said, cause I have said it all before.