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Well I'm still here so you are right the rapture has not occurred yet. The rapture is no secret to the body of Christ. The world will not see it because they cannot. 1 Cor 2:9-16


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So millions, maybe billions will just disappear and no one will notice? huh?
 
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So millions, maybe billions will just disappear and no one will notice? huh?
I don't know what Bible he is reading but mine says everyone will notice!
 

notuptome

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So millions, maybe billions will just disappear and no one will notice? huh?
I did not say that they would not notice that we are missing only that they would not see Christ in the clouds and I believe that we will be translated so fast that even those who perhaps are speaking with us will not know where we went.

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notuptome

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I don't know what Bible he is reading but mine says everyone will notice!
I'm quite certain all of us would love to know where that verse is located in your bible.

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I saw myself and another sister walking side by side jesting normally… A man was walking at the other side; suddenly the man turned and said; ‘hey, the rapture has just taken place 30 seconds ago’, and looking at the time it was 1.00.30s AM. The man proceeded by saying go in the left direction you will find other Christians there. They are taking the mark already. Go now I give you one minute.. I asked him what about you? He turned and said I am the antichrist who has lived in your midst for so long waiting for this day. I was confused but my spirit said run, my daughter, run. We ran and on covering some distance. I turned back; lo and behold the man we left has turned to the antichrist. We kept running and saw many other people running as well. We got to a very large auditorium too large to be described and behold multitudes of Christians… Brethren it was a terrifying experience. People of high standing with God, Prominent men and women of God, loved ones and friends. I couldn’t comprehend this so I screamed, all of us, God what happened? The Lord now took me in the spirit to five churches: In a predominant church of one tribe, I saw the pastors announcing that the rapture has just taken place and that people should start receiving the mark right there in the church that this will substitute the said beast mark and enable them to buy and sell. Brethren, what made me weep was that the innocent and ignorant members started receiving this mark not knowing it was actually the mark of the beast. The Lord then said all these pastors are agents of the beast who has been ordained to mislead the people and who already has the beast mark before his manifestation, and I saw marks on the right arm of all these pastors. A brother who was fortunate to see who to call him to start running down to the place where all other Christians are was shot in the leg as he was about climbing the top of the Christian’s hide out. Then the Lord took me again to another church where the pastors were just speaking of the good things of the scripture and didn’t talk about the second coming of Christ and warn the people of the wages of sin. The irony of it was that all these pastors and their members were left behind. Then I saw another church where people did really emphasize the coming but all the people didn’t go as a result of the hidden sins which weren’t known to man and they had not counted as sin. I wept bitterly because this was a church where holiness was professed and held in high esteem. I saw another church where people concentrated mainly on attacking demons and where the true word was also preached but the people also didn’t go due to malice and lack of spiritual concentration. I saw yet another church where the people were actively involved in preaching the word and talking about the second coming, however these people did not go. The whole lot was full of hypocrites who disguise themselves in shepherd’s clothes. I was then taken back to the place where the multitude were and then I saw that the people of the beast came and Christians started scrambling for safety. Brethren it was a terrifying experience. Women forgot their children, husbands their wives. We ran and got to another place of hiding but the surprising thing which should make all shiver was that the population was now so small that it was easy for every one to identify each other as family and friends started pairing up. The Lord then said others have received the mark. Brethren the people I saw made me weep uncontrollably. Prominent men of God all over the world, Christians and loved ones. I now asked tkihe LORD why all these one and God showed me different people and men of God saying: this man was perfect with me until two hours ago. That other had a small portion of his heart released to the devil. That other brother was too occupied with the things of the world in terms of land and property acquisition that tjihey took over his life. That other one, I gave him a mandate to pay a certain portion of money to the church and he procrastinated it till now: sin of disobedience. That other so much loves his cheque book than his life. You can even see that he has his cheque book with him I wonder what he can buy with the money now: hope you know they are no more his. Iw wept because so many little things which we humans don’t count were counted by God. I now spoke with a confused voice, help us Lord. The Lord then said all these things which have been happening on earth have wall been pointing to the end but despite all this, my people do not take heed. I am giving the last warning. Consecrate your hearts to me, my people. The trumpet would have been blown one hour ago, but I pleaded with my father. However, I can plead no further. The trumpet is already in the mouths of the Angels ready to be blown. SO PREPARE YE THY WAYS OH MY PEOPLE. Tell my people to read Matthew 16:3. And warn all the ministers who has gone in the ways of BAAL. THIS IS TRUE AND BELIEVE IT OR NOT THE RAPTURE IS AT HAND. HELL AND HEAVEN ARE REAL..REPENT YE MY BRETHREN. PLEASE HELP ME OUT BY SPREADING THIS WORD TO ALL YOU KNOW. ANYTHING WORTH DOING, IS WORTH DOING WELL.. Copy and paste it, share it, call, email and text this link. PLEASE SAVE A SOUL TODAY. Have done my part, it’s now your turn to spread the Gospel. No wealth can be compared to life everlasting in Heaven. DON’T IGNORE IT! (It wasn't me who God gave this vision to, but on of my sister in Christ. This is a warning from God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, Lord Almighty, Yahweh, Jahovah, Elohim, Immanuel, The Consuming Fire, The Creator, Jesus Christ, The Word, Alpha, Omega, The Everlasting God, The One True God, The God of Israel and Judah, The God of Moses, The God of Jacob, The God of David, Lord of Lords, King of Kings, "I AM", The Lord of Hosts, The Redeemer, The Prince of Peace, God of this Universe, Pneuma, The Omipotent Omipresent God gives you this warning. Fear and Seek Him, He will show you the truth.)
 

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Really.

I know that. So, you say that Jesus comes in the clouds and we meet him in the air at the sound of a trumpet. I agree with that. In fact, I believe that. Just one question. Who is mourning when the Son of man comes?
Israel. They are the ones who wounded Him. The rapture of the church and the return of Christ at the close of the tribulation are two quite different events.

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Roger
 
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Israel. They are the ones who wounded Him. The rapture of the church and the return of Christ at the close of the tribulation are two quite different events.

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Roger
I see. So Israel are the tribes of the earth?

Most important question I forgot to ask. Just to be sure, when do you say this is occurring? I say you're telling me this is before the tribulation. The rapture, that is. This is important.
 
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What if I were to say I disagree with you. What if I were to say your explanation of the prophesies are not of God? Are you still open minded enough to look at other possibilities?

Hint. I used to believe in pretty much everything you said but you know what? I left myself open for one reason only. None of that futuristic stuff can be proven. Not even guaranteed.
It is a mighty Big IF. So many have tried to prove that the Bible is incorrect, only to find that it is in fact correct. Everything that I have written comes from the Bible and who am I to question God's Word. I have been misled by many so-called ministers and pastors, each one with his own theory and teachings. I am passed that stage to still search for other so-called truths which could be entangled by Satan teachings. I know that my Living God exists and His Son Jesus Christ was on earth, and the reasons for it. I had prayers being answered immediately, not by Satan, as I prayed to God. Everything is logical as we are created in God's image and he has given us the brain capacity to think and to sort out all the unknown things. We do not have to go to somebody else to find a new truth. Yes, the coming sounds all futuristic but that is what God's Word is telling us. All the prophecies regarding Jesus Christ came true so why not the others? If this was not quoted in the Bible, how would the believers know what is in it for them to believe correctly? I don't know who changed your mind but you need to ascertain whether that was from God or Satan, the master deceiver.
 

notuptome

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I see. So Israel are the tribes of the earth?

Most important question I forgot to ask. Just to be sure, when do you say this is occurring? I say you're telling me this is before the tribulation. The rapture, that is. This is important.
I believe that the rapture will occur before the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is Gods wrath poured out upon the earth. The 144,000 will be of Israel and they will be the ones preaching the Messiah during the tribulation period. Those who are on the earth during the millennial reign of Christ will be from every kindred tribe and tongue not just Israel.

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Roger
 
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The Christian: "the rapture is here, yay!"
The Skeptic: "What? That means that the world is going to be destroyed and most humans are going to die a terrible death then face eternity of being burned alive in continual pain and suffering. Curse you christians for laughing at the terrible suffering that awaits anyone who didn't hear your message! How can you be so callous that even your own brothers and sisters might die horribly then spend eternity writhing in ultimate pain! Have you already forgotten them? Have you already forgotten their lives? Are you that heartless? How can you be happy and even LOOK FORWARD to the final battle between good and evil, when you know that so MANY MILLIONS of people's lives will end, only to be brought back into hell? Go ahead and cheer then! Go on!"
 

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I believe that the rapture will occur before the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is Gods wrath poured out upon the earth.

Roger
The tribulation is Gods wrath? Any scriptures to prove what you say? I believe the tribulation will be the god of this worlds {satan} wrath and the Day of the Lord will be the day of the Lords {Jesus} wrath. But if you got scripture saying otherwise please show me.
 
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The tribulation is Gods wrath? Any scriptures to prove what you say? I believe the tribulation will be the god of this worlds {satan} wrath and the Day of the Lord will be the day of the Lords {Jesus} wrath. But if you got scripture saying otherwise please show me.
Rv15:1 And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up the wrath of God.
2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God


Standing on the sea of glass AFTER getting the victory over the beast and his image, and over his mark,. THEN the seven angels having the seven last plagues pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth and on the people that have the mark of the beast


Rv16:1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image

10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
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God HAS NOT appointed us to wrath.


1 Thessalonians5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
 

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hold up,,the rapture is not something told to the remaining population by any of those involved in the true rapture,,,,that is if we are being told of the true rapture,by anyone we are left behind,and it is being told to us by another who was left behind.

so has christ church been ruptured and we,,those left behind,,,,,are left here discussing our own fate?,,,,,,,,
 
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hold up,,the rapture is not something told to the remaining population by any of those involved in the true rapture,,,,that is if we are being told of the true rapture,by anyone we are left behind,and it is being told to us by another who was left behind.

so has christ church been ruptured and we,,those left behind,,,,,are left here discussing our own fate?,,,,,,,,
Sorry bro I don’t get it. Not sure what you are saying

The rapture is when Jesus comes and gets us at the last trumpet, and that hasn’t happened yet.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
 
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​ So where do you all think this scripture in Rev fits into the previous discussions? Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them that were beheaded for the witness of Christ, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the image, neither the beast, neither had received his mark upon there foreheads or in there hands; and they lived and reigned with christ a thousand years.(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection (6) Blessed is he that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest with God , and of Christ a thousand years.
 

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Those scriptures talk about the millenial rule of Christ, which comes after He gathers us up and returns to rule over this world.
 
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​ So where do you all think this scripture in Rev fits into the previous discussions? Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones and they that sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them that were beheaded for the witness of Christ, and for the word of God, and which had not worshiped the image, neither the beast, neither had received his mark upon there foreheads or in there hands; and they lived and reigned with christ a thousand years.(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection (6) Blessed is he that hath part in the first resurrection on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priest with God , and of Christ a thousand years.
To me its obvious its talking about After the tribulation after the mark of the beast,
And the reward is ruling with Christ the 1000 years.

And that would make a resurrection before the 1000 years, the first resurrection so we can rule and rain with Christ that 1000 years.

But the rest of the dead lived not again till the thousand years were finished
 
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I believe that the rapture will occur before the tribulation. We are not appointed to wrath and the tribulation is Gods wrath poured out upon the earth. The 144,000 will be of Israel and they will be the ones preaching the Messiah during the tribulation period. Those who are on the earth during the millennial reign of Christ will be from every kindred tribe and tongue not just Israel.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
I'm afraid you are. Sorry. You can think you're free from it but it isn't so.
 
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Sorry bro I don’t get it. Not sure what you are saying

The rapture is when Jesus comes and gets us at the last trumpet, and that hasn’t happened yet.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
And all this happens AFTER the tribulation. Matt 24:29-31. He did say that it was the LAST trumpet, right? That means there can't be any other trumpets after that one and I don't care how you wish to identify them. The last trumpet IS the last trumpet. If there is even one more trumpet used, it is therefore NOT the last trumpet. Our trumpet will then be the second to the last trumpet in this case.
 
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Rapture is not even in the bible -_-