SEXUALITY And GOD Don't Seem to Mix :-?

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Fire7

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I've never really spoken this publicly about it, and honestly, I don't feel THAT safe expressing it here, as I'm familiar enough with the Christian community to know that being open and transparent is NOT something that is really encouraged, although being zealous and judgmental is. Yet, I'm going to be open here because because of the familial atmosphere.

I have always had a problem reconciling sexuality (in general) with my understanding of God. Maybe it is because I have a skewed view of God, but I mean, I have probably heard thousands of sermons and read an enormous amount of material on the subject of God, and I was brought up in a strong and radical and Christian environment from as early on as I can remember.

But I had early sexual experiences, from playing "house" with cousins, to being molested around the age of 5 or 6 (to my knowledge), as well as introduced to hardcore pornography around the age of 13. I'm a 30 year old black male who has identified as "homosexual" from a very early age, and if you're African American, you are probably very familiar with how much homosexuality is frowned upon in our community, alone, save the Christian community. You can just look at the glorification of "Gansta" rap and see how murderers, thieves, liars and ego-maniacs are treated better than "gays," especially gay MEN. We are really at the very bottom of society---the scum of the earth, to to speak. Well, couple this with a "Hell-fire and Brimstone" firey (predominantly black) Pentecostal upbringing, and you get a picture of what I have had to deal with as far as developing a perception of "God."

I found that even the boys I experimented with grew up to have girlfriends, wives and children, but I personally have never been in a committed relationship (with a man or a woman), but have had a number of sexual experiences. I have never had a natural sexual attraction to a female; they don't stimulate me in any way. I have tried to force myself to be attracted to them, but have found it to be impossible. Men, on the other hand, stimulate me to an incredibly HIGH degree, not only physically but emotionally as well. It has been part of the reason, I suppose, that I'm single. I get attached to men--potential mates, in particular--VERY fast and it tends to scare them away just as fast. And because I'm naturally stimulated by masculinity, I also tend to be attracted to the men who are unavailable, i.e. Bisexuals (who when with a woman want to be with a man and when with a man want to be with a woman, so it's virtually impossible to satisfy them), married or committed, and so on...

It seems I'm always chasing after people who aren't chasing after me, or that I'm more in love with someone than he is with me, or that I become very "jealous" and "possessive." It is obvious to me that I am repeating some very painful patterns over and over again. But I know that it really comes out of a misunderstanding of others, myself, and sexuality, in general, as I often wish there was no such thing as sex and wonder why God created it in the first place. Sex is enjoyable, fulfilling and satisfying to me only under certain circumstances, but those circumstances seem to only be possible in an ideal world, and I know that this is not an ideal world, hence why I can't reconcile my faith with my sexuality. Another thing about this is that heterosexual sex seems gross and disgusting to me; the way I imagine homosexual sex may seem to a heterosexual. And yet, heterosexuality is the norm and my sexuality is condemned in society. Therefore, it seems that I just do not fit into this universal equation. Something is very clearly off somewhere, but it seems heterosexuality has brought me much more pain than homosexuality. As I've expressed, homosexual sex brings me joy, it's just the other stuff that I can't deal with. So, it is as though I'm living in an alternate reality and I'm the only one in this reality. This makes it very difficult for me to have a relationship with a God who I feel has jinxed me or is playing some kind of cruel and twisted game. Sex does not seem like it could ever be "holy." It may be enjoyable but I don't see it as being clean and pure. Now, if "holy" means perfect, then I could say my orientation is holy, as I've never been confused about which gender I wanted, and it comes as natural as breathing to me; I don't know any other way.

And before anyone says homosexuality is a "choice," really think about what you're saying before you say it. Do you seriously think that someone would choose to feel a very real sense of rejection every moment of his life?
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've been a homosexual and I thought I was born to be one. I grew up and realized sexual orientation is not related to genetics. We are not born to be homosexual or heterosexual. If it was determined to be that we, we would ALL be straight. It is obvious it is a CHOICE. I am no longer a homosexual anymore :)
 
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jinx

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This makes it very difficult for me to have a relationship with a God who I feel has jinxed me or is playing some kind of cruel and twisted game.
sounds like to me as with ANYONE on this earth, gay or not, that when ever we want to grow in GOD we do it slowly. get some roots in your life. Ever seen a tree grow over night? nope.

so your gay, you know it's biblically unacceptable. But you also want to grow in GOD. start slow. Every relationship needs time to grow. pray a little bit here, read the bible a little bit there, do good deeds to all those around you as much as you can.

and just be honest with GOD about everything. HE can be your strength.

 

JimJimmers

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Fire7, my brother. I will not condemn you for your life, but it hardly matters what I think.


But there are still things in your post that make me sad for you, disregarding homosexuality. "It is obvious to me that I am repeating some very painful patterns over and over again." " Sex does not seem like it could ever be "holy." " You are a hurting person, but remember the words of Jesus. "Those who are well need not a physician." No amount of sex will make you happy, as you know.

I'm not going to tell you you chose homosexuality, but if you didn't choose it, that doesn't mean you were born that way either. It could be something that developed from your childhood, as a result of the sexual abuse you suffered. It sounds like you had a lack of love from your parents also.

It is a choice to decide to sin against your body and sleep with men. Let me assure you though, I am not a hypocrite when it comes to this. I am a straight guy, but that doesn't give me permission to give in to the lusts of the flesh. Jesus wants all of you, my friend. Every dark and dirty corner of your soul, He wants to clean and brighten.


Please give in to His will for your life, and ask Jesus to fill you with Holy love. Ask to be filled with The Holy Spirit. Be honest about it too, don't promise to become straight or tell Him you want to change. You probably don't want to change, we humans are stubborn. I am praying for you, God bless you. -JIM
 
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Kisses1990

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've been a homosexual and I thought I was born to be one. I grew up and realized sexual orientation is not related to genetics. We are not born to be homosexual or heterosexual. If it was determined to be that we, we would ALL be straight. It is obvious it is a CHOICE. I am no longer a homosexual anymore :)
It CAN be a choice, but it is actually in a large way based on genetics. Men with more estrogen than testosterone tend to be gay. Women with more testosterone than estrogen tend to be lesbian. I actually saw a study about a man who was gay his whole life and started taking testosterone shots and he was just no longer attracted to men. It actually made him straight.

Attraction is in a large way based on chemicals in your brain. If the chemistry is off, even slightly, it can have huge effects on the individual. That's what things like depression pills are for. They release more dopamine in the brain when it is not producing enough.

In the same effect, your brain can "trick" your body into thinking you are the opposite sex if it is not getting what it needs as far as chemicals go.

"Gay" is an abnormal, yet NATURAL thing. How interesting is that to think about?!
 
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Here's what i've learned: Sex is different than sexuality, Ideas are just random samples. Sex is at the bottom of the list. Gender identity is important, the mix is off. It will unfold overtime.

Faced sexual child abuse as well, and still dealing with it. It's hard.

Good luck and God bless!
 
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It CAN be a choice, but it is actually in a large way based on genetics. Men with more estrogen than testosterone tend to be gay. Women with more testosterone than estrogen tend to be lesbian. I actually saw a study about a man who was gay his whole life and started taking testosterone shots and he was just no longer attracted to men. It actually made him straight.

Attraction is in a large way based on chemicals in your brain. If the chemistry is off, even slightly, it can have huge effects on the individual. That's what things like depression pills are for. They release more dopamine in the brain when it is not producing enough.

In the same effect, your brain can "trick" your body into thinking you are the opposite sex if it is not getting what it needs as far as chemicals go.

"Gay" is an abnormal, yet NATURAL thing. How interesting is that to think about?!
Another interesting study to consider: most homosexuals that are seen as having their decision based on genetics are only a very miniscule part of the population. Less than 5% are due to "genetic" factors. And that was by a group of scientists who are pro homosexual. Makes ya wonder...is the "genetic" argument REALLY legit...or is it just an excuse? Notice how it has become more acceptable to be a homosexual, that the excuses they argue all the time seem to not be brought up anymore...You are arguing with a former homosexual who used to think she was born this way because that is what she was told as well by scientists...but ya ain't gonna get very far. (and I NEVER had an estrogen/testosterone problem either)
 

Nautilus

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i remember when i made the choice. I was about 10 and got sat down and it was explained to me that i needed to choose between being gay or straight. I decided that since I liked women and couldnt imagine wanting to be discriminated against and looked down upon for being gay, that i would CHOOSE to be straight. Oh wait hold on, there wasnt actually a choice. I just like girls. Its how I was made. In fact I don't know anyone that CHOSE who they were attracted to.
 

Nautilus

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Also OP, heterosexuality and God don't seem to mix very well either so you aren't alone. Half the people Ive met think se is only for procreation it seems and that for the most part its lust to do anything else.
 
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Fire7

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Another interesting study to consider: most homosexuals that are seen as having their decision based on genetics are only a very miniscule part of the population. Less than 5% are due to "genetic" factors. And that was by a group of scientists who are pro homosexual. Makes ya wonder...is the "genetic" argument REALLY legit...or is it just an excuse? Notice how it has become more acceptable to be a homosexual, that the excuses they argue all the time seem to not be brought up anymore...You are arguing with a former homosexual who used to think she was born this way because that is what she was told as well by scientists...but ya ain't gonna get very far. (and I NEVER had an estrogen/testosterone problem either)
Well, truth is we can all go back and forth with scientific studies to support our ideas, as there have been MANY scientific studies done on the subject with different outcomes, depending on the approach. The fact is that sexual orientation is BOTH inherent AND conditioned. Even the bible says we're "*born* in sin" and "*shaped* in iniquity." If babies can be born with 2 heads, deformed ligaments, or both sexual organs, is this not a result of the fall? Is this not natural? Did they choose those deformities? Do they need excuses?

All fetuses are both sexes before being completely formed in the womb. Do you not think that something could get mixed up, that one could end up too much of something or not enough of something else? This isn't to make an excuse for anything but to show a FACT. And I should also say that sexual orientation/attraction comes in varying degrees. Just because you overcame a "struggle" doesn't mean you have a right to think you are any better than those who you perceive have the same struggle, as to suggest that they are refusing to change. And I may never act on any sexual impulse, but it doesn't change my orientation. I'm attracted to what I'm attracted to. And like it or not, my attraction is NOT and was NOT a choice. There is nothing you can say to me that would convince me otherwise because you are not me. People change orientations for different reasons. It may have been a choice for you, but that does not mean it was a choice for me. As a matter of fact, I KNOW that it was not a choice for me.
 

lil_christian

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God didn't make mistakes when He created us. Since sleeping with someone of the same gender is a sin, God wouldn't make someone 'gay'. Just like no one is born a compulsive liar or with alcoholism. Why would God create someone to go against His will?

So in my opinion, that leaves us with two options. First is, you have a choice to make, no matter how hard, to stay in this life, where I doubt you'll find satisfaction, or leave and give it all to Jesus who is the ULTIMATE healer.

The second is, there's obviously no God at all. It's evident that someone who hates sin wouldn't create someone to sin against Him without that person any say in it. So obviously, you were just simply born that way and there's no God at all, so you can just do whatever.

Which one are you going to choose?

God loves you, but He didn't make a feel-good Gospel where you can stay where you are in your sin and as long as you're a good person you don't need to worry.

No. Jesus said to us to give up all we have and don't look back.
Mark 10:21

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

I'm sorry if this may seem a bit harsh. It's not what I mean to come off as.
 
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Fire7

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God didn't make mistakes when He created us. Since sleeping with someone of the same gender is a sin, God wouldn't make someone 'gay'. Just like no one is born a compulsive liar or with alcoholism. Why would God create someone to go against His will?

So in my opinion, that leaves us with two options. First is, you have a choice to make, no matter how hard, to stay in this life, where I doubt you'll find satisfaction, or leave and give it all to Jesus who is the ULTIMATE healer.

The second is, there's obviously no God at all. It's evident that someone who hates sin wouldn't create someone to sin against Him without that person any say in it. So obviously, you were just simply born that way and there's no God at all, so you can just do whatever.

Which one are you going to choose?

God loves you, but He didn't make a feel-good Gospel where you can stay where you are in your sin and as long as you're a good person you don't need to worry.

No. Jesus said to us to give up all we have and don't look back.
Mark 10:21

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Looking at him, Jesus felt a love for him and said to him, “One thing you lack: go and sell all you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow Me.”

I'm sorry if this may seem a bit harsh. It's not what I mean to come off as.

Thanks for your input; I welcome all views on the matter.

Something I've noticed is that people tend to throw the term "feel-good-gospel" around, not realizing that this term can also be applied to "Hell-fire and Brimstone", "Doom and gloom" preaching as well, because truth is telling other people how sinful they are and that they're going to burn in Hell, makes people feel better (higher and more righteous) about themselves. That's kind of why things like this now goes in one ear and my other one, because I've heard it all before and I know that people get off on condemning other people.

Also, God created evil along with good, God is the creator of EVERYTHING within and without the universe; Afterall, He is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Ubiquitous and all-encompassing. He created everything there is, and that would include "mistakes," so He does in fact make mistakes. There are a couple of times even in the bible where God "regretted" and "repented." some vessels He's made for honor and some for dishonor, so, I wonder about the character of God. Say what you want about Him, but there are some simple facts...realities that are beyond our control, one being that God created everything, including the mistakes.
 
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; Afterall, He is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Ubiquitous and all-encompassing. He created everything there is, and that would include "mistakes," so He does in fact make mistakes.
Wow, you just insulted God. God doesn't make mistakes. It is man that makes the decision to sin. Adam and Eve made the decision to sin in the first place. It's called free will.
 
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First of all the idea that God created evil is based on a strange translation in the King James Version. God does not create evil. Can what the world calls evil be used in his plans? Yes, but God does not create evil. As for sexuality and God, God cares about you and he does not create mistakes. True, both sides use studies, but there is change that we can believe in (using an idea from Obama) and that change is only found in Jesus Christ where the transformation is inside and outside. Do not listen to what the culture wants you to believe, do not believe everything that might "seem'' scientific instead compare it with other studies then formulate an opinion. As for what science says, people tend to put more faith in science than God, assuming that science can answer everything or assuming that science rules that God does not exist or that science proves that someone is born ''gay'' The truth is that scientists are also not sure if that is true or not, I have an interpersonal communication book from 2008 or after that date, that shows that they are not sure if there is a link or not. So science does not say anyone is born gay but there are studies to look at and the many people that the pro-same sex follows, also at times reluctantly reveal that change can happen through Christ. Is it difficult? Yes. Is it hard? Yes. Can it be done? Yes, only through Christ and other alternatives can help as well with it, but it has to be rooted in Christ. The opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality. I will not use the term heterosexuality, I am just making a point. The opposite of that is not the other I just mentioned, but is one's identity in Christ and Him alone and his holiness and everyday to grow in our relationship with Christ and pursue his holiness what we long for and strive for. God bless.
 

lil_christian

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Thanks for your input; I welcome all views on the matter.

Something I've noticed is that people tend to throw the term "feel-good-gospel" around, not realizing that this term can also be applied to "Hell-fire and Brimstone", "Doom and gloom" preaching as well, because truth is telling other people how sinful they are and that they're going to burn in Hell, makes people feel better (higher and more righteous) about themselves. That's kind of why things like this now goes in one ear and my other one, because I've heard it all before and I know that people get off on condemning other people.

Also, God created evil along with good, God is the creator of EVERYTHING within and without the universe; Afterall, He is Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Ubiquitous and all-encompassing. He created everything there is, and that would include "mistakes," so He does in fact make mistakes. There are a couple of times even in the bible where God "regretted" and "repented." some vessels He's made for honor and some for dishonor, so, I wonder about the character of God. Say what you want about Him, but there are some simple facts...realities that are beyond our control, one being that God created everything, including the mistakes.
Look at the context. Was I speaking doom and gloom over you? No. Being realistic? Yeah I'd say that's more like it.

The rest of this is rubbish to put it mildly.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've been a homosexual and I thought I was born to be one. I grew up and realized sexual orientation is not related to genetics. We are not born to be homosexual or heterosexual. If it was determined to be that we, we would ALL be straight. It is obvious it is a CHOICE. I am no longer a homosexual anymore :)
When did you choose to be straight?
 
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jerusalem

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i disagree that God created evil. God created choice. we created evil by our choices
 
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First, sexuality is not a nasty thing, as we were told. Any may have had an homosex experience, at any age, and I won't blame my family, their teaching, because it was ME who made my choice.
I reacently went to a PT meeting and this topic raised (one mother needed answers). Some gave his opinion, based on books, perhaps hiding anything from his personal experience (I'm not to judge) but he said, mingled with more things, that "researches have found and ADN code related to the gender we cling...". When he finished, I quickly said: "If that were true, we can easily CAN BLAME GOD"... And obviously I CANNOT blame God for my decisions, my choices or self will. Sexuality is deeply connected with MY CHOICE, as an individual, same way as any sin. If I'm not told what a sin is, I surely will behave like a dog in the street, smelling here and there and, being a dog, finding a female dog (just to avoid the word you know) I wouldn'd mind do in my thing where another dog licked or left his "seeds".
The very idea of misbehaving like a dog is sordid and nasty. Living sex, without LOVE is much worst. And I'm convinced BOTH coexist in God's teachings.
Love is superior than sex. Sex is very well oriented when we are in the correct way. Look deep in the eyes of those who made wrong, have lawfully made another sex choice, and compare who is happier.
I know nasty things in my family. Sometimes I was sexually molested or I myself did the wrong thing, and I'm happy I don' t forget my mistakes, just to avoid repeating them, but I blame no one else, but me. Those were my wrong choices as an individual.
 
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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've been a homosexual and I thought I was born to be one. I grew up and realized sexual orientation is not related to genetics. We are not born to be homosexual or heterosexual. If it was determined to be that we, we would ALL be straight. It is obvious it is a CHOICE. I am no longer a homosexual anymore :)
By all means I'm sure the people who are bullied by their parents and peers wished it was a choice.