examples of speaking in tongues - need verification and explanations, please
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what Spirit witnessing?
it doesn't say that!
it says if you are speaking in a language no one else knows, you're edified because YOU know what the message is...in your spirit.
God gave it to you.
so when you speak it, you are edified, CUZ YOU DIG IT.
nobody else does unless they speak the lingo or there's a translator.
LOOK:
chinese man teaching in chinese.
he is happy, edified, because he knows what he said and wrote.
but....his pupils don't understand chinese.
are they edified?
NO.
so should that teacher keep teaching them?
HOW would that edify them?
or should he BE QUIET and be edified himself by speaking to God in chinese because he and GOD know what he is saying.
it doesn't say that!
it says if you are speaking in a language no one else knows, you're edified because YOU know what the message is...in your spirit.
God gave it to you.
so when you speak it, you are edified, CUZ YOU DIG IT.
nobody else does unless they speak the lingo or there's a translator.
LOOK:
chinese man teaching in chinese.
he is happy, edified, because he knows what he said and wrote.
but....his pupils don't understand chinese.
are they edified?
NO.
so should that teacher keep teaching them?
HOW would that edify them?
or should he BE QUIET and be edified himself by speaking to God in chinese because he and GOD know what he is saying.
"Paul was given a special affectation, a certain dispensation of tongues."
Yet he wanted them all to surpass him. - "I would that you spoke in tongues more than me..."
Wait a minute!..........Wasn't Paul the one who said he was the Apostle to the gentiles?
If tongues were for apolistic use, he wouldn't wish such a thing for believers he knew weren't called to do it.
Kind of a quandary there .....
Yet he wanted them all to surpass him. - "I would that you spoke in tongues more than me..."
Wait a minute!..........Wasn't Paul the one who said he was the Apostle to the gentiles?
If tongues were for apolistic use, he wouldn't wish such a thing for believers he knew weren't called to do it.
Kind of a quandary there .....
U
No ... I didn't say this Rick. I'm saying that when Paul was speaking an earthly language that was unknown/unlearned to him for the sake of the gospel message, this was the true biblical gift of tongues given by God the Father to Paul.
Acts 2:7-12
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7 [/SUP]Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome [SUP]11 [/SUP](both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”[SUP]12 [/SUP]Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
Acts 2:7-12
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7 [/SUP]Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? [SUP]8 [/SUP]Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? [SUP]9 [/SUP]Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]10 [/SUP]Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome [SUP]11 [/SUP](both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!”[SUP]12 [/SUP]Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
what Spirit witnessing?
it doesn't say that!
it says if you are speaking in a language no one else knows, you're edified because YOU know what the message is...in your spirit.
God gave it to you.
so when you speak it, you are edified, CUZ YOU DIG IT.
nobody else does unless they speak the lingo or there's a translator.
LOOK:
chinese man teaching in chinese.
he is happy, edified, because he knows what he said and wrote.
but....his pupils don't understand chinese.
are they edified?
NO.
so should that teacher keep teaching them?
HOW would that edify them?
or should he BE QUIET and be edified himself by speaking to God in chinese because he and GOD know what he is saying.
it doesn't say that!
it says if you are speaking in a language no one else knows, you're edified because YOU know what the message is...in your spirit.
God gave it to you.
so when you speak it, you are edified, CUZ YOU DIG IT.
nobody else does unless they speak the lingo or there's a translator.
LOOK:
chinese man teaching in chinese.
he is happy, edified, because he knows what he said and wrote.
but....his pupils don't understand chinese.
are they edified?
NO.
so should that teacher keep teaching them?
HOW would that edify them?
or should he BE QUIET and be edified himself by speaking to God in chinese because he and GOD know what he is saying.
He that speaks in an unknown tongue only knows it himself. - (That's why it's an unknown tongue)
I should have seen it! - An unknown tongue ACTUALLY means the person speaking it knows it!
- Like a chinese teacher, I get it now.....it takes me awhile to catch on but.....what you are saying is that if an Epicurean was to visit a Jewish assembly he should keep quite because someone might not recognize his actual praises/worship.
Gotcha! - - - So that's the gift of tongues?
1 Corinthians 14
8 For example, if a bugle doesn’t sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 In the same way, unless you speak an intelligible message with your language, how will anyone know what is being said? You’ll be talking into the air!
18I thank God that I speak in foreign languages more than all of you. 19But in church I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others than 10,000 words in a foreign language.
20Brothers, stop beingf childish in your thinking. Be like infants with respect to evil, but think like adults. 21In the Law it is written,
“By means of foreign languages
and through the mouths of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,”g
declares the Lord.
22Foreign languages, then, are meant to be a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers
if you're speaking in tongues in private...who's getting the SIGN?
8 For example, if a bugle doesn’t sound a clear call, who will get ready for battle? 9 In the same way, unless you speak an intelligible message with your language, how will anyone know what is being said? You’ll be talking into the air!
18I thank God that I speak in foreign languages more than all of you. 19But in church I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others than 10,000 words in a foreign language.
20Brothers, stop beingf childish in your thinking. Be like infants with respect to evil, but think like adults. 21In the Law it is written,
“By means of foreign languages
and through the mouths of foreigners
I will speak to this people,
but even then they will not listen to me,”g
declares the Lord.
22Foreign languages, then, are meant to be a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers
if you're speaking in tongues in private...who's getting the SIGN?
U
Yes ... Paul was God's chosen apostle to the gentiles. And Paul also proclaimed that if he could, he would accurse himself if it meant accomplishing Christ's salvation for more of his Jewish brethren. If more or all of Paul's gentile converts to Christianity spoke in tongues more than he, does it then not stand to reason that more of his Jewish brethren would have witnessed firsthand this sign given for the sake of those unbelieving Jews, his brethren ? No quandary here Rick. Just Paul's zealous fervour to see his brethren saved ... even though God chose to send him to us gentiles.
See how you shape your argument based on your preconceived notions?
Like the infilling of the Holy Ghost is to spurn the Jews on to repent.
Like tongues is only a sign for the Jews.
Do you really think God would contradict Himself? - "An evil generation seeks a sign". - (Jesus)
They had their sign. They rejected Him. The gentile inflow into the kingdom of heaven doesn't have anything to do with any sign!
- Except that of Jonah the prophet.
Tongues are not for a sign.
Like the infilling of the Holy Ghost is to spurn the Jews on to repent.
Like tongues is only a sign for the Jews.
Do you really think God would contradict Himself? - "An evil generation seeks a sign". - (Jesus)
They had their sign. They rejected Him. The gentile inflow into the kingdom of heaven doesn't have anything to do with any sign!
- Except that of Jonah the prophet.
Tongues are not for a sign.
um...not really, jinxy
some folks are trying to respond to the vids, but mixed results.
honestly nothing i can put my trust in.
lots of subjectivity and feelings.
but going through the scriptures repeatedly strengthens my belief and trust in them.
the gifts ceased, just as they were intended to do.
nite jinxy.
some folks are trying to respond to the vids, but mixed results.
honestly nothing i can put my trust in.
lots of subjectivity and feelings.
but going through the scriptures repeatedly strengthens my belief and trust in them.
the gifts ceased, just as they were intended to do.
nite jinxy.
J
um...not really, jinxy
some folks are trying to respond to the vids, but mixed results.
honestly nothing i can put my trust in.
lots of subjectivity and feelings.
but going through the scriptures repeatedly strengthens my belief and trust in them.
the gifts ceased, just as they were intended to do.
nite jinxy.
some folks are trying to respond to the vids, but mixed results.
honestly nothing i can put my trust in.
lots of subjectivity and feelings.
but going through the scriptures repeatedly strengthens my belief and trust in them.
the gifts ceased, just as they were intended to do.
nite jinxy.
Now, This is what Paul said, (not me); Paul :
I Corinthians 14
:2 "For He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but to God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries."
:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,but my understanding is unfruitful."
:15 "WHAT IS IT THEN? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
I will sing with the spirit,and I will sing with the understanding also." - (Notice the juxtaposition of spirit and rational mind)
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily giveth thanks well, but the other is not edified.
: 18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. (More contrast between praying in the spirit and praying with understanding)
:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children(slow to hate), but in understanding be men.(grasp it!)
:21 In the law it is written, With other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that they will not hear me, saith the Lord. (reference to Isa. 28:11,12)
I Corinthians 14
:2 "For He that speaks in an unknown tongue speaks not to men, but to God: for no man understands him; howbeit in the spirit he speaks mysteries."
:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth,but my understanding is unfruitful."
:15 "WHAT IS IT THEN? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also:
I will sing with the spirit,and I will sing with the understanding also." - (Notice the juxtaposition of spirit and rational mind)
:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest?
:17 For thou verily giveth thanks well, but the other is not edified.
: 18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than you all:
:19 Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue. (More contrast between praying in the spirit and praying with understanding)
:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children(slow to hate), but in understanding be men.(grasp it!)
:21 In the law it is written, With other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that they will not hear me, saith the Lord. (reference to Isa. 28:11,12)