The Homosexual Threat
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it seems to me that your words here are very dangerous. I do not know if you are aware of this or not. It is my prayer that God would hold your sin against me and not against you. IF you think you might be able to learn from a servants words please consider what our Father has taught me.
Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
1 Corinthians 6:7-10 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with mennor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The unrighteous do not enter the kingdom of God and we know:
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
How then are we saved?
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
How is it possible for the unrighteous to be saved?
1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
I would like to put part of your words in here:
"GOD will judge everyone according to what they have done," These words are pure and perfect. It is a direct quote from the word of God.
"and if they have sinned by homosexual acts which is considered an abomination, then HE won't have any part of that soul in heaven." These words are an abomination. They put you in danger of God not having any part of YOUR soul in heaven. (romans 2:1)
Have you not sinned? Have you not repented? Are you now free from sinning because you have repented? I have sinned. I have repented. I still sin. None of us obtained righteousness by obeying the law. We have obtained righteousness through the blood of Christ. (1peter 3:18)
We know the parable of the unmerciful servant. Matthew 18:21-35 Which ends with this verse:
Matthew 18:35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
AS you can see, I forgive you from my heart. Not only do I forgive you, but I declare you innocent before me and I ask God to consider you innocent as well. IF God is unwilling to consider you innocent, I beg God and pray to him to hold me accountable for your sins instead of you. This is exactly what Jesus did for me. He also told me to go and do as he has done for me. This is the love God has demonstrated to me. It is the same love I practice before each of you, and also demonstrate.
When I see any person sinning, no matter what their sin is, first I thank God. (Ephesians 5:20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.) and then I pray with thanksgiving (Philippians 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.) Then I take responsibility for them before God(father I declare them innocent of this sin before me, hold me accountable for their sin instead of them Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”) Then I proceed to love them as God has empowered me. God did not condemn me for my sins and he did not wait for me to repent rather: While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
May God's grace and peace abound within each of you as you work in His power to seek and save the lost.
Matthew 12:36-37 But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
1 Corinthians 5:12-13 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.”
Hebrews 13:4
Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral.
1 Corinthians 6:7-10 The very fact that you have lawsuits among you means you have been completely defeated already. Why not rather be wronged? Why not rather be cheated? Instead, you yourselves cheat and do wrong, and you do this to your brothers and sisters. Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with mennor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
The unrighteous do not enter the kingdom of God and we know:
Romans 3:23
for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
How then are we saved?
Ephesians 2:8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
How is it possible for the unrighteous to be saved?
1 Peter 3:18For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.
Romans 5:8 But God demonstrates his own love for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.
I would like to put part of your words in here:
"GOD will judge everyone according to what they have done," These words are pure and perfect. It is a direct quote from the word of God.
"and if they have sinned by homosexual acts which is considered an abomination, then HE won't have any part of that soul in heaven." These words are an abomination. They put you in danger of God not having any part of YOUR soul in heaven. (romans 2:1)
Have you not sinned? Have you not repented? Are you now free from sinning because you have repented? I have sinned. I have repented. I still sin. None of us obtained righteousness by obeying the law. We have obtained righteousness through the blood of Christ. (1peter 3:18)
We know the parable of the unmerciful servant. Matthew 18:21-35 Which ends with this verse:
Matthew 18:35 “This is how my heavenly Father will treat each of you unless you forgive your brother or sister from your heart.”
AS you can see, I forgive you from my heart. Not only do I forgive you, but I declare you innocent before me and I ask God to consider you innocent as well. IF God is unwilling to consider you innocent, I beg God and pray to him to hold me accountable for your sins instead of you. This is exactly what Jesus did for me. He also told me to go and do as he has done for me. This is the love God has demonstrated to me. It is the same love I practice before each of you, and also demonstrate.
When I see any person sinning, no matter what their sin is, first I thank God. (Ephesians 5:20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.) and then I pray with thanksgiving (Philippians 4:6 Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.) Then I take responsibility for them before God(father I declare them innocent of this sin before me, hold me accountable for their sin instead of them Luke 23:34 Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”) Then I proceed to love them as God has empowered me. God did not condemn me for my sins and he did not wait for me to repent rather: While we were yet sinners Christ died for us.
May God's grace and peace abound within each of you as you work in His power to seek and save the lost.
It say that thou shalt not kill, but we have soldiers that violate that all the time. But God examines the circumstances. He searches the heart and see the true nature of that person. Some want liberty for others but lacked understanding; but other are just plain ole' gun happy and doesn't care about a living soul. Eventhough that we are weak, God knows who are sincere and who aren't. If a person is gay and know that it is not what God intended for them to be, but they can't give up their lifestyle and become a eunuch because they are so weak like an heteral sexual being that can't give up their sexual partner, God know how much a person can tolerate. When the souls of this earth goes to Heaven, they'll be just like the angel, not given into marriage or any other temptation. All of that we had desire here on earth will be washed away from our soul. Our desires will be what God desires. David had seek after God's own heart so that he couldn't be tempted by the devil anymore. But God want us to desire after His own heart, and they will be cleanse. And remember that "will" means "desire". So do not focus on others people weakness while we are still weak. Just encourage a person to keep on trying but do not condemn them when they has failed.
I guess whatever measurement a person use to determined what is filthy and what is not, it depend on your environment. Noah was just laying naked on the bed and his son had thought at the time that was filthy, but today society it isn't consider to be filthy. So basically I think a person shouldn't invade someone privacy at all.
They would not.. They'll fit everything to their own lifestyle. They don't care about what Jesus has said or what He expected from us. They'll try to see if they could fit Christ in accordance to their lifestyle, but if not, oh well...
Luke 2:7and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.
Luke 14
18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”
Luke 2:7and she gave birth to her firstborn, a son. She wrapped him in cloths and placed him in a manger, because there was no guest room available for them.
Luke 14
18 “But they all alike began to make excuses. The first said, ‘I have just bought a field, and I must go and see it. Please excuse me.’
19 “Another said, ‘I have just bought five yoke of oxen, and I’m on my way to try them out. Please excuse me.’
20 “Still another said, ‘I just got married, so I can’t come.’
21 “The servant came back and reported this to his master. Then the owner of the house became angry and ordered his servant, ‘Go out quickly into the streets and alleys of the town and bring in the poor, the crippled, the blind and the lame.’
22 “‘Sir,’ the servant said, ‘what you ordered has been done, but there is still room.’
23 “Then the master told his servant, ‘Go out to the roads and country lanes and compel them to come in, so that my house will be full. 24 I tell you, not one of those who were invited will get a taste of my banquet.’”
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Well ,just got back on here, and its still the same old thing by the same people. This sight is called Christian Chat. Do you people EVER reed the word of God or do you just take it any way you wont it, if it fits what you would like it to say, then its ok, but if not then You make it out to be any thing that you like ,
.Wake up people , You are NOT God, and You Can Not change his word to be what you think it out to be, just because You don't like it. Did you read the End of the Book, you know that book called the Bible, where it tells you, I Quote And I solemnly declare to everyone that reads this book: IF anyone adds anything to what is written here , God shall add to him the plagues described in this book, And if anyone subtracts any part of these prophecies, God shall take away his share of the Tree Of Life, and The Holy City just described.Is there anything about that you just Don't understand ????? Have any of you red Leviticus ?? Lev. 18: 22, How about Romans ??? GOD Hates The Sin Of Homosexuality, and He does Not Care what you simple minded people think. God Is God And YOU Are Not .By telling some one that it is not a sin , there Blood is on your hands and You are Helping send Them to Hell. If you don't like whats in Gods word , take it up with him, I did Not right the Bible, There are many things that I wish were not sin in the eyes of God , but as a believer in Christ I can not pick out what I like, and set a side what I don't like. I don't know who side Many of you are on , but it must be your Father The Devil, for what you are saying is of this world and Not of Christ, By the way I don't care what you think of me, don't matter, there is a day coming , one of us is right, and one of us is on there way to HELL. And you better be right as to Who is on there way to where, you just bet your life on it. Good by to all of you, I pray the best for you.
.Wake up people , You are NOT God, and You Can Not change his word to be what you think it out to be, just because You don't like it. Did you read the End of the Book, you know that book called the Bible, where it tells you, I Quote And I solemnly declare to everyone that reads this book: IF anyone adds anything to what is written here , God shall add to him the plagues described in this book, And if anyone subtracts any part of these prophecies, God shall take away his share of the Tree Of Life, and The Holy City just described.Is there anything about that you just Don't understand ????? Have any of you red Leviticus ?? Lev. 18: 22, How about Romans ??? GOD Hates The Sin Of Homosexuality, and He does Not Care what you simple minded people think. God Is God And YOU Are Not .By telling some one that it is not a sin , there Blood is on your hands and You are Helping send Them to Hell. If you don't like whats in Gods word , take it up with him, I did Not right the Bible, There are many things that I wish were not sin in the eyes of God , but as a believer in Christ I can not pick out what I like, and set a side what I don't like. I don't know who side Many of you are on , but it must be your Father The Devil, for what you are saying is of this world and Not of Christ, By the way I don't care what you think of me, don't matter, there is a day coming , one of us is right, and one of us is on there way to HELL. And you better be right as to Who is on there way to where, you just bet your life on it. Good by to all of you, I pray the best for you.
I am listening to you of course. (and all the others here some are easier to listen to than others). without intending to sidetrack this post (though of course much of that is going on already) My question to you pertains to these words of yours;
your right, I should have said if they continue to sin without repentance, then GOD will have no part of them in heaven. Thanks
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but if they continue in that sin, even after repentance, then they wont make it to heaven.
My question is pretty simple. ARE YOU SURE? I expect you are pretty sure or you wouldn't have made these statements however...can you answer this? What does repentance mean? I can tell you, I have repented but I still sin. I can also testify that God has brought me into His kingdom, and I live in it(or it in me) every day...and I still sin.
I can not use either of your statements. I would be condemning myself. I have repented. I have confessed and repented. There are some things I have confessed and repented of hundreds of times. I still lie. I still lust. According to your words, I would be condemned as I expect all Christians would be. None of us are without sin.
I am fairly certain I am not condemned. My sins are covered by Jesus blood. Please consider these things, What does repentance really mean?
your right, I should have said if they continue to sin without repentance, then GOD will have no part of them in heaven. Thanks
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but if they continue in that sin, even after repentance, then they wont make it to heaven.
My question is pretty simple. ARE YOU SURE? I expect you are pretty sure or you wouldn't have made these statements however...can you answer this? What does repentance mean? I can tell you, I have repented but I still sin. I can also testify that God has brought me into His kingdom, and I live in it(or it in me) every day...and I still sin.
I can not use either of your statements. I would be condemning myself. I have repented. I have confessed and repented. There are some things I have confessed and repented of hundreds of times. I still lie. I still lust. According to your words, I would be condemned as I expect all Christians would be. None of us are without sin.
I am fairly certain I am not condemned. My sins are covered by Jesus blood. Please consider these things, What does repentance really mean?
You have to be careful how you word things. To people in the 'gay rights' movement, LGBT movement, or whatever they want to call themselves, "homosexual" and "gay" have a different definition than they do to a lot of Christian evangelicals.
For them "homosexual" or "gay" is a state of being, an identity, something they think they were born with and that cannot be changed. That's the way a lot of them see it and what they are taught by the rhetoric that comes out of the movement.
So there are some Christians who struggle with same sex attraction who want to call themselves 'gay Christians' even though they aren't acting on the desires. It is not a sin to have a weakness in some area if one resists the temptation. Fornication is a sin, but a lot of Christian men have the propensity to be tempted to at least ogle an attractive naked woman who walks by, or a woman in a bikini. It's a sin to look after a woman to lust after her. I suppose if a man with a problem with same sex attraction saw a fit man in a Speedo walk by, he could have a similar temptation. But if he doesn't look, he doesn't sin.
The issue isn't 'homosexuality' as an orientation (which is how the movement has defined the word, and how much of society understands the word.) The issue is that the Bible teaches a man not to lie with a man as one does with a woman. People are also to guard their hearts against all kinds of lusts. There are ways of entertaining lust and sinning without performing a physical act (like looking at porn, people on the beach, fully clothed people walking by with the wrong attitude of the heart, etc.)
Something else to keep in mind is that plenty of people engaged in what we might call 'homosexual sin' who aren't what the LGBT people would call 'homosexual.' Back in the first century, there were men who were married who did this kind of stuff, apparently, in Greek and Roman society. Sexually, the society had become very perverted. The LGBT movement has created this theory of different categories of people based on 'sexual orientation' (basically their sexual preferences) as if it is an innate, unchangeable way of categorizing people.
That's something in mind when you write or talk about this stuff.
For them "homosexual" or "gay" is a state of being, an identity, something they think they were born with and that cannot be changed. That's the way a lot of them see it and what they are taught by the rhetoric that comes out of the movement.
So there are some Christians who struggle with same sex attraction who want to call themselves 'gay Christians' even though they aren't acting on the desires. It is not a sin to have a weakness in some area if one resists the temptation. Fornication is a sin, but a lot of Christian men have the propensity to be tempted to at least ogle an attractive naked woman who walks by, or a woman in a bikini. It's a sin to look after a woman to lust after her. I suppose if a man with a problem with same sex attraction saw a fit man in a Speedo walk by, he could have a similar temptation. But if he doesn't look, he doesn't sin.
The issue isn't 'homosexuality' as an orientation (which is how the movement has defined the word, and how much of society understands the word.) The issue is that the Bible teaches a man not to lie with a man as one does with a woman. People are also to guard their hearts against all kinds of lusts. There are ways of entertaining lust and sinning without performing a physical act (like looking at porn, people on the beach, fully clothed people walking by with the wrong attitude of the heart, etc.)
Something else to keep in mind is that plenty of people engaged in what we might call 'homosexual sin' who aren't what the LGBT people would call 'homosexual.' Back in the first century, there were men who were married who did this kind of stuff, apparently, in Greek and Roman society. Sexually, the society had become very perverted. The LGBT movement has created this theory of different categories of people based on 'sexual orientation' (basically their sexual preferences) as if it is an innate, unchangeable way of categorizing people.
That's something in mind when you write or talk about this stuff.