gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[john832]

The prodigal son was the son before he left. The son when he left, and still the son when he came back. He never stopped being the son, all he did was lose blessings in his life from the father. He never stopped being the son..

Hmmm,

Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

Notice that he CHANGED his life, he no longer lived the riotous life of sin, he returned to his father, humbled and ready to obey.

Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

He had sinned. He had DONE something wrong, and now changed and no longer DID those things.

Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

And it made no difference? The prodigal son was DEAD in that lifestyle. All was not just fine with him and he was not the son, he was DEAD. Upon repentance (quit sinning) he was found and was alive again.

He lost a little more than his blessings, he was as good as DEAD until he repented.

 

[homwardbound]

1 Corinthians 15:57 KJV
(57) But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

This is the next text which you left out. What victory do we get through Jesus?

Complete!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Just a couple of thoughts here,

I believe that eternal life is the gift of God, 100 lifetimes of 100 years each of perfect obedience to the Law would NEVER, EVER earn eternal life...

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

We are given eternal life through the faith of Christ, not our own.

You say that if we could perfectly obey the Law we would not need Christ that we could earn salvation.

And you call me the legalist? I find that fascinating.

You find it fascinating that I believe someone who from birth to death never sinned would make it to heaven? Wow.. mind if I ask why you think that way?

of course the only man who ever did that was christ, so it would not matter (it is also why ONLY CHRIST could pay for our sin, he fulfilled the requirement of the law)

Now can you tell me how Good you think you could be from now until you die. and how you think this goodness would cause you to earn the right to be Gods son and spend eternity with him??

Secondly, if you don't believe in Law, I wonder how things are in your household. No rules, I'll bet the dinner table in the evenings is quite interesting.

Oh, now we go with the ad hominem attacks. because you have nothing better?

What a joke!


if you can't fight someone and have no desire to figure out what they believe so you can honestly discuss gods word with them. why even bother?? Your attacks do not do you justice.. they show your true self!

 

[homwardbound]

Yep, and Christ says we all are...

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

or is it OK to violate the least of them?

You only posted scripture that was before the cross as Christ walked the earth the Law of Moses was still in place until the death of christ and it was Christ while fulfilliing the Law and Prophets, was at the same tim anihilating everyone in that to be saved by works it is impossibe to do. But after the cross we are reconciled unto God the Father by the death, then we are raised anew in the Spirit of God the Father through the resurrection of Chirst in the Spirit of Father, the Holy Spirit of truth.
Hebrews 9:15-17, is the new Covenant we are in today after the cross. There is a lot more tothis new Covenant that just this
But this is the start of knowing the truth seperating Old Covenant Law from the grace of God through the cross of Christ

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When I sin against my Dad, I realize I have done something He does not approve of and I seek His forgiveness. Why would God chasten us for doing things that dispelase Him if we are not under the Law? What in the world would displease Him?

You missed the point. Did your dad kick you of of his family so you were no longer his child? Which some (and it seems you) Claim God does if we are not obedient??

I am talking about law as it concerns our salvation. Not as far as it concern chastening.. two totally different things.

This thread is concerning salvation.

 

[john832]

All are dead in sin, when we stand before God, not a one of us will be worthy of salvation for anything we did.

So, we just keep on doing the things we did? The Law no longer applies...

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
Rom 7:8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
Rom 7:9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
Rom 7:10 And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
Rom 7:11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.

No one is worthy of salvation, but God does not give salvation to the unrepentant. ONe who continues in sin...

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

And what is sin?

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

The gift is eternal life. the gift can not be taken back, otherwise it is not a gift. it was a downpayment for your good behavior.. is this the type of God you think he is??

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I won't bet my life on this one...

Heb 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Heb 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
Heb 6:6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Paul says that wilfully sinning can cause the revocation of the gift of life.

so tell me, why are you trying to reject grace, and save yourself by not being disobedient?

or am I misinterpreting you?

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

God saves us by grace, not by any deeds or obedience that EARNS life. But are there conditions to reciveing life?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Now who receives this Spirit of promise?

Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

What is repentance?

G3340
μετανοέω
metanoeō
Thayer Definition:
1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent
2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G3326 and G3539
Citing in TDNT: 4:975, 636

1st basic doctrine...

Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

What then does receiving the Holy Spirit do? Gives us the down payment on eternal life...

2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

The Holy Spirit is the down payment (earnest) of the promise.

 

[Grandpa]

So, do you obey any or all of the Commandments now?

Only the 4th.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

But I don't just rest in the Lord on only saturdays. I rest in His Finished Work every day.

Matthew 11:28-30
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 

[nathan3]

It is God's law. And we still have to observe it meaning, learn and keep the law, and not break it.

Some people get on my case for talking about the Old testament laws ??? And they use the comments in this thread to justify that kind of thinking.

When it comes to this , a few scriptures are being left out , that would paint a better picture:

Christ said listen to every word that comes out of God's mouth and keep the law. Keeping the law does not mean you can't have faith in Christ also.

I never understood these threads.. So just that were clear. We are not saved by the law. Christ does the saving, and we still observe the law. That is what the passage means. It does not mean to do away with the law. Nor does it mean stop learning the Torah. The Commandments of God & all the other commandments of God That Christ teaches also.

Because Christ himself also taught the commandments.


Matthew 5:18-19

King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So the law is not done away with: Nor is the old testament.
Galatians 3:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Some verses to think about:

Exodus 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.



Exodus 20:4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



Exodus 20:8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Matthew 12:6-9

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man( Christ )is Lord even of the sabbath day.

9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:






Exodus 20:9: Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Matthew 19:19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.



Exodus 20:13: Thou shalt not kill. ( not murder )
Exodus 20:14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15:Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,



Exodus 20:17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


Matthew 4:4



4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Isaiah 55 :

10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

 

[john832]

You missed the point. Did your dad kick you of of his family so you were no longer his child? Which some (and it seems you) Claim God does if we are not obedient??

I am talking about law as it concerns our salvation. Not as far as it concern chastening.. two totally different things.

This thread is concerning salvation.

You missed the point, the prodigal son was DEAD in his state of living the riotous (sinful) life. He had to change, he had to go back to his father and had to leave the riotous (sinful) life behind. He had to quit sinning. His father did not go to him in the pig pen and tell him everything is fine just continue however you wish, my grace is all you need.

 

[Wall]

No, we will stand in front of God and fall on our knees thanking God for saving a wretched soul such as us, we who are deserving of eternal judgment based on our lives.. thank you for coming and doing what we could not do, which is pay for our sin, so we could be set free from the penalty of sin.

You will be like those Jesus spoke of. Who cried out Lord but did we not do all these great commands in your name? And jesus will say, depart from me..

Your opinion is noted. Now lets see what the scriptures say.

MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

PSALMS 119 [113] I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.[114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.[115] DEPART FROM ME, YE EVILDOERS: FOR I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD.[116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

Depart from me! Seems there will be many people who will be saying “I believe” when Jesus returns. Who had talked of Jesus and spoke in his name. Some that even have cast out devils in the name of Jesus. But “in that day” Jesus will say to “the many”, depart from me...I never knew you.

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Theres the people who know God and will be saved. They that observe to keep Gods 10 commandments.

TITUS 1 [13] This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; [14] Not giving heed to Jewish fables, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, that turn from the truth. [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, AND DISOBEDIENT, and unto every good work reprobate.

In Titus you will find people that profess they know God (they say they believe) but in works they deny Him. They do not know God.

 

[john832]

It is God's law. And we still have to observe it meaning, learn and keep the law, and not break it.

Some people get on my case for talking about the Old testament laws ??? And they use the comments in this thread to justify that kind of thinking.

When it comes to this , a few scriptures are being left out , that would paint a better picture:

Christ said listen to every word that comes out of God's mouth and keep the law. Keeping the law does not mean you can't have faith in Christ also.

I never understood these threads.. So just that were clear. We are not saved by the law. Christ does the saving, and we still observe the law. That is what the passage means. It does not mean to do away with the law. Nor does it mean stop learning the Torah. The Commandments of God & all the other commandments of God That Christ teaches also.

Because Christ himself also taught the commandments.


Matthew 5:18-19

King James Version (KJV)

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

So the law is not done away with: Nor is the old testament.
Galatians 3:24

King James Version (KJV)

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.


Some verses to think about:

Exodus 20:3: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Matthew 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. Matthew 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.



Exodus 20:4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.



Exodus 20:8: Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Matthew 12:6-9

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man( Christ )is Lord even of the sabbath day.

9 And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:






Exodus 20:9: Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.

Matthew 19:19 Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.



Exodus 20:13: Thou shalt not kill. ( not murder )
Exodus 20:14: Thou shalt not commit adultery.
Exodus 20:15:Thou shalt not steal.
Exodus 20:16: Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.


Matthew 19:18 He saith unto him, Which?

Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,



Exodus 20:17: Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor's.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.


Matthew 4:4



4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.


Isaiah 55 :

10 For as the rain cometh down, and the snow from heaven, and returneth not thither, but watereth the earth, and maketh it bring forth and bud, that it may give seed to the sower, and bread to the eater:

11 So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

Tremendous insight here. You have a good understanding of Law and Grace. Wonder where that came from...

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

 

[john832]

Your opinion is noted. Now lets see what the scriptures say.

MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.

PSALMS 119 [113] I hate vain thoughts: but thy law do I love.[114] Thou art my hiding place and my shield: I hope in thy word.[115] DEPART FROM ME, YE EVILDOERS: FOR I WILL KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF MY GOD.[116] Uphold me according unto thy word, that I may live: and let me not be ashamed of my hope.

Depart from me! Seems there will be many people who will be saying “I believe” when Jesus returns. Who had talked of Jesus and spoke in his name. Some that even have cast out devils in the name of Jesus. But “in that day” Jesus will say to “the many”, depart from me...I never knew you.

1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Theres the people who know God and will be saved. They that observe to keep Gods 10 commandments.

TITUS 1 [13] This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; [14] Not giving heed to Jewish fables, AND COMMANDMENTS OF MEN, that turn from the truth. [15] Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. [16] THEY PROFESS THAT THEY KNOW GOD; BUT IN WORKS THEY DENY HIM, being abominable, AND DISOBEDIENT, and unto every good work reprobate.

In Titus you will find people that profess they know God (they say they believe) but in works they deny Him. They do not know God.

Excellent, Wall my friend. I hope my poor attempts at conveying this truth have not cause d some to misunderstand, I can learn from you.

 

[homwardbound]

OK, so again, let's cut to the chase, do you obey the Commandments or not? Do you personally do them?

My trust is in God and thankful to God for this undeserved grace God me and thus God spread this abroad in my heart to love all unconditionally as he has done for all via the cross of his Son. So I do not look to be dogmatic, just say how I feel and let it be as I have so far done here,along with apologies to those that I have offended.
All I see is the fulfillment of the commnadment
Matthew 5:44But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,
Matthew 5:46For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
Luke 6:27[ Love Your Enemies ] “But I say to you who hear: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you,

How many of us are doing the above statements?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, it takes about one scripture to disprove this reasoning...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Salvation is conditional...

1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

Even Paul thought it was important...

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Perhaps you could explain what this means?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Or this...

Mat 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

well, you just proved your trying to earn your salvation.. Nothing else needs to be said.

God said he gives eternal life. You say he gives conditional life.

its alright.. many verses destroy your misinterpretation of these passages.

Titus 3:5


[SUP]5 [/SUP]not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

gal 3: 11 - 14 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for "the just shall live by faith.” Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Phil 3: 9
that I may gain Christ and be found in Him, not having my own righteousness, which is from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith;

2 tim 1: 9
who has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began,

Rom 3:20- 24
Therfore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified. For by the law is knowledge of sin. but now the rightiousness of God apart from the law is revealed being witnessed by the law and the prophets even the rightiousness of God through faith in Christ to all on on all who believe for their is no difference. for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. being justified freely by the grace of God through the redemption in Christ Jesus.

Eph 1: 13 - 14
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory.

I can go on and on and on. But if we have to work the law to be saved by not being disobeient (or being obedient) all these passages are lies.

Here is one who should adhere to. Paul is speaking directly to you and those like you!

Gal 3: 2 - 4
This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?— Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh? Have you suffered so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You just don't get it. WE ARE UNDER LAW! It's called the law of faith. Obey it or die.

try explaining to him what this means.

what is faith?
Who is this faith in? (Self and law or Christ and his death) etc...

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hmmm,

Luk 15:11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:
Luk 15:12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
Luk 15:13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
Luk 15:14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
Luk 15:15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
Luk 15:16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
Luk 15:17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
Luk 15:18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

Notice that he CHANGED his life, he no longer lived the riotous life of sin, he returned to his father, humbled and ready to obey.

Luk 15:19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
Luk 15:20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
Luk 15:21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

He had sinned. He had DONE something wrong, and now changed and no longer DID those things.

Luk 15:22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
Luk 15:23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
Luk 15:24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

And it made no difference? The prodigal son was DEAD in that lifestyle. All was not just fine with him and he was not the son, he was DEAD. Upon repentance (quit sinning) he was found and was alive again.

He lost a little more than his blessings, he was as good as DEAD until he repented.

1. As good as dead is not the same as being dead no is it?
2. Did he ever stop being the son?
3. Did not his father say get the food before the son even confessed? he was already forgiven. why? He was still the son.

He lost access to his gods blessings. A child of God who walks away as a prodigal son loses our heavenly fathers blessings, We are as good as dead. Our lives will get worse until we come back, or die (I know, I was a prodigal son for 5 years.. My life sucked, and it was this that brought me back. Just like it brough the prodigal son back) but I NEVER stopped being my fathers (Abba fathers) Son!

 

[homwardbound]

morally pure every moment of every day?

no.

and the fact you continue to make the claim about yourself just shows how deluded you are.

passages like these don't belong in the Bible then, Skinski?


Psalm 32:5
My sin I cause Thee to know, And mine iniquity I have not covered. I have said, 'I confess concerning My transgressions to Jehovah,' And Thou -- Thou hast taken away, The iniquity of my sin. Selah.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.

Leviticus 26:40
"'But if they will confess their sins and the sins of their ancestors--their unfaithfulness and their hostility toward me

Job 31:33
if I have concealed my sin as people do, by hiding my guilt in my heart

Psalm 38:18
I confess my iniquity; I am troubled by my sin.

Psalm 103:12
as far as the east is from the west, so far has he removed our transgressions from us.

Proverbs 28:13
Whoever conceals their sins does not prosper, but the one who confesses and renounces them finds mercy.

Allpassages you quoted Zone are before the cross and one is in the New Testament being 1 John 1:9 and after one beleives Christ came in the flesh as what is written about and agrees they have a sin nature of flesh then they receive the forgiveness that God has provided for them.
Nowhere as I have posted to before doe the New Testament after the death of Christ at the cross does anyone of the the scripture written ever say that forgiveness is ongoing at all. So to say that 1John 1:9 is onging to get more and more forgiveness from God is a lie, especially since there never has been any forgiveness without the shedding of blood
God at the cross has forgiven all, he did it once and for all
Hebrews 9:12Not with the blood of goats and calves, but with His own blood He entered the Most Holy Place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.

 

[notuptome]

Nothing else needs to be said.

That would no doubt be a first especially here on CC.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[nathan3]

Tremendous insight here. You have a good understanding of Law and Grace. Wonder where that came from...

Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

I have nothing close to tremendous insight hahaha. It came from caring what God says, and the people who bug me here on this site.

Proverbs 1:7

King James Version (KJV)

7 The fear ( or revere , it can be translated the Strong;s shows, depending . )
of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

 

[homwardbound]

So Haz, your telling me that someday you might stand before the Lord and say....save me Lord, im an illegalist, I did nothing you commanded me to do!

Good luck with that

Ephesians 2:8For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Romans 11:6And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.