Is baptism Essential for salvation?

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A-Omega

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can't get rid of me that easy Omega. a person has to sleep sometime, some of us work for a living.
You keep saying I want you to leave, when I have said absolutely nothing about you leaving or staying ever in any post. I am talking about the false gospel you are preaching and your incorrect doctrine.

You have incorrectly explained salvation for the Biblical patriarchs several times. And rather than pray to The Lord or study the Holy Bible, you are just glorying in your error.
 
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Phillipians 3 should answer this:
Philippians 3:1-21

New King James Version (NKJV)

All for Christ

3 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation! [SUP]3 [/SUP]For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh, [SUP]4[/SUP]though I also might have confidence in the flesh. If anyone else thinks he may have confidence in the flesh, I more so: [SUP]5 [/SUP]circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee; [SUP]6 [/SUP]concerning zeal, persecuting the church; concerning the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. [SUP]8[/SUP]Yet indeed I also count all things loss for the excellence of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them as rubbish, that I may gain Christ [SUP]9[/SUP]and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith; [SUP]10 [/SUP]that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, being conformed to His death, [SUP]11 [/SUP]if, by any means, I may attain to the resurrection from the dead.
Pressing Toward the Goal

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. [SUP]13 [/SUP]Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, [SUP]14 [/SUP]I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Nevertheless, to the degree that we have already attained, let us walk by the same rule, let us be of the same mind.
Our Citizenship in Heaven

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, join in following my example, and note those who so walk, as you have us for a pattern. [SUP]18 [/SUP]For many walk, of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ: [SUP]19 [/SUP]whose end is destruction, whose god is their belly, and whose glory is in their shame—who set their mind on earthly things. [SUP]20[/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]21 [/SUP]who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
Amen, that is in perfect harmony with what I said. For we see that confusing it to peoples minds that they do not need works at all is actually an idea created first as an accusation by those who insisted that Old Law must yet be observed claiming we were saying we needed no law at all as in we are completely without law.

Yet we know the truth is that we are not without law, but under the law of the love that is of Christ regulating as a law in our hearts. But we know that we are not under that external written code of laws consisting of decrees of do's and don'ts as though rough treatment of our bodies by external commandment would correct the corruption of our spirit.

There is a huge difference there.
 
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Salvation is the work of God. Man need not do a thing but praise Him.
 
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jinx

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You keep saying I want you to leave, when I have said absolutely nothing about you leaving or staying ever in any post. I am talking about the false gospel you are preaching and your incorrect doctrine.

You have incorrectly explained salvation for the Biblical patriarchs several times. And rather than pray to The Lord or study the Holy Bible, you are just glorying in your error.

I can't make you see your mistakes can I? Guess I will just have to put up with your constant insults towards me.
 
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So water Babtism then is not a requirment for Salvation then is it?
What about Holy Ghost Babtism is it needed for one to be saved?
And you are still not answering why John said he must dcrease, (water Babtism) and Christ must increase?
it appears we agree that water Babtism is not a requirment for salvation, but definately is a good Conscious towards God and thank you for the welcome back as I am surely not here to tear up the body of Christ just looking to rightly divide the word of truth
Homie, they was commanded to be water baptized even after the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT.

If GOD wants us to do something, and we turn around and say, "no GOD I don't have to do that since I already got the very thing that will get me to heaven. thanks but no thanks."

Wouldn't that be a SIN?
 
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Oh and HOMIE.....

you didn't answer my question, does one just believe, or do they have to repent as well?
 
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I can't make you see your mistakes can I? Guess I will just have to put up with your constant insults towards me.
How were Abraham, Moses and David saved? You have yet to explain it. All you have said was they were under different covenants and required to keep the ordinances of the law. I assume by now you realize that would be impossible because it would mean those men lived in sinless perfection, which we know, Biblically, that they did not. You then suggested that a bull's blood saved them. So how were they saved?
 

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I knew that one would be difficult for you when I wrote it. But fear not. Have faith in God's word just as you do, and I will help you grasp what was said there. But first resolve what I asked in post #861
I had no difficulty in seeing waht God showed me through the poist and worte it accordingly
 
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How were Abraham, Moses and David saved? You have yet to explain it. All you have said was they were under different covenants and required to keep the ordinances of the law. I assume by now you realize that would be impossible because it would mean those men lived in sinless perfection, which we know, Biblically, that they did not. You then suggested that a bull's blood saved them. So how were they saved?

dude I am so done with you.
I already answered this question about the OT and NT ways.
YET every time I do answer you , you fling pooh at me saying how "lost i am" or how i am "preaching a false gospel" and you REBUKE me.

do you really take me seriously?
do you really want my point of view, which I have given many many times,

or do you just enjoy rebuking me publicly.
 

homwardbound

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So it is like zone said..... you have to be human in order to go to heaven. bwahahaha.LOL
you mis read
First born of Flesh then born of the Spirit if not born of the Spirit then old Flesh that appears alive just stays dead even if it tries to do what is right from its own flesh. There are a lot of dead corpses out in this world taday Ssiter not born again
 
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you mis read
First born of Flesh then born of the Spirit if not born of the Spirit then old Flesh that appears alive just stays dead even if it tries to do what is right from its own flesh. There are a lot of dead corpses out in this world taday Ssiter not born again
did they have a previous life?
 
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dude I am so done with you.
I already answered this question about the OT and NT ways.
YET every time I do answer you , you fling pooh at me saying how "lost i am" or how i am "preaching a false gospel" and you REBUKE me.

do you really take me seriously?
do you really want my point of view, which I have given many many times,

or do you just enjoy rebuking me publicly.
All this is just evasion. How were these men saved? A simple answer and Bible verses will suffice.
 
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All this is just evasion. How were these men saved? A simple answer and Bible verses will suffice.
read the first line of post number 889.

I really believe you just like to argue with me and rebuke me afterwards.

 
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Salvation is the work of God. Man need not do a thing but praise Him.
Psalms 61:8 "So will I sing praise unto thy name for ever, that I may daily perform my vows."

Psalms 112:1 "Praise ye the LORD. Blessed is the man that feareth the LORD, that delighteth greatly in [his works for us]>his commandments ."

Psalms 149:6 "Let the high praises of God be in their mouth, and a twoedged sword in their hand [which means living and preaching from God's word]."

Isaiah 48:9 ¶For my name's sake will I defer mine anger, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.
10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.
11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.

Our works must be God's works and that is the most important way we praise God. Lips praising God on a person devoid of his works are lying lips and God is not fooled.

Proverbs 31:29 Many daughters have done virtuously, but thou excellest them all.
30 Favour is deceitful, and beauty is vain: but a woman that feareth the LORD, she shall be praised.
31 Give her of the fruit of her hands; and let her own works praise her in the gates
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read the first line of post number 889.

I really believe you just like to argue with me and rebuke me afterwards.

Now you are playing the victim. Again, all because you cannot explain the Gospel with Scripture.

If this were a different subject matter, I would not respond in this fashion, but when we are discussing the Gospel and you are being so cavalier in spreading unbiblical doctrine, it requires full scrutiny. As I have already said, you have no obligation to read my posts or answer any of my questions. It's your prerogative of course. Just as it is mine to choose to read your posts and expose their error.
 

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What endears me to you in my affections is the great humility that generally dominates your spirit. That is why even when you think you see that I am about to be over-reached by the flesh I gracefully accept it as well meant and always a necessary precaution even if you had not said it. Such are precautions issued of love which only a foolish man would spurn of his pride.

I love you, homward, with the sincere affection of a brother in Christ. Nothing I say to you is not well thought out in advance. Like you, I have had to go through near literal death before God was able by his Holy Spirit to reach into my heart. I therefore, also like you, do not lament my literal near death experiences as though feeling sorry for myself. I can't, for how could I, having gained so much by them?

Let us be the example to others in not letting our flesh turn this into a competition. You have great understanding but not of yourself. If it were not of God you would not understand as much as you do. And I accept that as proof that God has set his seal upon you. And while seeing that I also see much more. I see that I too had held onto some of the smaller things that you have yet to let go of. And I have no doubt that there are moments where I also have showed signs of hanging onto things that you once held onto but have now advanced beyond. God allows it to work this way, as we both know, revealling what each one is able to receive when they are able to receive it, that we working together can also share and learn his love all the more by having to do some of our learning from each other.

And i know in my heart that you right heart agrees.
Absolutely 100% truth and thankyou for us to wait on the lord dieing daily to the Lord and sayas we are led and when we do not to hold ourselves accountable accepting each our errors thus learninig truth that not only set each of us free but keeps us free standing on solid ground Faith, like a mighty oak tree was a small nut that stood it's ground. We are to stand it in Faith of the Spirit of God, being led by this spirit the very same Spirit that led Christ. This is what we are to learn as Christ already knew to do, we do giving all praise and glory to God and God only
 
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Now you are playing the victim. Again, all because you cannot explain the Gospel with Scripture.

If this were a different subject matter, I would not respond in this fashion, but when we are discussing the Gospel and you are being so cavalier in spreading unbiblical doctrine, it requires full scrutiny. As I have already said, you have no obligation to read my posts or answer any of my questions. It's your prerogative of course. Just as it is mine to choose to read your posts and expose their error.
case and point. have a great day.
 

homwardbound

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Precisely!!!

There is yet one more thing, though, and I think you realize it.

That one more thing homward has to do with who are so sealed. Revelation 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.
4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

Not all are so sealed but only God's elect. And that does not mean the rest are left to die.

Those sealed elect become "his temple" per Rev 7:15 and his "living fountains of waters" per Rev 7:17.

The unsealed ones are the great crowd who have come out of the furnace of the great tribulation per Rev 7:13-14
IT WILL BE AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE A WITNESS DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION IF GOD SO CHOOSES. I AM TO SAY NO MORE. ONLY WHAT WILL BE WILL BE ALL IN GOD'S MIRACULOUS RIGHTEOUSNESS
JUST AS LIKE IN THE CROSS IF THE DEVIL HAD KNOWN THE RESURRECTION AND WHAT THAT COST HIM, THEN HE WOULD HAVE NEVER ENCOURAGED THE CRUCIFIXION.
sO AS IT IS AT THE END TIMES THE DEVIL STILL DOES NOT KKNOW THE PLAN OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NEVER WILL.
 
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Homie, they was commanded to be water baptized even after the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT.

If GOD wants us to do something, and we turn around and say, "no GOD I don't have to do that since I already got the very thing that will get me to heaven. thanks but no thanks."

Wouldn't that be a SIN?
Show me exactly the scriptures that you claim make specifically water baptism a commandment and let us discuss them together.
 

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I wish I could take my doggy to heaven with me :/ she is being put down in 3.5 hours :/
SORRY TO HEAR THAT i HAD TWO DOGS FOR OVER 11 YEARS AND HAD TO PUT THEM DOWN AND AM ASSURED IN MY HEART THAT THEY ARE SAFE ANS SECURE WITH GOD
I am sending you my condolences Sister