The Homosexual Threat
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I might have a limited grasp of scripture. I think its all about love. God loving us. Us loving one another. Love is the fulfillment of the law. I ask this question a lot but I don't get a lot of response to it. When I love someone the first thing I do is pray for them. Even in these posts, I am responding to oldhermit, and have been praying for you each time I think of you. I like your name by the way it reminds me of me lol. So my question is, are you praying for homosexuals? Honestly I don't pray in general for homosexuals, and I don't try to speak of them as a group either. People are individual, I pray for each individual as God leads me to pray. The next thing I do when I love someone is care about their well being and about the things that are important to them. How are you? How was your day? Can I pray for anything for you? I try to give whatever I think a person needs if it is possible for me to do, if not I committed it to prayer. This is what this post should be about, in my opinion. How can we love others and lead them Christ. People isn't it evil to put others into a group? Is every homosexual the same? Do I know their hearts? I don't. What about the homosexual who does not practice it? What about the pedophile who refuses to give in to temptation. The problem is that these are just as guilty as the ones who practice it. We all know Jesus words, if a man has hatred in his heart he has already committed murder. This being said, I am a murderer thousands of times over. I lived a life of hatred bitterness anger and resentment for some 36 years and 15 of those years I was actually saved. Forgive me I am rambling. There is a point in here somewhere, if you cant find it I probably left it in my head.
God is my defender and my comfort. May each of you depend on Him for your defense and comfort also.
God is my defender and my comfort. May each of you depend on Him for your defense and comfort also.
Firstly I think that it is sinful to group people. Most homosexuals? Most in the homosexual community? Really? Do you know most of them? No. this is not a godly thing to do is it? I do not know most homosexuals. I know some. I pray for and often with them. I care about their salvation. I pray for their salvation. I also pray that God lead me to love them the same way He loves me. I think, if God can accept me as I am, sinful, pitiful wretched poor blind and naked, the worst of sinners, certainly he can accept them. I have received grace mercy and forgiveness from God. I refuse to be ungracious. I refuse to be unmerciful or unforgiving. I think certainly if I do not practice mercy, God's mercy will be removed from me...a parable explains this to me.
Just having the desire is sinful. This doesn't mean we should practice it just because it is sin to think of it and sin to do it. We would all do very well if we would recognize that we are evil. "if you then though you are evil..." Are we living a life of love?
God be praised forever and ever. Rejoice in the lord.
Just having the desire is sinful. This doesn't mean we should practice it just because it is sin to think of it and sin to do it. We would all do very well if we would recognize that we are evil. "if you then though you are evil..." Are we living a life of love?
God be praised forever and ever. Rejoice in the lord.
This is absolutely correct. The problem I am finding in the Church is that Christians have lost the will and the fortitude to stand up and speak out against sin. I realize this particular issue is very controversial and hits many people hard emotionaly. This however, does not negate our responsibility to speak out against sin no matter what form it takes. This does not come without a price. Christians have always been persecuted for taking a stand against sin. If the purpose of preaching the gospel is to save people from sin it is encumbant on us to teach them the difference between what is sinful conduct and what is righteous conduct, just like those in 1Corinthians 6. Repentance demands a changed life style. For those who defend homosexuality (or any other sin for that matter), should we feel comfortable defending that which God has condemned???
The gays are not a threat, the US is going down hill pretty fast without their help. But Christians also are of great concern, because so many so called christians see themselves better than others including the gays. Which is my theory on why christians bash against the gays, we are to help them and treat them with love. If anyone one else has a problem with the gays then they need to seek a greater level of love from God. Love thy neighbor as thy self, do you remember these words? Love does not judge you, love does not hold up a mirror. Love is always there for you in your darkest of times, love protects you from others hurting you.
So, if we are not to be love to the gays then who will? If we are not christ like then who can be? And if we are the body why are aren't his hands healing?
So, if we are not to be love to the gays then who will? If we are not christ like then who can be? And if we are the body why are aren't his hands healing?
I agree with you somewhat. We do not condone sin. IN fact we must hate it. God calls us to hate...(I remember people in my bible study flipping out when I first said that years ago). Hate what is evil, cling to what is good. Ya we are definitely called to hate. Hating evil is part of love. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices in the truth. However(yes here it comes) it really isn't my job to point out sins of others. Isn't that God's job? What does scripture say? Romans 3 [SUP]20 [/SUP]Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
The law is written. Not my job to point out sins of others. I can show them the law, but really? No point to that, most people who practice or have homosexual desires already know (and have been beaten over the head with) the law.
I think this verse really sums up my opinion of this post. I am saved by grace through faith. Should I now tell others they must obey the entire law or they are lost? I don't think so. isn't this exactly what Jesus condemned the Pharisees and saducees for? You heap heavy burdens on others while you yourselves are unwilling to lift a finger. he was obviously talking about the burdens of the law that these hypocritical leaders were insisting others obey to the letter while they themselves were not and could not. The person among us who has been saved by following the law,(none of us) that would be the only person that has any right to speak to another and insist they follow the same law(that none of us can obey perfectly)
The law is written. Not my job to point out sins of others. I can show them the law, but really? No point to that, most people who practice or have homosexual desires already know (and have been beaten over the head with) the law.
I think this verse really sums up my opinion of this post. I am saved by grace through faith. Should I now tell others they must obey the entire law or they are lost? I don't think so. isn't this exactly what Jesus condemned the Pharisees and saducees for? You heap heavy burdens on others while you yourselves are unwilling to lift a finger. he was obviously talking about the burdens of the law that these hypocritical leaders were insisting others obey to the letter while they themselves were not and could not. The person among us who has been saved by following the law,(none of us) that would be the only person that has any right to speak to another and insist they follow the same law(that none of us can obey perfectly)
Here's one of my favorites, Blain:
NASB Ephesians 5:11-13 [SUP]11 [/SUP]Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; [SUP]12 [/SUP]for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.
NLT Ephesians 5:11-13 [SUP]11 [/SUP]Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them,
In order to expose the sin, you end up exposing the sinner. Such things if in the church are to be exposed for what they are. Plus, we need to be educated about them to know what to expose.
NASB Ephesians 5:11-13 [SUP]11 [/SUP]Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them; [SUP]12 [/SUP]for it is disgraceful even to speak of the things which are done by them in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But all things become visible when they are exposed by the light, for everything that becomes visible is light.
NLT Ephesians 5:11-13 [SUP]11 [/SUP]Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them. [SUP]12 [/SUP]It is shameful even to talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. [SUP]13 [/SUP]But their evil intentions will be exposed when the light shines on them,
In order to expose the sin, you end up exposing the sinner. Such things if in the church are to be exposed for what they are. Plus, we need to be educated about them to know what to expose.
1Co 5:9 I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard,or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul says in verse 9 that we are not to keep company with fornicators nor with the covetous, nor with an idolater, nor with a railer, nor a drunkard, nor an extortioner.
Verse 13 goes on to say "put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
The church has become blemished by allowing those who love, love, love, to have those who commit such things to remain within the congregation willfully sinning, saying those of us that recognize such behavior is ungodly are being judgmental.
It's as if the above verses don't apply to us anymore due to a political correct attitude within the church.
How sad!
1Co 5:10 Yet not altogether the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard,or an extortioner; with such a one no not to eat.
1Co 5:12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
1Co 5:13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
Paul says in verse 9 that we are not to keep company with fornicators nor with the covetous, nor with an idolater, nor with a railer, nor a drunkard, nor an extortioner.
Verse 13 goes on to say "put away from among yourselves that wicked person."
The church has become blemished by allowing those who love, love, love, to have those who commit such things to remain within the congregation willfully sinning, saying those of us that recognize such behavior is ungodly are being judgmental.
It's as if the above verses don't apply to us anymore due to a political correct attitude within the church.
How sad!
This is projective manipulation, blaming the op for talking about a legitimate topic, as if he has sinned for bringing it up. If the op had talked about homosexual priests taking advantage of children, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now. If he had talked about drunk drivers and how many people have been killed, ditto. When a minority has more rights than the majority, there is obviously an agenda. When one person's problem is a sin, and the other persons problems are considered a sickness, somebody isn't rightly dividing the word of truth.
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But see here is the thing, I met a gay on here who was going to commit suicide because people wouldn't leave him alone, he wanted to change but needed help. in the end although i tried he commited suicide because people like us christians would not leave him alone. had I exposed his sin and judged him for it he might have actually killed himself sooner.
So do you see why I am so against judging the gays?
So do you see why I am so against judging the gays?
The reason most people commit suicide is either because the have a chemical imbalance, or they're demon possessed.
That person needs help. Christians can't help someone if they can't tell them what the problem is. I agree that people don't have the right to bash and slam someone around. Sinners have to genuinely repent to get deliverance. Otherwise, there is none.
That person needs help. Christians can't help someone if they can't tell them what the problem is. I agree that people don't have the right to bash and slam someone around. Sinners have to genuinely repent to get deliverance. Otherwise, there is none.
Your reasoning is faulty. You cannot bring human experience to bear upon any biblical text as a tool to overturn the language of the text. This kind of reasoning assumes that the force of scriprute will not stand against the logical argument and that scripture somehow breaks down in the extreme case. It is NEVER scripture that breaks down. What breaks down is our faith.
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I feel this way about homosexuality......it's sin just like all sin, but don't go out and do your sin in my face and complain when I find it offensive.
I have gay friends, good people, but they don't go flaming it all around me just like I won't go and grope and have wet kisses with my husband in front of them.
There is a time and place for everything and disney world is not the time nor place, I don't care what Mickey Mouse says about it!!!
I have gay friends, good people, but they don't go flaming it all around me just like I won't go and grope and have wet kisses with my husband in front of them.
There is a time and place for everything and disney world is not the time nor place, I don't care what Mickey Mouse says about it!!!
I'm sorry but who are you to tell me what my reasoning is? Scripture is far more solid than your comments and I was very upset when I lost him. I gave scripture to show you we should treat all people with love not judge them. But you refuse to listen and only say rude comments, you are no better than the gays and neither am i.
There are sexual predators that commit suicide for the same reason.
There are drug users that commit suicide because people beat them up for not paying their bill, or because they're stealing from everybody. I'm sure there are others. When people walk in sin being unrepentant, they risk it all.
James 1:13-15 [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: [SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. This is a cold, hard fact. We can't change it because we didn't write it.
There are drug users that commit suicide because people beat them up for not paying their bill, or because they're stealing from everybody. I'm sure there are others. When people walk in sin being unrepentant, they risk it all.
James 1:13-15 [SUP]13 [/SUP]Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: [SUP]14 [/SUP]But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. This is a cold, hard fact. We can't change it because we didn't write it.
It is not my intention to offend. All I am trying to get you to see is that we can never reason from human experience to understand the text. We must always endevor to reason from the text to understand human experience. Human experience never sheds light upon the text. The text on the other hand will always shed light upon the experience.
