Is baptism Essential for salvation?

[TruthFromFrank]

ONELORD, ONE FAITH, ONE BABTISM
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EPHESIANS4:5
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One Lord,
WE have three don’t we: Jesus, The Holy Ghost and the Father.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. There are No three Lords or Gods. There is NO TRINITY, a RCC teaching. Please spread the Truth.
Currently God the Father is the Only God and is a Holy Spiritual Being. God is not TWO but ONE.
Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was a God but became totally man and is now the High priest/advocate sitting on God's right hand side.
Jesus received some of His omnipotency back and is also the Holy Spirit on this earth. "When two or more gathered in MY Name, there I will be." - Not somebody else. Please note!

 

[A-Omega]

LOL, I did not connect with his last post. But G-d bless the sincere and may those that are not be rewarded according to their works.

Keep the Faith Sis. I am preparing for my next Post. Did I understand A-O to say there is no baptism in the OT? looking for that post number.

I'm saying it again now. Abraham, Moses and David were not baptized.

And a mikveh, which I assume you are referring to, is not the same as a baptism. Not to mention that we have no evidence of these men ever doing a mikveh and Abraham was dead before the Mosaic law so obviously he predated the mikveh.

You still have no explained how these men were saved either (if you believe they were saved).

 

[homwardbound]

Homie, they was commanded to be water baptized even after the infilling of the HOLY SPIRIT.

If GOD wants us to do something, and we turn around and say, "no GOD I don't have to do that since I already got the very thing that will get me to heaven. thanks but no thanks."

Wouldn't that be a SIN?

[h=3]Romans 14:13-18[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. [SUP]15 [/SUP]If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, [SUP]18 [/SUP]because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.
Love you Jinx, and appreciate you Thought I would post this because I think it goes much deepewr that just food, it is that food was the subject at that time so food was used and I love the first verses, forus all to recieve each other but not to disputes over doubtful things. Not doubtful to me the subject at hand, and not doubtful to you the subject at hand
Thanks for being you

 

[homwardbound]

If baptizing by spirit is only something Jesus can do, why does he command us to baptize? Obviously we cannot baptize by the Spirit because that is something JEsus does so the only one we are commanded to do is baptize in water.

And God is pleased by our flesh works? I think not Sister
Romans 8:9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ.
Romans 8:7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.
Romans 8:12Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it
Romans 13:14Rather, clothe yourselves with the Lord Jesus Christ, and do not think about how to gratify the desires of the flesh.
Galatians 3:3Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?

Water Babtism is a flesh act to do right by God flesh is in the way
John's water Babtismis over he duid his Job and announced Christ the Messiah had arrived and then Chrisat went to the cross and enabled us to live new lifes' in his spirit and today this is the only way God can be worshipped
John 4:23Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks
John 4:24God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth.”

No Flesh and John's Babtism is flesh trying to do waht is right and is to show one that they can't be perfect even though they try, and then they canbe born again once that one comes to the end of the energy of their own flesh and be pefect in the Spirit of God
All in God's love to you Sister

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Baptism can only be performed once you have given your heart to Christ.
Once you have accepted Jesus Christ in your life, you are baptized with the gift from the Holy Spirit, Jesus in spirit on this earth, which may be to Heal the sick or to Prophecy or to Teach or to Speak in tongues etc.
You then have to go through the water process which symbolizes the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ, once totally immersed and then out, which also symbolizes the washing off of all sins.
If you did not have time to be baptized, like the thief on the cross, then it's OK.
It is an experience that you cannot describe when you do go through the baptism process. You feel Jesus' presence and you realize you have done what He commanded you to do. You feel different and is like receiving the seal of confirmation and you are that one step closer to Him.
I do not think that you will be judged if you were not baptized otherwise it would have been in the Commandments of God.

 

[homwardbound]

But your line of thinking seems to be..

Since Jesus baptizes in the Holy Spirit, we're not to be baptized in water.

Is there a differance between John's water Babtism and Christ's Holy Ghost Babtism?
Is one a flesh works effort to want to please God by what one is doing?
And the other the Holy Ghost Babtism what God has done for you the believer given you a free gift at no effort on your part
When Christ went to the cross, whom did Christ do this for? Did he need to do this for himself? So again he did for you, you and you, and is only waiting for us to believe that he did it all and come alive in the Spirit of God the Father by ther resurrectiuon of Christ by the operation of the Father.
Is water Babtism of the flesh or the Spirit? Which gives life the water or the Spirit?

 

[homwardbound]

If JESUS commanded us to be water baptized which HE did, then we better do it or we are in SIN!!!!

So are you on the works program trying to stop sin any and all? And if you are okay you are on your way then to see what some are saying about the differance of the two types of Babtism. We are saved by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross completed by the resurrection where one recieves new life in Christ and is made perfect by Christ being born again by the reception of the Holy Ghost given freely by God the Father of Christ.

 

[homwardbound]

Faith without works is dead....Christianity is both faith and works. It's not a split dichotomy like people make it out to be a lot of times. Instead of arguments being "either this or that" it should be "both this and that"

This depends on how one is going about Faith and works.

Does works produce Faith or frustrate the person trying to do what is right, every time they sin? Water Babtism a self effort
Or does Faith in the living God produce God's type of works in and throuh you as it did Noah, Abraham, Issaac, Jacob, Saul who became Paul?
Faith was counted as righteousness to all God's people that believe and leave all self-effort behind
Jesus had Faith and did the work of his Father no self work in Christ HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we have all kinds of self-effort in the way hindering us from just recieving the Holy Ghost and just walking in the spirit of God
Does not anyone see what sowing to flesh does
Galatians 6:8For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
There is a diffearance between water Babtism and Spiritual? you decide which one actually gives one the new life

 

[homwardbound]

Yes, faith without works is dead... but when it comes to that moment of salvation, works cannot enter the equation since the bible states that we are saved by faith in Christ, not works. Works comes after salvation, not before it.

Works of the Holy Ghost flesh works dead, but this comes by Faith in Christ and askiing for new life by Faiuth thanks OceanGrl

 

[homwardbound]

faith without works is dead. you have faith, then you act on that faith in OBEDIENCE to GOD to repent and be baptized in JESUS name and HE sees that faith in action and it is acceptable to HIM and HE fills us with HIS SPIRIT.

Is this Faith of the flesh Sister and God just watches our smoke and is pleased by what we do?
And Sister when God fills you with the Spirit of him, that is when flesh works are to stop. and the filling of the Holy Ghost not only lives in you but now by Faith in God and God only the Holy Ghost lives thorugh you, no more flesh works in the way
Romans 3:20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

And whether you know it or not you have made water Babtism into a law

 

[homwardbound]

Baptism not a work Titus 3:5. Can we be saved in sins and not in Christ? No. What does the bible say baptism does? Acts 2:38, Acts 22:16 for forgiveness of sins, Washes away sins. Also puts us into Christ Gal 3:27, Rom 6:3-7, Col 2:12. Jesus says whoever has believed past tense and has been baptized past tense shall be saved future tense Mark 16:16. So Jesus says baptism part of salvation Mark 16:16. Peter says its for the forgivness of sins Acts 2:38. Paul says it puts you into Christ Gal 3:27. Peter says baptism now saves you 1Pet 3:21. Not sure what is confusing on this unless some believe they know more than Jesus and His inspired apostles

So how are you walking today by flesh or the Holy Ghost? are you sure? cool if you are if not then you need the Babtism of the Holy Ghost, this is a gift from God the Father via te Resurrection back at the cross where new life in him is found

 

[SarahM777]

You didn't answer my question. You are going to present your work as part of your salvation? You have helped in your own redemption?

UMM But how can say you faith if you don't obey?

 

[homwardbound]

What's the point of believing in something if you don't show it through your works. They are a dual relationship that go hand in hand.

Sister it is not our works it is God's works. God's love shown to us at 1 cir 13:4-13
Romans 3:20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Having the knowledge of sin anbd thinking of sin continues to produce it thuis is why we are to quit from our works any and all trust God to do in us what ever God wants to do in us and through us. But Soister because of free choice and unbelief that God did it all at the cross we ourselves just keep getting in the way of God's love for us all
Why do you think Paul said so many times to be dead here and now in the flesh and alive in the Spirit.
[h=3]Romans 8:1-9[/h]King James Version (KJV)

8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[homwardbound]

YES. Absolutely. I have contributed absolutely nothing to my salvation. It was entirely done by Jesus Christ.

That is when the works of God's love are produced in and through the Believer
when one is made righteous by God and God alone haviing the joy, the peace, and righteusness beyond flesh's understanding

 

[homwardbound]

after all of this we will live in a life full of HIS glory and power and strength to overcome any temptation that comes our way. BUT if we fall, if we sin, we have HIS GRACE to come boldly before HIS throne and ask for forgiveness of our sins, when before Christ no one was allowed to come before HIS throne until a set date after a set amount of procedures done by the high priest, when they made animal sacrifices, the washed, then went past the vail to the HOLIEST OF HOLIES. NOW after Christ, after HIS plan of salvation, We have that grace where we didn't have it before. We can go to the HOLIEST OF HOLIES any time we want and say HIS name and HE is with us.

Yes Sister and thank God we do have this, So the next ? is how many just take this for granted and just keep on sinning behind closed doors. This grace was never meant to be taken for granted and if we do how will we escape and is why Christ says to some go away for I (Christ) never new you you who work iniquity. so all Ican say is let us not take for granted this amazing grace where we are completely forgiven before any water Babtism by Christ, we are not saved by being forgiven we are saved by the resurrection of Christ. Anyway how shall any of us escape if we
Hebrews 2:3How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;

[h=3]Colossians 2:22-23[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Which all are to perish with the using after the commandments and doctrines of men?
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Which things have indeed a shew of wisdom in will worship, and humility, and neglecting of the body: not in any honour to the satisfying of the flesh.

 

[homwardbound]

A lot depends upon how we teach the command to go forth into the world and make disciples at places as Matthew 28:19 (and make make no mistake that to make disciples is all Jesus commanded be done there).

For example such things as the humility of the disciples we make depends upon how we teach that.

If we teach it as an authority given us to call men to repent or as an authority given us to call them to baptism, then our focus is wrong and such is what the twisted spirit used as authority to justify inquisitions was founded upon.

Such is a desire for self glorification by means of God's authority and that is what the man of sin does. That is how the son of perdition uses God's authority to make himself appear as God in this earth.

That would be the Spirit of Error at work in the people trying to believe keeping them captive in working out their own salvation by their own efforts
[h=3]Galatians 6:8[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]8 [/SUP]For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

The Battle is still the same today as it was from the first fall of Adam and Eve Flesh verses Spirit? So which one I know which one I have decided to be of and you too have decided the same, and many that are water Babtized one day afterwards did come to truth of this after they came to the end of the energyof theri own flesh as I did after many years of being Religous, trying to get others to respond to me by waht I was doing, until I realized Iwas trying to play God by tryiing to get others to see me and my wonderful works using God almighty as the catalyst
Then I saw God and God when are you going to respond to me, I said what I am, God said no you are tryiing to create things all around and trying to be all Spiritual and getting patson the back by others making you God of those that respond to you usiing my name for your gain.
And after being shown this is when I made an about face and started seeking out truth becoming a responder to the creator and am humbled by this almighty God of Christ our Lord and way to God the Father, thanking and praisiing each and every day with evil all present around me at all times trying to crack God's armor and can't crack God's armor, the enemy can only crack into flesh armor and either get you to do what is right by flesh and you become proud and boastful or continue to make one feel guilty over any and all sin that it gets you to do through flesh only. This is the trap of the enemy for te enemy of Christ can't get you away from God's salvationso he does his best to cripple you or makeyou proud and boastful so the Holy Ghost can't work through you to bring others to salvation found in Christ via the cross of.
Flesh and Spirit of God is the Battle

 

[homwardbound]

no one I know glorifies themselves when they get baptized. nope. they are glorifying in GOD that HE revealed the plan of salvation to them and they are excited to follow through with it.

Nope Sister many do it for the acceptance of others not God. Going to church sitting in a pew getting watrer Babtized, quoting Scripture does not make one a believer in Christ anymore that going to a Hen house religously amke them a Hen or going to Mcdonalds make them a Hamburger
Iam glad for you thought that you do believe and are not out for praises and thankls from others pats on the backs of others thatyou are not like what Peter was denying christ three times making mistakes and getting rebuked by Paul in galatians 2
Peter was a man of wantingto e accepted was afraid a lot and di grow up into maturity and that is why he said at the end of thetalk of water Batism he added by the resurrected Christ, knowing that Water Babtism is not the salvation Christ and Christ's resurrection is. And you know this by knowing without the Spirit of God there is no life
And I thnk God for this in you.

 

[jinx]

So are you on the works program trying to stop sin any and all? And if you are okay you are on your way then to see what some are saying about the differance of the two types of Babtism. We are saved by Faith in the finished work of Christ at the cross completed by the resurrection where one recieves new life in Christ and is made perfect by Christ being born again by the reception of the Holy Ghost given freely by God the Father of Christ.

Am I to believe after reading this post that you believe once a person is born again there is NO chance of that person ever sinning again.

that they are spiritual perfect.

No need for grace whatsoever?


you (homie) are in no need of grace whatsoever?

 

[jinx]

Works of the Holy Ghost flesh works dead, but this comes by Faith in Christ and askiing for new life by Faiuth thanks OceanGrl

that makes no sense homie, try again please.

 

[jinx]

Is this Faith of the flesh Sister and God just watches our smoke and is pleased by what we do?
And Sister when God fills you with the Spirit of him, that is when flesh works are to stop. and the filling of the Holy Ghost not only lives in you but now by Faith in God and God only the Holy Ghost lives thorugh you, no more flesh works in the way
Romans 3:20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

And whether you know it or not you have made water Babtism into a law

They are talking about the law of MOSES.
OT.

NOT the NT.