Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[kardiaoangelous]

IT WILL BE AN HONOR FOR ME TO BE A WITNESS DURING THE GREAT TRIBULATION IF GOD SO CHOOSES. I AM TO SAY NO MORE. ONLY WHAT WILL BE WILL BE ALL IN GOD'S MIRACULOUS RIGHTEOUSNESS
JUST AS LIKE IN THE CROSS IF THE DEVIL HAD KNOWN THE RESURRECTION AND WHAT THAT COST HIM, THEN HE WOULD HAVE NEVER ENCOURAGED THE CRUCIFIXION.
sO AS IT IS AT THE END TIMES THE DEVIL STILL DOES NOT KKNOW THE PLAN OF GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND NEVER WILL.

Amen, for, Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

And thus it is for the elects sake that "there should some flesh be saved" of those who had a more difficult time due to the interference given them by this world dominated of Satan's spirit having regulated in the air they breathed.

 

[homwardbound]

Amen, that is in perfect harmony with what I said. For we see that confusing it to peoples minds that they do not need works at all is actually an idea created first as an accusation by those who insisted that Old Law must yet be observed claiming we were saying we needed no law at all as in we are completely without law.

Yet we know the truth is that we are not without law, but under the law of the love that is of Christ regulating as a law in our hearts. But we know that we are not under that external written code of laws consisting of decrees of do's and don'ts as though rough treatment of our bodies by external commandment would correct the corruption of our spirit.

There is a huge difference there.

1. Jeremiah 31:31
   [ A New Covenant ] “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
   Jeremiah 31:30-32 (in Context) Jeremiah 31 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
2. Matthew 26:28For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
   Matthew 26:27-29 (in Context) Matthew 26 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
3. Mark 14:24And He said to them, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many.
   Mark 14:23-25 (in Context) Mark 14 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
4. Luke 22:20Likewise He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood, which is shed for you.
   Luke 22:19-21 (in Context) Luke 22 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
5. 1 Corinthians 11:25In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
   1 Corinthians 11:24-26 (in Context) 1 Corinthians 11 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
6. 2 Corinthians 3:6who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
   2 Corinthians 3:5-7 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
7. 2 Corinthians 3:7[ Glory of the New Covenant ] But if the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of the glory of his countenance, which glory was passing away,
   2 Corinthians 3:6-8 (in Context) 2 Corinthians 3 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
8. Hebrews 8:7[ A New Covenant ] For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.
   Hebrews 8:6-8 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
9. Hebrews 8:8Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
   Hebrews 8:7-9 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
10. Hebrews 8:13In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
    Hebrews 8:12-13 (in Context) Hebrews 8 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
11. Hebrews 9:15And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
    Hebrews 9:14-16 (in Context) Hebrews 9 (Whole Chapter) Other Translations
12. Hebrews 12:24to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
    
    A new priesthood:
    Hebrews 7:11[ Need for a New Priesthood ] Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron
    
    and
    Hebrews 7:12For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law.
    
    yep yep ,and yeppers Brother
    
    

 

[jinx]

Show me exactly the scriptures that you claim make specifically water baptism a commandment and let us discuss them together.

reread post 464 and 465
I ain't posting it all again.

 

[jinx]

SORRY TO HEAR THAT i HAD TWO DOGS FOR OVER 11 YEARS AND HAD TO PUT THEM DOWN AND AM ASSURED IN MY HEART THAT THEY ARE SAFE ANS SECURE WITH GOD
I am sending you my condolences Sister

OOO ooo A-Omega!!!!
they are talking about dogs in here again..... sick-em boy!!!!

 

[homwardbound]

Homie, they was commanded to be water baptized even after the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT.

If GOD wants us to do something, and we turn around and say, "no GOD I don't have to do that since I already got the very thing that will get me to heaven. thanks but no thanks."

Wouldn't that be a SIN?

So is Peter your Savior,for I have showed you by scripture what John said about water Babtism and Holy Ghost that he must decrease and Christ must increase. Please Sister show me where I am wrong in this truth, I agree with water Babtism only as a good conscious towards God not for salvation though as some think do we agree?

 

[kardiaoangelous]

you mis read
First born of Flesh then born of the Spirit if not born of the Spirit then old Flesh that appears alive just stays dead even if it tries to do what is right from its own flesh. There are a lot of dead corpses out in this world taday Ssiter not born again

First born of flesh more precisely applies to: Galatians 4:25 "For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children."

From whom Paul likened his separation from on the road to Damascus, describing it as "one born out of due time." (1 Cor 15:8; Gal 1:15)

And born of the spirit directly applies to the adoption to a new mother, here: Galatians 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." In this new mother we are born again of spirit, for spirit begets spirit.

Galatians 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.
30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

 

[1still_waters]

So is Peter your Savior,

for I have showed you by scripture what John said about water Babtism and Holy Ghost that he must decrease and Christ must increase. Please Sister show me where I am wrong in this truth, I agree with water Babtism only as a good conscious towards God not for salvation though as some think do we agree?

So if you believe what the apostle Peter said, then you may view him as your savior.

If you take what John said, then you're not viewing him as your savior?

 

[jinx]

So is Peter your Savior,for I have showed you by scripture what John said about water Babtism and Holy Ghost that he must decrease and Christ must increase. Please Sister show me where I am wrong in this truth, I agree with water Babtism only as a good conscious towards God not for salvation though as some think do we agree?

reread post 464 and 465
I ain't posting it all again.

read these postings......again.

 

[jinx]

So if you believe what the apostle Peter said, then you may view him as your savior.

If you take what John said, then you're not viewing him as your savior?

oh snap.

 

[A-Omega]

OOO ooo A-Omega!!!!
they are talking about dogs in here again..... sick-em boy!!!!

I much prefer dog talk then false doctrines about bulls being redeemers of the Biblical patriarchs. Or some notion that they were sinless.

 

[homwardbound]

Oh and HOMIE.....

you didn't answer my question, does one just believe, or do they have to repent as well?

belief comes from unbelief and it involves repentance as truth
Yuo see I could repent and stop smoking, and I could always start again yes? I could repent and start working, but I could always start again yes?
But when one changes their mind from unubelief to belief in the risen Savior, then ondce one knows the truth of the power in the death, burial, and resurrection will not ever change from belief, will mkae errors yes, bur God will always straighten out those errors
In other words Sister the truth of the cross the availabilty 0o9f salvation is all tied upin the cross, and we today are left with to either beleive God or not period. the only thing that Christ never died for is unbelief
[h=3]John 16:8-11[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [SUP]9 [/SUP]of sin, because they do not believe in Me; [SUP]10 [/SUP]of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; [SUP]11 [/SUP]of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

 

[jinx]

I much prefer dog talk then false doctrines about bulls being redeemers of the Biblical patriarchs. Or some notion that they were sinless.

when did I ever say I was sinless?

see, now your putting words in my mouth, trying to continue an argument.

 

[jinx]

belief comes from unbelief and it involves repentance as truth

that makes no sense.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of GOD.

 

[homwardbound]

dude I am so done with you.
I already answered this question about the OT and NT ways.
YET every time I do answer you , you fling pooh at me saying how "lost i am" or how i am "preaching a false gospel" and you REBUKE me.

do you really take me seriously?
do you really want my point of view, which I have given many many times,

or do you just enjoy rebuking me publicly.

Jinx please here what I am saying It sis by Faith in God period it has been this way from the time of the Abrahamic covenant God made with Abraham,and Sister no law was put in place at that time but 430 years later so to say what you said holds no water and please do not bang head just consider what is said and ask God to lead you as I already believe you do

 

[A-Omega]

when did I ever say I was sinless?

see, now your putting words in my mouth, trying to continue an argument.

I said "some notion THEY were sinless." not you.

I have noticed this is about the 4th time you have misquoted what I wrote.

 

[jinx]

OOO ooo A-Omega!!!!
they are talking about dogs in here again..... sick-em boy!!!!

I much prefer dog talk then false doctrines about bulls being redeemers of the Biblical patriarchs. Or some notion that they were sinless.

so that wasn't towards me.
ok.
sure looked like it since you quoted me and then responded.

 

[A-Omega]

so that wasn't towards me.
ok.
sure looked like it since you quoted me and then responded.

Wrong again. My comment was directed at you. But what you quoted me saying was not about you being sinless. It was a reference to your false doctrine that the Biblical patriarchs were saved by following the law (in other words walking in sinless perfection). Which of course is a heresy. But because of your pride, you'd rather obfuscate then just admit you're wrong.

 

[jinx]

Jinx please here what I am saying It sis by Faith in God period it has been this way from the time of the Abrahamic covenant God made with Abraham,and Sister no law was put in place at that time but 430 years later so to say what you said holds no water and please do not bang head just consider what is said and ask God to lead you as I already believe you do

homie, does one only have to believe?
or do they have to repent also?

 

[jinx]

Wrong again. My comment was directed at you. But what you quoted me saying was not about you being sinless. It was a reference to your false doctrine that the Biblical patriarchs were saved by following the law (in other words walking in sinless perfection). Which of course is a heresy. But because of your pride, you'd rather obfuscate then just admit you're wrong.

again with insults.
bye-now.

 

[jinx]

[h=3]Are you sure you want to add A-Omega to your ignore list?[/h]
why, YES. YES I DO.