Churches where marriages are arranged

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Does anybody join a church where the parents are allowed to choose the partners for their children? The latter ones have to marry that partner even if they do not love him as the church leader agreed on that. Will that person be banned if he rejects the partner?

I would not join such a church, but keep away from it. Such practices are non-biblical.
 

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I think in India a large percentage of marriages are still arranged by the parents.
It seems weird to me, but I guess it works ok for them.

I don't know about any specific churches that just teach arranged marriages as a point of doctrine.
 
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Nooooooo...Run away!
 
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I actually read somewhere that arranged marriages have less divorces than regular marriages... Pretty messed up...

In my opinion, the only person someone should consider choosing their spouse is God. He knows who your perfect match is.
 
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Does anybody join a church where the parents are allowed to choose the partners for their children? The latter ones have to marry that partner even if they do not love him as the church leader agreed on that. Will that person be banned if he rejects the partner?

I would not join such a church, but keep away from it. Such practices are non-biblical.
It was Jewish custom for the parents to either approve or disapprove marriages, but the clergymen had nothing to do with it. In fact, church marriage is relatively new.

In the days of Jesus, the marriage was actually undertaken solely by the husband and wife, and was blessed by the parents, who would also lay down time frames on consummation and such; often no sooner than 1 year after the exchange of some symbol of commitment and of the man's ability to provide for the woman, which was often something valuable and was given to the father of the bride or to the bride herself. A ring, a piece of jewelry, a number of livestock or something similar.
 
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I actually read somewhere that arranged marriages have less divorces than regular marriages... Pretty messed up...

In my opinion, the only person someone should consider choosing their spouse is God. He knows who your perfect match is.
There's a reason for this. I read about several muslim couples who were in arranged marriages, who hated each other to begin with. THey felt forced, trapped, imprisoned, all the usual emotions you would expect.

But they learnt to value one-another beyond looks or money or anything else, because they had to. Their marriages weren't based on the same fleeting things as modern marriage often is, and so they learned to love one another in ways that normal people don't. They learnt to love one another for reasons that were beyond power, clothes, money, cars, houses, looks, prowess or anything else. They learned to value one another for commitment, loyalty, respect, and mutual assurance. They had to learn to deal with and more appreciate flaws and imperfections instead of wanting them to dissolve or having the option to ditch the marriage because of them.

And these are the kind of unions that last.

IN one of the marriages, the couple really despised each other at first. They were together 6 months and the wife had an accident. The husband sat by her hospital bed for a week while she was comatose, and when she woke up, she realized he hadn't left her side the whole time. It brought her to tears to think that someone she barely even knew would do that for her. And that was the start of a long, happy marriage based on something more valuable than money or anything else.
 
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Back to the dark ages... awaaayyy!
 
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Back to the dark ages... awaaayyy!
It works for a large number of people. it's custom, and although it may be alien and misunderstood to you, it very much makes sense as far as the foundations and longevity of a marriage goes; if you can see past the initial 'I want my freedom' protests by the man and his wife. Read some stories about people who have experienced it. It doesn't always work, but then neither does regular marriage; over 50% percent of the time!

People in western marriages always think they've chosen the right person, yet over 50% of them fail. Why do you think that is?

I'm not promoting arranged marriage, but there's something to be said for how they develop and what the relationship becomes based on.

The western and eastern worlds are at opposite ends of the spectrum in a lot of ways in the marriage respect, and both forms of it have their good points and their bad points.
 
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And people who study this say that most of those arranged marriages worked, and our "all for love" doesn't work as well.

What makes you think that your way of marriage is better? God gives us lots of instructions regarding marriage, so it can be in line with His kingdom but I have never read of an instruction God gives that says that having someone else decide on the partner is wrong.

God says "the two shall become one". That also means one in how they live their life. Most people don't even consider that aspect of marriage, they just look at "in love".
 

maxwel

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Maybe I'll just go to a church where they arrange marriages and place an order.

I wonder if you can have your wife customized?

I wonder if that costs extra?
 
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I know that in some Mormon sects that the women are the ones that have the "inspiration from GOD" on who to marry. The men have no choice. The women wait on GOD, as they say, to tell them who to marry, and they go to their elders, the elders talk it over and what ever and then 2 weeks later that man is married, like it or not. But this would also be a polygamy sect and they believe that plural marriage is the way to heaven.
 
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I actually read somewhere that arranged marriages have less divorces than regular marriages... Pretty messed up...

In my opinion, the only person someone should consider choosing their spouse is God. He knows who your perfect match is.
Well I think most marriages were arranged way back when, at the time of Christ, anyway. That's not true now, obviously. I can't imagine such arrangements working nowadays, but we also don't a lot of room to brag when it comes to how successful modern marriages are these days, considering today's divorce rate, that is. So hey, I don't know what to tell you. :D
 

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In the days of Jesus, the marriage was actually undertaken solely by the husband and wife, and was blessed by the parents, who would also lay down time frames on consummation and such; often no sooner than 1 year after the exchange of some symbol of commitment and of the man's ability to provide for the woman, which was often something valuable and was given to the father of the bride or to the bride herself. A ring, a piece of jewelry, a number of livestock or something similar.

Do you have any support for the idea that the marriage was undertaken solely by the husband and wife. If you mean, they were the ones who got married, that makes sense. But if you are saying, they chose their own spouses, do you have any evidence for this? Jesus spoke of men 'giving in marriage.' That's what you do with your daughter. I suspect parents especially fathers were involved in choosing marriage partners for their daughters.
 
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There's a reason for this. I read about several muslim couples who were in arranged marriages, who hated each other to begin with. THey felt forced, trapped, imprisoned, all the usual emotions you would expect.

But they learnt to value one-another beyond looks or money or anything else, because they had to. Their marriages weren't based on the same fleeting things as modern marriage often is, and so they learned to love one another in ways that normal people don't. They learnt to love one another for reasons that were beyond power, clothes, money, cars, houses, looks, prowess or anything else. They learned to value one another for commitment, loyalty, respect, and mutual assurance. They had to learn to deal with and more appreciate flaws and imperfections instead of wanting them to dissolve or having the option to ditch the marriage because of them.

And these are the kind of unions that last.

IN one of the marriages, the couple really despised each other at first. They were together 6 months and the wife had an accident. The husband sat by her hospital bed for a week while she was comatose, and when she woke up, she realized he hadn't left her side the whole time. It brought her to tears to think that someone she barely even knew would do that for her. And that was the start of a long, happy marriage based on something more valuable than money or anything else.
Well I guess I never thought of it like that, what you typed makes sense. Besides, arranged marriages aren't nearly as ridiculous as polygamy is... Having more than one wife is just weird, and just unnatural.

Well I think most marriages were arranged way back when, at the time of Christ, anyway. That's not true now, obviously. I can't imagine such arrangements working nowadays, but we also don't a lot of room to brag when it comes to how successful modern marriages are these days, considering today's divorce rate, that is. So hey, I don't know what to tell you. :D
You said it... the divorce rate is just pathetic nowadays, so modern marriages can't really be defended anyway. That's why i'm both excited and afraid to get married, it's something that fails as often as it succeeds. It's sad.

However, most marriages these days aren't really "Godly" so to speak, since most of the world isn't saved. I do know plenty of christians who got divorces too though, so idk... Many of them got married before they were ready, but still I guess it really comes down to how imperfect humanity is.
 
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presidente

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In the Old Testament, we see fathers giving their daughters away in marriage. Jesus even mentions about 'marrying and giving in marriage' happening when the Son of Man comes. Grooms marry. Fathers give their daughters in marriage. One interpretation of part of I Corinthians 7 is that it mentions fathers giving their virgin daughters in marriage. That's the part that has a long footnote in the NIV. They went with the interpretation of the potential groom marrying the one promised to him in the main text. (The NIV likes to interpret things like that for the reader.)

In the Old Testament laws about marriage indicate that it is the father giving his daughter in marriage that makes it legal. There were some exceptions, like when the father was dead. There were women with no brothers who received an inheritance and they could marry whoever they wanted in their father's clan. In the New Testament, a widow could marry whoever she wanted, but only in the Lord. Also, in the Old Testament, there was a time when Benjamites stole brides at a festival because fathers had put themselves under a curse not to give their daughters to a Benjamite. After the Benjamites stole brides, the elders who had conceived the plan talked them into doing nothing about it. If a woman and a man fornicate, the father can decide whether or not to give her to him in marriage. He still had to pay the bride price for virgins. I assume the father had the same decision in the case of rape.

I've read that the account of the creation of Eve tells of God bringing Eve to Adam and uses the same word when it says he brought her to Adam that is used of giving daughters away in marriage. God, in a sense, we could argue, was Father to both of them. Of Adam, this is explicitly stated in Luke that he was the son of God.

Some people say, "Oh that was just their culture back then. We have a different culture where children choose." But based on what we have in scripture, I'd say it's better to hold to the idea of the father giving the daughter away, if he is still alive. It makes a lot of sense if both father and daughter are believers.

I'm teaching my kids to treat the idea of 'teen dating' in movies as a fairy tale. It aint gonna happen, at least not in the early teens. "Do not awaken love until the proper time." Why should I let my children date if they aren't close to an age where they would realistically marry? I have no plans to send my children out at 16 in a car with someone of the opposite sex that is interested in them, romantically. It makes no sense.

I am also teaching my daughters that I am to approve of their future spouses and be involved in picking them out.

If you think about it, the way we do things in the US makes little sense. We have a high divorce rate, and the kids are free to choose without a lot of family input. I don't want my kids to marry someone they don't like. I am okay with them finding their own spouses. But I want to be involved and at the least have 'veto power' over dating (preferrably courting) and especially marriage. I also consider myself to be a guardian of my children's virginity. The woman in the Old Testament who lost her virginity but was married off as a virgin and it was discovered was stoned to death-- what for, playing the harlot in her father's house. She brings shame on her father in addition to everything else.

For thousands of years, parents have chosen spouses for their children. Some Indians are on the far end of the 'arranged' side of the spectrum, but a lot of Indian young people in their 20's think the concept is just fine. There are some positive things about it. They seem to engage the rational parts of their brain in getting married, the candidates for marriage that is, and the parents help them spot things they might not have considered if they had gotten married based on solely on looks and feelings like a lot of Americans.

Americans so often rely on looks and feelings that it is pretty obvious they aren't relying much on common sense. I'm speaking of secular Americans. In some countries, single parents are damaged goods and it's hard for them to remarry. It's hard for divorced people to remarry. In the US, you can find cases of a single woman whose never been married who will marry a man whose been divorced twice, or a really young man who marries a woman many years older who has lots of kids, and he knows nothing about parenting. The parents of those getting married just don't have a say, and it shows sometimes in their children's choices. In countries where parents choose or have veto power, then the parents say why are you wanting to marry this person. It's not a good match. They can also spot differences in personality and values, sometimes, that will cause problems.

My wife is from a country where people generally don't marry if the parents don't approve, even 30 year olds who have been dating for a year. I had a friend who waited a couple of years for his father's approval. He was Chinese, but his potential bride wasn't. His dad was a preacher, and he was a minister of the gospel, too. The woman, his wife now, was a believer active with him in ministry. He waited until his father approved. That probably wasn't the best situation, but I think it is good he honored his father, apparently.

On our wedding day, I don't think the civil registrar would have approved us for a license if her parents hadn't given consent. She asked.

I wouldn't want to choose some spouse they are physically unattracted to and order them to marry. I wouldn't have wanted that for myself.
 

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Colallela,

I've read that less than 1% of marriages where couples regularly pray together end in divorce. I haven't found an academic study, but I've read something secondary that said there was a survey of 1000 people, which is a pretty good sample size, in one part of the US. I'm not sure if they were all Christians, but that may have been the case.
 
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I beleive that if ones parents or church may perhaps introduce thy or indicate they may like or approve of such a marriage but definately not forsing marriage.

As written previously slavery has happened for such and parents selling their children without childs consent.

What type of parents do you have?
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sell you as slave or forse you in marriage to someone abuses you , isolates you and keeps ou as slave while ruds out live luxory with your enemy on your money.....and when you in hospital might masturbate and be having se with others and not care but instead travel and live wonderfully while giving you peanuts of what is rightfully yours.


No, it is illegal to forse a marriage.

Some marry for wrong reasons, keep slave, for money only,steal your colours, energy and leave you drained slaveisolated and hated or mary you to please their parents but then end up cheating and resenting spouse.

I would never marry such.

I am not married and am soooo lonely but i rather be lonely than marry in such way.
Once had my enemies try forse me marriage for all wrong reasons, slavery doesnt cut it.

I said no and that made them do more illegal things so they "keep up appearances" .

The woman been stalking me and stealing everything from me and im still try get restrainingorder on them.
They ruined more than i can say.
im 35 and will never forgive them.
may god forgive them for i will not.

I then met a catholic man who i have had contact with sometimes but not met irl.
He is so beautiful, and i love him but been betrayed so many times and we not met in real life and i still have these others stalking me and isolating me etc.


I truly hope i will meet him and that he has no contact not will he with these people i restrainingorder on.
That would be part of prenuptual agreement. lol very important.


He is funny, and wonderful to be with and deep and real but i dare not get any hopes up with him.
I can not have relationship until these people are removed from me so a better people can come in.

It is a couple and they been stalking me.
Legally im not married to them but they have been stealing from me and taking credit for my work etc and using as slave and done ilegal thinsg to me.


When i told him to stay away he slapped me.
I got restrainingorder on both of them and they still stalk me.
Because they were using me and gaining so much from it.

I need help , keep them away.

They are in the way of me being with this catholic man or any good people i want in my life.
They isolate me, lie , etc.

I do not beleive in forsed marriages.
Thats ilegal.
But beleive in advise and approval and "liking" or introducing if they accept that.


Raped 2 year olds and to many awful things I have met people experience.


Pray for help these people stalking me , will be removed in every way shape and form.
They come by my body and i feel so violated.
Its been years and i am not happy.
not been happy ever.
isolated, alone .


They were removed by professionals but keep coming back.
I need them removed for ever more from me in every way shape and form and they been only ones around me for so long.


Pray they be removed and i can have a real date.
I want to marry and willed it be this catholic man is of interest.
but these people are in the way and i cant stand it , every day and night violated and they did steal my work and take credit for it and did illegal things.


I cant express how awful it is to have them around and the illegal thinsg they did to me is beyond words.
 
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Colallela,

I've read that less than 1% of marriages where couples regularly pray together end in divorce. I haven't found an academic study, but I've read something secondary that said there was a survey of 1000 people, which is a pretty good sample size, in one part of the US. I'm not sure if they were all Christians, but that may have been the case.
Wow, not bad at all. Thanks for sharing that. :cool:
 
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Do you have any support for the idea that the marriage was undertaken solely by the husband and wife. If you mean, they were the ones who got married, that makes sense. But if you are saying, they chose their own spouses, do you have any evidence for this? Jesus spoke of men 'giving in marriage.' That's what you do with your daughter. I suspect parents especially fathers were involved in choosing marriage partners for their daughters.
I meant there was generally no priest or minister involved. As you can see, I mentioned that the parents laid down the rules and gave the blessings.
 

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Maybe I'll just go to a church where they arrange marriages and place an order.

I wonder if you can have your wife customized?

I wonder if that costs extra?
I met a man who asked a Korean pastor in a Korean church in the US about finding a wife. She set him up with someone, and he married her. They may have dated. When I was in Korea, they said a large percentage of marriages, maybe 30% or so, were arranged. But their dating was kind of 'arranged' too. In college, an older student might suggest a potential match for freshman. The three of them go out for coffee. I got set up on a blind date without knowing what was going on, once. She was very beautiful. She was Buddhist, though, and she was one of my students, so I declined pursing a relationship with a student and didn't end up dating her. They said when someone got up in years, say around 30 for women or a little older for men, their relatives would either try to match them up or they might hire a professional matchmaker. Aunts at bus stops showing other aunts and grandmother's their nephews and nieces pictures. A Korean graduate student I knew said when she finished her degree, she might either marry a graduate student she knew, or this other guy her parents wanted to set her up that she hadn't met. He had an advanced degree in the same field and their father's were friends.

They told me when I lived there that the arranged marriages had lower divorce rates. I think part of it is the fact that the marriage isn't based on feelings. Americans aren't always aware of our assumptions, but we've been programmed by TV, movies, even cartoons from childhood to emphasize the importance of feelings when it comes to marriage-- phrases like 'happily every after.' Have you ever watched an episode of 'The Bachelor' where the women gush about feeling like they are in love. Girls who watch that show are taught to value the feelings they get in a relationship. Some people think when the emotional high of infatuation is over in marriage, that they should dump their partner. You know, those feelings your body can only handle for a short period of time that make you unable to eat when you are with that person.

The media also inundates Americans with this idea that marriage is about happiness, and if you aren't happy, it's okay to move on. Not everyone thinks that way, but some people do. We should be happy in our marriages, but if we aren't, we need to work on our emotions, not get rid of the marriage.