gal 3:10-12 to those who keep looking law ward.

[eternally-gratefull]

Problem with your statement is that I have NEVER said that. What I have said is this...

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

1Jn 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1Jn 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.

What is a sin unto death?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Wilfully choosing to disobey, to sin is the unpardonable sin because those committing it will NOT stop. They will not repent, so therefore they are doing despite to the Spirit of grace and there is no further sacrifice.

Now, I expect that you will treat this post as you have every other one that I have made and ignore it and post what you wish I had said instead of what I actually said.

1. I never said you said that. God did. So why again did you not answer. You seem to have a habit of this. You posted a passage., And I tried to show you what you should see from that passage, and instead you went off on another tangent..

2. Sin unto death. This talks of physical death, not spiritual death (loss of salvation) But you should know this. How can one possibly see a brother commit any sin which is unto death if it is spiritual? there is no visual sign of this. The only way we can see it is if it is physical in nature. IE, A brother has too many to drink, and foolishly gets behind the wheel. If he does not die from his sin.. We should do what John says
3. Hebrews - Nice of you again to destroy Context. Did Paul contradict himself??

[SUP]9 [/SUP]then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.”[SUP][b][/SUP] He takes away the first that He may establish the second. [SUP]10 [/SUP]By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Sanctified once for all.. Does this not mean we are completely sanctified (set apart) by Christ's one sacrifice?

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified.

Perfected forever?? So I take it again, forever does not mean forever?? How many times did God lie to us??

Willfull sin, Willfull unchanged life.. Do you think that person was ever saved? According to John,, a person who is saved can't sin because he has been born of God. I guess John lied also??

Finally. Post what I wish you said?? lol.. You have nerve.. You demand answers. When your given, you say we did not answer because it did not agree with you. Yet you refuse to respond to answer tough questions brought to you. Instead you make these small attacks.. And you expect people to listen to you??

WOW

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Wilfully choosing to disobey, to sin is the unpardonable sin because those committing it will NOT stop. They will not repent, so therefore they are doing despite to the Spirit of grace and there is no further sacrifice.

Now, I expect that you will treat this post as you have every other one that I have made and ignore it and post what you wish I had said instead of what I actually said.

Forgot to answer this.

In jesus words.

ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHENY SHALL BE FORGIVEN ALL MEN.

But blasphemy of the HS shall never be forgiven.

there is only one unpardonable sin. Rejection of the Gospel. Which the HS was sent to convict, Teach, and bring us to a knowledge of our standing with God and his gospel. To twist his words, our out right reject them is to blaspheme him. this is the ONLY unpardonable sin.

 

[haz]

...and that's complete rubbish. 1 Corinthians 5 and 6 speak of physical, literal sins.

1Cor 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I'm curious whether you see a believer as righteous even if they do not obey the law perfectly?

 

[starfield]

You're missing my point.
In believing in Jesus our life is hid with Christ in God, Col 3:3. And in Christ there is no sin, 1John 3:5.
If we continue to believe in Jesus, then we (the new creation) remain without sin.
To say that a Christian is in sin is like saying that Jesus is in sin.

So what if a Christian sin, do they remain sinless and perfect?

Note 1Cor 6:18
Flee (spiritual) fornication (with Hagar/works of the law). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body (body of Christ which Christians abide in); but he that committeth fornication (with Hagar) sinneth against his own body (the body of Christ).

You have no right to twist bible passages. This verse is alluding to physical fornication (i.e. sexual sin). I havenever encountered anyone who interprets it the way you do.

Note that every sin (as judged through the law, 1John 3:4, which we are no longer under) that a believer commits, is outside the body of Christ (which we abide in). That is we cannot be charged (Rom 8:33) with sin/transgression of the law as we're not under the law for righteousness. Instead, our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.But if a Christian turns back to the law to prove righteousness, then they are in sin of unbelief in Jesus. They are fornicating with Hagar, which is sinning against the body of Christ which they are members of.

So if a believer turns back to unbelief, are they not under the law, thus charged with sin??? Isn't unbelief a sin?

Yes, Jesus is the advocate for non-believers in sin. If we read 1John 1 from the beginning we see it's evangelical context as it "bears witness", "declares", "eternal life" to those without Christ so that they also "may have fellowship" with the "Father and His Son".

So you're saying Jesus is not believer's Advocate with the Father? Who was John's audience here: 1 John 2:1-2 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world", believers or non-believers?

But after we receive Christ, our physical body is dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10. It was crucified with Christ, Rom 6:6.

Those passages are in relation to our conformity with Christ and living in submission to Him as the Spirit leads.

As our physical body is already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10, why would we then judge whether we're righteous or not based on it's behavior?

Did John not say those who do what is right are righteous?

Paul vehemently spoke against misconduct to the churches...

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Col 3:8 But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.
Col 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;
Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:
Col 3:11 Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
Col 3:12 Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Col 3:14 And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
Col 3:15 And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.

You seem to believe that God does not care about our behaviour once we're saved, therefore we can live in outright rebellion against Him.

The physical will never be perfect, so why would we then expect that it can be, so as to attain righteousness through works of the law?

You are wrongly focusing on our imperfect physical state, which is already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10.

What "sin" can be charged against Christians/the new creation in Christ?

We can't be charged with the sin of transgression of the law (1john 3:4) as we're not under the law, Rom 8:2, Rom 10:4, Gal 3:25, Gal 5:18, 1tim 1:9.

We can't be charged with the sin of unrighteousness (1john 5:17) as our faith is counted for righteousness, Rom 4:5.

We can't be charged with unbelief (john 16:9) as we do believe in Jesus.

Rom 8:33
Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth

1John 3:6-9
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Pet 4:1
Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered (crucified) for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind (our old man crucified with him, Rom 6:6): for he that hath suffered in the flesh (Rom 6:6) hath ceased from sin;


Scripture confirms scripture which all confirms that Jesus truly freed us from sin, John 8:36.

You know what, Haz, the more I read your posts the more I see Dualistic Antinomianism and Antinomian Perfectionism which is what Apostle Jude spoke of in Jude 1:4. You believe God only saves the soul/spirit while physical behaviour is of no concern to him, therefore Christians can engage in sexual sins, stealing, murder, idolatry, etc., and their spirit will still be pure (sinless).

You believe that because Christians are not under the law but grace, God overlooks any misbehaviour that may occur, therefore Christians are essentially sinless, that's why you interpret 1 John 3:6 "sinneth not" as the inability to sin in the context of Christians having a magic cloak for ongoing rebellion. That is what you believe, yes or no?

These passages refutes your heretical doctrine: 2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Rom 6:12-16
12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[haz]

What you will find is that we are not under the penalty of, the jurisdiction of the law to bring death. To say that the Law no longer applies to us opens some interesting complications...

Scripture says we're not under the law (which means all of it, including it's death penalty for transgression).
This ministry of condemnation/death was done away with, 2Cor 3:7.

Believers are under the much more glorious ministry of the spirit/righteousness 2Cor 3.

And believers keep his commandments.
1John 3:22,23
we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight. And this is His commandment: that we should believe on the name of His Son Jesus Christ and love one another, as He gave us commandment.

 

[notuptome]

1Cor 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I'm curious whether you see a believer as righteous even if they do not obey the law perfectly?

God's answer is in 2 Cor 5:21

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[haz]

So what if a Christian sin, do they remain sinless and perfect?

Yes, the new creation in Christ is sinless (1John 3:9, 1Pet 4:1, John 8:36, Rom 6:7, Rom 8:33) and perfect (Heb 10:14).
Their body however is already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10.

You have no right to twist bible passages. This verse is alluding to physical fornication (i.e. sexual sin). I havenever encountered anyone who interprets it the way you do.

I've encountered others who understand the spiritual truth in scripture about spiritual fornication. If you don't understand scripture then ask of God who gives liberally James 1:5.

[/COLOR]So if a believer turns back to unbelief, are they not under the law, thus charged with sin??? Isn't unbelief a sin?[/FONT]

Unbelief in Jesus is sin, John 16:9
Being under the law to prove righteousness is unbelief in Jesus.

So you're saying Jesus is not believer's Advocate with the Father? Who was John's audience here:

1 John 2:1-2 "My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world",

believers or non-believers?

What "sin" are you suggesting Christians are charged with in 1John 1:8,9 and 1John 2:1?

And why ignore the evangelical context of 1John 1? It's clearly addressing non-believers, declaring eternal life to them.

Did John not say those who do what is right are righteous?

How do we do righteousness?
Option 1: Perfect obedience to the law
Option 2: Our faith is counted for righteousness. Believe in Jesus

Those in unbelief choose option 1.

But Christians choose option 2.

Paul vehemently spoke against misconduct to the churches...

Gal 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
Gal 5:17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
Gal 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
Gal 5:24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
Gal 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, is all speaking of spiritual.

I know you don't understand this though.

I'm curious how you explain "drunkeness" and "revellings" in a physical context that brings condemnation/death.
What's also interesting is that neither of these is listed in the 10 commandments.
Also interesting is that failure to keep the Sabbath is not listed in Gal 5:19-21.

You seem to believe that God does not care about our behaviour once we're saved, therefore we can live in outright rebellion against Him.

If you had read my earlier posts you would have seen I said that Christians do not have license to do wrong under grace. We will not profit by doing wrong as God disciplines us. Consider King David with his adultery and murder.

You know what, Haz, the more I read your posts the more I see Dualistic Antinomianism and Antinomian Perfectionism which is what Apostle Jude spoke of in Jude 1:4. You believe God only saves the soul/spirit while physical behaviour is of no concern to him, therefore Christians can engage in sexual sins, stealing, murder, idolatry, etc., and their spirit will still be pure (sinless).

Jude 1:4 in speaking of "turning the grace of God into lasciviousness....", is referring to those who use grace to preach the law. We see these doctrines often on forums where it's argued that grace enables one to keep the law. The lasciviousness/lust such doctrines promote is fornication with Hagar/works of the law.

You believe that because Christians are not under the law but grace, God overlooks any misbehaviour that may occur, therefore Christians are essentially sinless, that's why you interpret 1 John 3:6 "sinneth not" as the inability to sin in the context of Christians having a magic cloak for ongoing rebellion.

That is what you believe, yes or no?

I've answered this above.

These passages refutes your heretical doctrine:

2 Cor 7:1 Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

You assume this is all relating to physical behavior, yet you have no scripture to back that view up.
I suggest you read the preceding verses in 2Cor 6 to see the context. Note how it says to come out from among those in darkness.

Rom 6:12-16
12. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13. Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

15. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16. Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

How does one sin?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER

In other words, unbelief in Jesus

 

[haz]

God's answer is in 2 Cor 5:21

For the cause of Christ
Roger

2Cor 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him

Thanks, Roger.

 

[homwardbound]

Okay, so you earlier said that Christians can go back under the law, which is a sin, and we should be wary of that, and now you're saying that Christians are unable to sin. Isn't that a contradiction?





You completely redefine sin, Haz. I'm not entirely sure what you're trying to convey.

Once again I ask, does God pretend that these aren't sins, if (according to you) unbelief is the only damnable sin?
Colossians 3:5-8
5. Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:
6. For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:
7. In the which ye also walked some time, when ye lived in them.
8. But now ye also put off all these; anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy communication out of your mouth.

Would God's wrath come upon those who disobey by doing those things if in fact they aren't sins?

What does it mean to mortify your members?


But that verse distinguishes unbelief from other sins.

starfield this is the distinction of flesh and Spirit In the Spirit of God given by the reurrected Christ, one can't sin ever in the Spirit of God, not possible. Now if one walks back in the flesh then they are controlled by the Law of sin and death,many today do not see this and think they are walking in the Spirit and are not, I remember before I came to the end of the energy of my own flesh, waving my white flag giving up, as I thought was to the enemy, but was to God to do in me what I could not do in the energy of my own flesh and that was Love all as God unconditionally loved, and just loves me and all the world the same.
This is why we are to learn to be dead to sin, Flesh nature, caranl mindedness and alive to God in the Spirit of God daily dyiing to our flesh, sinful nature for all sin has been condemned to the flesh
[h=3]Romans 8:3[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh,

1 Corinthians 15:31
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Speaking about flesh vrs The Spirit of God (Truth). Our flesh bodies at this present time are not redeemed and therfore subjected to Law that it cannot fulfill, not perfectly ever. This why Paul wrote about being under the Law usiing Adultery as the allegory in Romans 7.Maybe re-read that and find whatever gold nuggets God wishes for you to recieve this time around. Praying so, not out to fight just debate truth of what I see and what you see being a child of the liviing God as well

 

[homwardbound]

So, why try? Live any way you want and grace covers all?

First born of the flesh, then the Spirit, how will one ever know until he tries to do what Christ already did? it is by Faith in chirst the death, and resurrection that salvation is given to us.
[h=3]John 3:5-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

So please continue in trying until you personally come to the end of the energy of your own flesh and see the new born again Spirit that God is and has given you by the resurrected Christ, because you have chosen to believe and continue to, you will see,and thus rest in God soon, seeing how deep God does just love you
Then we truly love because

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

 

[homwardbound]

hmm, unbelief is the root of all sin, I wouldn't limit it to 'spiritual' sin though. 1Cor chaps 5&6

There is the Spirit of error that nudges the flesh and the Spirit of truth of God where no sin can occur and I see we each that beleive are learning to walk by the Spirit of truth, and being dead to the Spirit of error, that tries to put thoughts in our heads to accept through emotion and thus be a wreck, not walkiing in truth.
I want to walk in truth not what I think is truth knowiing that the Spirit of error has a needle full of heroin and does its best to inject stinking thinking to cause disharmony, fights, arguements and the sort. Hopefully I grow up to discern this along with all the rest of us here on CC

 

[Grandpa]

1Cor 2:14
But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

I'm curious whether you see a believer as righteous even if they do not obey the law perfectly?

Matthew 7:16-20
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.


Romans 14:9-13

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

 

[homwardbound]

...therefore Christians can be charged, convicted, and reprimanded for sin in their lives. You have to make that conclusion otherwise you would be contradicting yourself.


It appears you believe that any sin Christians commit isn't really a sin because we are under grace thus we are in a sinless state hypothetically as per 1 John 3:6, isn't it? I don't know how you came up with this idea but it is unscriptural and absurd. If once saved, we are incapable of ever sinning again, why would we need an advocate, Jesus Christ?
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Because of the battle between flesh and Spirit
Galatians 5:17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

So it should be easy to discern, if I sin I was somehow walking in the flesh again, hmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how did this occur Lord? And God does the teaching on how to walk in God's Spirit daily
So because of the carnal nature that does not want to die and we do get decieved by it we have an advocate, and yet we are to learn to walk in the Spirit of God constant where we do not sin
[h=3]1 John 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)

2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

 

[john832]

Forgot to answer this.

In jesus words.

ALL MANNER OF SIN AND BLASPHENY SHALL BE FORGIVEN ALL MEN.

But blasphemy of the HS shall never be forgiven.

there is only one unpardonable sin. Rejection of the Gospel. Which the HS was sent to convict, Teach, and bring us to a knowledge of our standing with God and his gospel. To twist his words, our out right reject them is to blaspheme him. this is the ONLY unpardonable sin.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of the gospel? Got a scripture?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Says here that wilfull sinning is doing despite to the Holy Spirit and that it is the sin that there is not forgiven...

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the rejection of the gospel? Got a scripture?

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Says here that wilfull sinning is doing despite to the Holy Spirit and that it is the sin that there is not forgiven...

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

Got Scripture?

Tell me what other passage in which Jesus or any apostle says anything will not be forgiven?

You forget hebrews is written to people who were trying to follow law. And also people who went the opposite and thought ok,, We do not need the law. we can believe and thats all.

Of course there is no more sacrifice for sin. There was only one sacrifice. if you reject that sacrifice and placing your faith in Christ in repentance, You have called the HS a liar. and you will die in your sin.

Of course. How many times are you going to IGNORE the part about perfected forever?

Yet again, you love to ask questions, but you refuse to answer.. WHY ARE YOU SO AFRAID??

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And when are people going to get off this willfull sin excuse? Why do you want to excuse your own sin??

I am sorry God. I did not mean to lie, I did not mean to get angry, i did not mean to think a bad thought. It was all a mistake, I did not willfully do this..

Poor me, At least I am not like the murderer, fornicator or adulterer.

Whatever!

 

[starfield]

I've encountered others who understand the spiritual truth in scripture about spiritual fornication.

You mean those in your cult?

Unbelief in Jesus is sin, John 16:9
Being under the law to prove righteousness is unbelief in Jesus.

Dualistic antinomianism and Antinomian perfectionism. Heresy.

What "sin" are you suggesting Christians are charged with in 1John 1:8,9 and 1John 2:1?
When Jesus
And why ignore the evangelical context of 1John 1? It's clearly addressing non-believers, declaring eternal life to them.

Dualistic antinomianism and Antinomian perfectionism. Heresy.

How do we do righteousness?
Option 1: Perfect obedience to the law
Option 2: Our faith is counted for righteousness. Believe in Jesus

Those in unbelief choose option 1.

But Christians choose option 2.

Faith is obedience, Haz. We obey God because we are saved. God hates sin, we are not saved to continue in debauchery, God is of purer eyes than to behold evil that's why He said those who proclaim the name of Christ must DEPART from all forms of iniquity.

Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, is all speaking of spiritual.

Okay, how exactly do you commit spiritual adultery, fornication, lasciviousness, drunkenness, revellings, etc.?

I'm curious how you explain "drunkeness" and "revellings" in a physical context that brings condemnation/death.

Is it proper for a man to go to the bar, get drunk, and then rape a woman? Does God wink at such behaviour since according to you we have an imperfect flesh that inevitably sins whist having perfect spirit? Be honest with yourself; is such a behaviour characteristic of one who is walking after the Spirit of God?

Why did Paul mention this: Eph 5:18 And be not drunk with wine, wherein is excess; but be filled with the Spirit;

Also interesting is that failure to keep the Sabbath is not listed in Gal 5:19-21.

We aren't required to observe the Sabbath. Jesus is now where we find rest.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

If you had read my earlier posts you would have seen I said that Christians do not have license to do wrong under grace. We will not profit by doing wrong as God disciplines us. Consider King David with his adultery and murder.

So you admit that Christians can fall into sin (do wrong).

Was David sinless or sinful when he committed adultery and murder?

If he was sinless and right in God's sight, why did he need to repent?

Jude 1:4 in speaking of "turning the grace of God into lasciviousness....", is referring to those who use grace to preach the law. We see these doctrines often on forums where it's argued that grace enables one to keep the law. The lasciviousness/lust such doctrines promote is fornication with Hagar/works of the law.

No, it's referring to people like you who think because Christians aren't under the law but grace they have leeway to live riotously and be 'sinless' at the same time.

Haz, you blabber Dualistic antinomianism and Antinomian perfectionism. You need to repent of this heresy.

You assume this is all relating to physical behavior, yet you have no scripture to back that view up.

Dualistic antinomianism and Antinomian perfectionism. Heresy.

How does one sin?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER

In other words, unbelief in Jesus

Dualistic antinomianism and Antinomian perfectionism. Heresy.

 

[crossnote]

Hi crossnote,

Scripture is spiritually discerned, 1Cor 2:14.
This applies to 1Cor 5&6 too. The offenses they describe are all spiritual.

For example 1Cor 5 refers to spiritual fornication, where someone had his father's wife.
The "father" refers to the devil (as Jesus described in John 8:44).
His "wife" refers to Hagar/righteousness by works of the law, Gal 4:25.

Note also 1Cor 5:7 which says to "purge out the old leaven".
Jesus described "leaven" in Matt 16:12 as the doctrine of righteousness by works of the law (as the Pharisees preached).

So we see the reference to "leaven" confirming that 1Cor 5 speaks about spiritual fornication with Hagar/righteousness by works of the law.

Remember, Christians are one spirit with the Lord.
1Cor 6:15-18
Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot (Hagar)? God forbid. What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.

But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.

Flee fornication (with Hagar). Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body.

Well with that kind of allegorizing, there is no stopping one from interpreting the bible to say just about anything. I hope Jesus rose from the dead in a physical body or ours remain unredeemed.

How do you handle this vs?...

For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
(2Co 5:10)

 

[crossnote]

How do Ya'all incorporate Jer 31:33 into the Christian walk?

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
(Jer 31:33)

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Yes, the new creation in Christ is sinless (1John 3:9, 1Pet 4:1, John 8:36, Rom 6:7, Rom 8:33) and perfect (Heb 10:14). Their body however is already dead (by faith) because of sin, Rom 8:10.

Unbelief in Jesus is sin, John 16:9
Being under the law to prove righteousness is unbelief in Jesus.

How does one sin?
Gal 2:18
For if I build again those things which I destroyed (righteousness by works of the law), I make myself a transgressor/SINNER

In other words, unbelief in Jesus

Unbelief in Jesus quenches the spirit, which is our life. So really sin is anything that quenches the new life. Stated another way, whatever is not of faith is sin. This is the new covenant law of the spirit of life in Christ.

Those who seek to justify themselves through the law of Moses have never been born from above, or are sinning against their new life created in heaven.