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sonjohn
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jinx
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thats too bad
It is a sin for folks to perish in ignorance especially ignorance of the scriptures. To trust water baptism for salvation defies reason.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
you are judging my eternal condition hom?
really?
alright.
just so we know.
this is a cheap but standard reaction by our uber-spiritual i have left my flesh and am now only sinless spirit friends
a dime a doz.
all the mixing truth with error you do is evidence you ain't all that spiritual.
despising baptism and church is another good sign.
LSC (Lonely Sailor's Church) membership easy.
heeding the leading of the Spirit to join with the Church in actual face to face communion is a MUST DO (unless, unlike baptism, there is something hindering it).
excuses excuses.
trusting water for salvation?
who does that?
maybe your Bible is only the size of a postage stamp and is John 3:16.
Roman Catholics for one. Probably the root of all this water baptism being essential to salvation nonsense.
Explain yourself.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
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jinx
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LOL.... he said "explain yourself" like a mad bull.....LOL
have fun with this zone.... it should be fun to watch.
have fun with this zone.... it should be fun to watch.
Then we love as we are loved, for no man will love past what they percieve that they are loved period, and the same goes for forgiveness.
If you do not believe God to unconditionally love you, then one will only love to the that point percieved that god loves them.
If one sees this unconditional love that god has spread out to all, then one will love all as god already has shown us this unconditional love
Romans 5:8But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 8:34Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.
2 Corinthians 5:14For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus: that if One died for all, then all died;
Now this to us all was done for us all before we were ever born here and now,
1 John 3:23And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.
1 John 4:9In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live throug
1 John 4:10In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.h Him.
1 John 4:11Beloved, if God so loved us, we also ought to love one another
1 John 4:12[ Seeing God Through Love ] No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us.
1 John 4:16And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him.
1 John 4:17[ The Consummation of Love ] Love has been perfected among us in this: that we may have boldness in the day of judgment; because as He is, so are we in this world.
1 John 4:19We love Him because He first loved us.
1 John 4:21And this commandment we have from Him: that he who loves God must love his brother also.
1 John 5:2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.
1 John 5:3For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
2 John 1:5And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another.
2 John 1:6This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.
3 John 1:6who have borne witness of your love before the church. If you send them forward on their journey in a manner worthy of God, you will do well,
Thank You for your answer and may the cards fall where they may fall, not Judging I only asked you and you did not answer you diverted the question
Again who is christ to you? in your own words please we are here to share what each sees and each to learn from the other
down to denounce and say oyu aren't and I am, or I got the truth and you do not, as I have seen you post inconspicuously leaving it to the others conjecture, and then they get mad and accuse as I saw when I first came to CC by another poster that got banned, because their sinful flesh was brought out and I tried to help, and you got on here and tried to tell me how that other person was not of God and that other person said you were not
Now only God truly knows and I am comfortable with that, knowing God's type of love. Because regardless of any cc post, GOD JUST LOVE YOu, ME, AND THE WHOLE WORLD
God did not come to destroy but to save all by belief in God at the cross of christ where we are in reception of the Holy Ghost by the resurrected Chirst
1 Timothy 1:15This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: “Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners”—and I am the worst of them all.
Anyway thanks for all you post for we all see a little differantly as we all grow in God's grace, truth is I believe and Christ came in the flesh to save sinners as me and did by the resurrected christ, after I was water Babtized, having a good conscious towards God, and was not for salvation it was for me wanting to serve God and nor seeing at that time the differance of water and Spirit Babtism, one is for repentance the other is for life. The for life is a gift from God through Chirst. Water is a work that is born in the beiever a work of the flesh that shows one their death, so to get water babtized is good, and it does lead to truth, I know I remember how hard I tried, and it was the "I" in my way as Paul speaks of in romans 7. this is all I have ever said, water babtism is not a law it is a free will choice between god and that one doing it, whether in public or not. God knows who are his and who are not whether they profess or not. They either possess or they do not, whether they are water Babtized or not, without the Spirit of God possesing this then we are none of his
Then if you are not trusting water for a part of salvation why then are you saying we must as if it is a law that we must or am I misinterpreting you. please explain, if water babtism does not give life to me, or anyone why is it required?
Not sure either Roger but here is the scripture and no water babtism in it, just beleive
[h=3]John 3:16[/h]New Living Translation (NLT)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]“For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.
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sonjohn
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Yes. This verse is the key. On this I can agree. Jesus taught water baptism. Jesus baptized with the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the only one who could baptize with the Holy Spirit. Jesus commanded the apostles to go into all the world and preach the gospel to every living creature, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that He commanded them. Jesus tied all this together, the gospel, belief, repentance, confession, baptism. If you believe Jesus, you will not perish, but have eternal life. The record is more than just John 3:16. John the baptist drew the distinction between himself and Jesus to the pharisees when they were asking if he was the messiah. Jesus poured out the Holy spirit on the apostles on the day of pentecost. Peter stood up and preached the gospel, and baptized in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus poured out the Holy Spirit on the house of Cornelius. Peter was convinced the gentiles were included in recieving the saving grace of God. Peter confirmed this was Jesus baptizing with the Holy Spirit by refering to what John the baptisit said about Jesus to the pharisees. Peter baptized them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. I can find no other record of Jesus pouring out the Holy Spirit on anyone. Doesn't mean He didn't. Doesn't mean He won't. Jesus can do what he wants, who am I to say otherwise? Not my department. We have been taught through the record what to do. Yes, belief in Jesus is key. Harmony
Thanks, beleif in Christ is the begining of the new life God gives to us through the cross of Christ, is the dividing line of human history. We have the significance of Law before the cross and it's showing of our inability to be perfect by trying to obey the law, as Christ showed this so well that the disciples asked Christ after seeing the rich man walk away very sad choosing this world and its wealth over God
Matt. 19, so then being convinced that no matter what they do, they aren't going to make it to heaven, becasue now they see they can't be perfect, it is impossible, so they ask and Jesus answers
Matthew 19:25When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, “Who then can be saved?”
Mark 10:26And they were greatly astonished, saying among themselves, “Who then can be saved?”
Luke 18:26And those who heard it said, “Who then can be saved?”
Jesus answers
Matthew 19:26But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
Mark 10:27
But Jesus looked at them and said, “With men it is impossible, but not with God; for with God all things are possible.”
Luke 18:27But He said, “The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.”
More than one witness to truth of what was coming, and this is today still a free gift from God not of works, believe, see, and then receive. So which is seeing? Beleive you will see, or need to see first as Thomas had to, when Jesus is gone to the Father, and we see him no more as in the flesh, yet in the Spirit, and is where we today are to worship God in Spirit and truth, born again by the resurrection of Christ, death first was to clear the deck, cleanse us from all unrighteousness so we can be born again a gift from God. I know how I respond in thaning God constantly and praisiing God for this gift that I know I can never do on my own, being impossible for man to do, God did it for everyone, if only they will beleive God, then they will recieve God and thus see God as God is, because God does just love us this deep.
So when did actual salvation actually come to be, before the cross or after, and spread abroad for the whole world? did the disciples not have to wait, they knew about Christ risen from the dead, he hung out with them for forty days explaining all things to them, why he had to go to the physical death and rise again, they knew the truth, so why did they have to wait? So then whose Job is it to bring others into the kingdom, ours or God's via the Holy Ghost living just in us hidden or through us boldly? I have no righteousness of my own, never will, I do have righteousness though and it is not mihe it is God's through the Son given to me to partake in, having God live through me, so the Holy Ghost can do the Holy Ghost's job in telling truth to the people to bring them home the lost sheep, the prodical son, and all by the Holy Ghost will have heard and known the truth, that sets them free to trust the living God
Just posting deeper food meat to eat, take it or leave it free choice
Baptism is important but not required for salvation. There is nothing water can do or an act I participate in that the blood of Jesus has not done already. Let's not twist what Jesus did into something that just isn't enough. The enemy is very clever and if we believe what Jesus did isn't enough and WE must do more to complete it then we are in really bad shape.
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Powemm
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What needed to be done is already done , it has nothing to do with anything we do. ") The only thing we need to do is believe God about it .. Gods seed is already planted in us , the manifestation of Gods seed (Jesus , fully transforming us into His image) grows as we accept and believe God and establish a relationship with Him.. Proclaiming Him lord and master over our lives.. the more we believe God tue mire that transformation takes place .. As God has said "what needed to be dine has already been done for us .. IT IS FINISHED .. praise God, amen!
Scriptures are quite clear there is more than just water baptism. John the Baptist himself plainly taught that.
Matthew 3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire
So then according to Scriptures there is indeed more then just water baptism. There is a Holy Ghost baptism as well.
Now which baptism do you think would be REQUIRED for one to be SAVED? Baptism by water or baptism by the Holy Ghost?
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Reformedjason
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None other than by God who as a gift gives this Holy Ghost to all that believe, not just say they do. But without being born again one cannot see the kingdom of Heaven much less worship God, since God today can only be worshipped in Spirit and truth
There are a lot of denominations that believe without being water Baptized, there is no salvation, when in truth there is only one Baptism, the first was the shadow which was John Baptizing the Jews, waiting for the Christ to come and be baptized by him , then Baptism of the Holy Ghost started after the resurrection and on the day of Pentecost, where one gets the power from on high to witness the Messiah to others I n what God has done for them at no work of their own
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Ephesians 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism;
John said he must
[h=3]Matthew 3:11-12[/h]New International Version (NIV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]“I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. [SUP]12 [/SUP]His winnowing fork is in his hand, and he will clear his threshing floor, gathering his wheat into the barn and burning up the chaff with unquenchable fire.”
Baptism of the Holy Ghost is essential, no matter if one gets water Baptized or not, and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost is a free gift from God no works involved, just Belief and continue with belief, trusting God is this Loving and Merciful
Yet unless one receives this, one does not really understand the death, burial, and resurrection unto new life for all that do believe will see, and receive, being set free to be, as God originally intended for all mankind. God does not and will not take away free choice as many of mankind do, and this is what God I think from God is most angry over, others taking away others free choice. Only God can reveal this to each person if they seek to know truth