examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

this is my best estimate.
but, still waiting for a thorough examination of posted examples by those qualified to know.
so far it appears those who speak in tongues are not in agreement about whether the posted examples are real or not.
if people inside the movement are unable to know, how is anyone outside the movement to know?

It's a completely subjective experience. I used to speak in tongues years ago. In retrospect, I think the time that I received them by the laying on of hands in front of a church was demonic in nature. I remember blacking out briefly while I was jibber-jabbering in front of the cheering congregation. I now think it was performance art subconsciously done to satisfy crowd expectations, or a brief demonic 'possession' (or both). That whole period of my life was filled with supernatural manifestations, some of it very real, some of it demonic. A confusing time for sure.

What I did after the pentecostal experience was learned behavior from what I saw others doing. It was a willful act. It did quiet my mind in a way, which seemed beneficial as it did make me feel that I was drawing closer to GOD. But that gets back to my previous question wondering if tongues is a mystical practice that makes one feel something.

 

[JaumeJ]

Again, there are a multitude of fakes within the ranks of the assemblies of the Most High. It is my prayerful, meditated, and studied understanding that no power of Yahweh, God may be studied by any who do not believe these powers and gifts exist. First believe.
Neither the Father, God, nor His gifts to His childre will ever be proven by any intellectual or scientific approach. Again, the thought of any who believe Him investigating empirically as to the veracity of His works is just not within the framework of worship. This I believe.
It is also my firm belief that any investigating in such a manner, that is scientifically motivated will only discover hoaxes.
Why anyone who does have a gift from the Father would consent to demonstrating like a circus side show event is beyond my powers of reason.
Yahweh, God bless all in the faith of Yeshua, Jesus, amen.

 

[Abiding]

You well know I refer to testing or provoking Yahweh. If anyone wishes to go around testing the brethren that would be a real personal problem.

The investigation of the gifts is investigating if the Word is true or not.



There is no manner to investigate whether a person has the gift to pray in tongues or not. This is between the person and the One Who gave the gift. In the meantime when a brother or sister is not harming the assembly in praying privately to Yahweh, it is moot to ridiculous to investigate.

This would require a gift of knowledge from on high, and without it, I restate the entire post.

Do you claim the Blood of Yeshua, Jesus for your salvation? I confess His precious Blood saves me. Yeshua, Jesus is Lord and God, amen.

Again, the following is what is being "investigated" by the ones in question:

1Co 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.


In the meantime you are whining to me to the point of stalking. If you do not have your own thoughts on the matter, consult your cohorts. I am sorry if I have made you uncomfortable, but I must convey what I know from the Word, it cannot be just a few friends agreeing with each other. Yahweh bless you with His Light and none other, amen...

I wasnt whining to you, i was rebuking you. And not as you say, for conveying what you know from the word either,
nor was that making anyone uncomfortable. In fact i like it when you do that, that doesnt bother anyone i dont think.
Your pretty deaf to correction, and rather taken back when you get it. The nerve, the nerve, "who do you think you are"
And hide behind a confession of faith. Enjoy yourself!

 

[JaumeJ]

What do I hear?

 

[JaumeJ]

It is a Psalm for all of us.


Psa 143:1
A Psalm of David. Hear my prayer, O LORD, give ear to my supplications: in thy faithfulness answer me, and in thy righteousness.

Psa 143:2
And enter not into judgment with thy servant: for in thy sight shall no man living be justified.

Psa 143:3
For the enemy hath persecuted my soul; he hath smitten my life down to the ground; he hath made me to dwell in darkness, as those that have been long dead.

Psa 143:4
Therefore is my spirit overwhelmed within me; my heart within me is desolate.

Psa 143:5
I remember the days of old; I meditate on all thy works; I muse on the work of thy hands.

Psa 143:6
I stretch forth my hands unto thee: my soul thirsteth after thee, as a thirsty land. Selah.

Psa 143:7
Hear me speedily, O LORD: my spirit faileth: hide not thy face from me, lest I be like unto them that go down into the pit.

Psa 143:8
Cause me to hear thy lovingkindness in the morning; for in thee do I trust: cause me to know the way wherein I should walk; for I lift up my soul unto thee.

Psa 143:9
Deliver me, O LORD, from mine enemies: I flee unto thee to hide me.

Psa 143:10
Teach me to do thy will; for thou art my God: thy spirit is good; lead me into the land of uprightness.

Psa 143:11
Quicken me, O LORD, for thy name's sake: for thy righteousness' sake bring my soul out of trouble.


Psa 143:12
And of thy mercy cut off mine enemies, and destroy all them that afflict my soul: for I am thy servant.

 

[Abiding]

What do I hear?

You heard me typing to debate your claim that "The investigation of the gifts is investigating if the Word is true or not."
Untrue statement...should be more like "investigate the word, to see if the gifts are true or not"
Why do you think Pauls letter to the Corinthians was written?

 

[JaumeJ]

Now you are on the subject. This is exactly why I have been posting what is IN the Word. All I get back are other opinions on whether or not the power of Yahweh is ever manifested through His servants here, His children. Thank you for getting back on the subject.

You heard me typing to debate your claim that "The investigation of the gifts is investigating if the Word is true or not."
Untrue statement...should be more like "investigate the word, to see if the gifts are true or not"
Why do you think Pauls letter to the Corinthians was written?

 

[JaumeJ]

Allow me to phrase this differently. Is not Paul teaching the appropriate manner for the use of praying in tongues in this Scripture?

1Co 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

 

[Abiding]

Now you are on the subject. This is exactly why I have been posting what is IN the Word. All I get back are other opinions on whether or not the power of Yahweh is ever manifested through His servants here, His children. Thank you for getting back on the subject.

Huh? i wasnt even posting on this thread...i only responded to your posts....just yours JaumeJ
you were the one off on a rampage, making judgements past your paygrade. And far from the
threads design...there are more than one "tongues" threads at this time for general opinion making.
And biblical based statements. But you knew that.

 

[Abiding]

Allow me to phrase this differently. Is not Paul teaching the appropriate manner for the use of praying in tongues in this Scripture?

1Co 14:14
For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15
What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

You dont have to show me what scriptures say about the gifts. For one im fully aware of them.
Second im not a cessesationists. and finally i have made no claim one way or the other to you, about
tongues, or praying in tongues. Not that i wont, just havnt.

 

[JaumeJ]

What you are saying in effect is you may say whatever you wish to me regardless as to what the string of thought is I have been posting all along.

That is quite disjointed. You commented on what was said on down the line in the thoughts and teachings with no regard whatsoever what the source of the remarks being made and the information being shared.

Do as you say, is that it? Now I know you will not answer to what I post although you know you could. That is very christian of you. You are above commenting on the conversation, kind of like if you do not like a phrase that's all she wrote. I will have to remember that one.

You dont have to show me what scriptures say about the gifts. For one im fully aware of them.
Second im not a cessesationists. and finally i have made no claim one way or the other to you, about
tongues, or praying in tongues. Not that i wont, just havnt.

 

[4enlightment]

If someone truly has the gift of tongues they will be able to spread the Gospel to these people in their native tongue, and which the Gospel must be spread throughout the world. Everything that God has created has a meaning.

<strong>[video=youtube_share;c246fZ-7z1w]http://youtu.be/c246fZ-7z1w[/video]

Hebrews 6:1Therefore let us move beyond the elementary teachings about Christ and be taken forward to maturity, not laying again the foundation of repentance from acts that lead to death, and of faith in God,

bab·ble(b

b

l)v. bab·bled, bab·bling, bab·bles
v.intr.1. To utter a meaningless confusion of words or sounds: Babies babble before they can talk.
2. To talk foolishly or idly; chatter: "In 1977 [he] was thought of as crazy because he was babbling about supply side" (Newt Gingrich).
3. To make a continuous low, murmuring sound, as flowing water.

v.tr.1. To utter rapidly and indistinctly.
2. To blurt out impulsively; disclose without careful consideration.

n.1. Inarticulate or meaningless talk or sounds.
2. Idle or foolish talk; chatter.
3. A continuous low, murmuring sound, as of flowing water.

 

[JaumeJ]

If anyone preaches a gospel other than that delivered by Yeshua, Jesus, not that there is another gospel, let him be anathema.

 

[Abiding]

What you are saying in effect is you may say whatever you wish to me regardless as to what the string of thought is I have been posting all along.

That is quite disjointed. You commented on what was said on down the line in the thoughts and teachings with no regard whatsoever what the source of the remarks being made and the information being shared.

Do as you say, is that it? Now I know you will not answer to what I post although you know you could. That is very christian of you. You are above commenting on the conversation, kind of like if you do not like a phrase that's all she wrote. I will have to remember that one.

No your still missing it...i responded to your off the subject demands and judgements.
I didnt find any fault in your scripture referencing.

Also i hadnt seen you post to me asking my views on anything legit.
I dont mind doing so, i just havnt seen it.

Your do as i say comment doesnt seem to fit. I dont remember telling you to do anything.

 

[JaumeJ]

I leave you to your ways. What I have posted, anything, no matter how you have approached it, is from the teachings as far as I am concerned. I believe this, and nothing will convince me otherwise. +
You seem to think I do not understand that all things should be tried. That is not the point. What is being "experimented" upon is various individuals who video their claimed gifts. Perhaps the more correct word is "investigated." I made it clear the gifts that are true are not some side show carny event, and I doubt seriously if anyone is going to find true gifts with a scientific approach. I have in mind the teaching that one should not destroy oneself with what is falsely called knowledge or in many translations, science, both mean the same. The Most High God is not going to demonstrate His gifts for anyone who has already determined they no longer exist, and to attempt to investigate this in human terms is ludicrous at best. Now you are a man of certain age. None of this should be offensive to anyone who is in Yeshua. The line of conversation has gone on for some time, yet you take it upon yourself assuming I am judging someone to damnation. Not, I am judging by what I have been taught what is right, and this we are told to do by the Master. Try to resist the temptation of commenting on what is posted if you have not researched what the post is truly about.
The op of this thread is a carryover from another on a closely related theme.

 

[RickShafer]

Nice..................

Referring to the gift of tongues with a huge picture of an antichrist figure.

Mice.

 

[MaggieMye]

at 17:30 in the above video, the narrator says there is a religious demon named Stop-Tongue.

the demon Stop-Tongue floods the person on the brink of receiving tongues with every religious sounding argument for not carrying through.

has anyone heard of this demon?[/QUOTE I have not heard of this particular demon, per se. However, we call demons either by name as we know them (fear, pride, rebellion, sloth, greed, etc.) OR we call them by what they DO. So that is what is being referenced in the video (which by they way..when I went to finish watching it after my son closed it out, would not show any video...just solid black with audio). And just because someone has not heard of a demon referenced as 'Stop-Tongue' before, does not mean that it does not or cannot exist. We need to remember that there are millions upon millions of demonic entities....who would anyone know all their names?
I will say, that this 'stop-tongue' demon IS a demon of fear and or pride...causing the person to fear being viewed as silly, as sounding silly, or inadequate in some way, not 'getting it right' ....there is no right or wrong, there is just DO or Don't.
Maggie

 

[peacefulbeliever]

at 17:30 in the above video, the narrator says there is a religious demon named Stop-Tongue.

the demon Stop-Tongue floods the person on the brink of receiving tongues with every religious sounding argument for not carrying through.

has anyone heard of this demon?

Haven't ever heard of this. . .I believe that fear could be one of the reasons preventing some from speaking in tongues. Unbelief keeps some from even trying to speak in tongues. Then also some may start speaking but. . .mentally talk themselves out of speaking when they hear the new language coming out of their mouths. . .because it does sound unfamiliar and IT SHOULD because we do not know the language. . .God does. . .

 

[peacefulbeliever]

[video=youtube;hKqyiVuDMeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKqyiVuDMeE[/video]

Part 4 of 4 Speaking In Tongues: How To Do It, guidance, step by step instructions

5:29:

"Why does it seem so strange? Because whereas you're used to controlling what you say in your mind, now the Lord Jesus is giving you utterance via the Holy Spirit inside you and it's by-passing your brain....it's by-passing your understanding. it's just going to your speech center so you can speak it out. that's all it is"

is this a common teaching?
is it accurate?

this man is quite specific in his instruction.

8:20

"Speak that one syllable. God's not going to give you a sentence, He doesn't need to. He just needs to give you one syllable and as soon as you speak it He'll give you a second and as soon as you speak that He'll give you a third."

8:30

he then proceeds to demonstrate his own tongues-speaking.

is this authentic?

please tell me how i can know.

(My experience ONLY) This is how speaking in tongues began for me. I had always wanted to speak in tongues. I would attend various churches which practiced speaking in tongues and always waited for God to "take me over". . ."to possess me and MAKE me speak". . NOTHING happened! One night, after reading a book in which the manifestation of speaking in tongues was taught in detail (1 Cor. 12: - 14) in which there was step by step instructions. Basically, just as he is explaining. I prayed about it and followed the steps. . .I uttered a sound. . (how else does sound come from you if you do not utilize YOUR vocal chords!) and just kept going. . .Did it sound unfamiliar - YOU BET. . but I kept on. . the more that I spoke the more the language began to just flow . . . from that day forth I continue to speak in tongues.

Do I believe that it is authentic? Yes, because I have experienced it.

How can you know? Discern for your self. . .that's all I can say.

Hey zone. . .can you post this video for me. . .I am a dummy when it comes to the computer!!!!

youtube.com/watch?v=NZQBajYnEc

Medical Study proves Holy Spirit praying. .

Thanks.

 

[RickShafer]

If someone truly has the gift of tongues they will be able to spread the Gospel to these people in their native tongue, and which the Gospel must be spread throughout the world. Everything that God has created has a meaning.


This was Parham's contention, (Topeka revival 1903).
That tongues were meant to do missionary work since Jesus was coming back so soon and they didn't have time to actually learn the languages, - that was 1903.
He was wrong then just as you are wrong now about tongues only being for evangelizing.

It is a wrong assumption that tongues are solely meant to spread the gospel.

"Though I speak with the tongues of angels?" - I Cor.13:1
What tribe speaks 'ANGEL'?

"He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifies himself" - I Cor.14:4
How's that?