whats your opinion on atheism ?

[homwardbound]

It was someone else, Lutheran for about 14 years, then I was upset with Martin Luther's little anti-semetic episode near the end of his life, so I personally and privately became a literalistic christian going by nothing but the bible for 3 or 4 years. I do not know what is beyond the gate, what awaits everyone beyond life, but I'm not expecting something, and I'm not certainly presupposing that there is something. By all means what is here, is what is natural. My agnostic atheism and evolution have nothing in common, and neither depend upon the other (though theists and non-theists alike seem to think otherwise at times). And when I say I am an atheist, I say it tentatively, I understand that -Isms, whether it be theism or otherwise, may put blinders as to what we allow ourselves to believe. That's one of the reasons I'm considering attempting to simply unlabeled when it comes to religion. Religion is almost inescapable, it took me a year to reconsider my beliefs, because, (if you've heard of the superstitious pigeon experiment), people who are in a religion actively look to attribute natural occurrences in life to their god, and although most if not all people on this forum are nice and moral, most if not all only see the world through the lens of their religious views.

Religion all is a creation of man, not God.
Jesus went against those religious leaders of his day, and exposed them, with truth about them, and they hated it.
Religion is what am I doing to get God to respond to me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
God is the creator not the creation, therefore I do not see God ever responding to me by what I do or not do, since I know I am not the creator, yet have been taught by this world to be one, as what this world teaches.
If you do good God will reward you, you do good and people reward you, not God, then one sees the truth about people and even of ourselves doing bad to others for self-gain and we turn from wanting to know who God really is, walking away from religion
And I am elated over those who do walk away from trying to get God and people to respond to them by what they do or not do.
See if you made a glass to be used for drinking, water, or whatever liquid you choose to, you would be the master of that glass would you not? And you since you are the master of that glass you will use it as you choose yes?
Now if by chance you were able to breath life into this glass and this glass comes alive, then would you not need to then free it to know right and wrong? poor example I see.
But this is what God did for us. So we could choose, and the bottom line is either we appreciate god for this awareness and then see truth and love our neighbor as God does love us all.
But the ones that are out for themselves hurt the wheat, and cause the dysfunctional family that is all around us today.
Now this includes oneself, to become no more dysfunctional through going to God to know God for one reason only


"Comfort God by letting God know that you would see God just to dwell in God's Presence. Not for teaching, not for material gain, not even for a message, but for God. The longing of the human heart to be loved for itself is something caught from the Great Divine Heart."
forget about the people and all their errors, ask God to first correct yours?

 

[homwardbound]

But the thing that most disgusts me about any organized, political, religious, or cultural organization is the indoctrination of children.

yep, something like Pavlov's dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. If we are to be free then why are a lot not, Conditioning maybe? I need more conditioner for my hair, not my thoughts yes?

 

[megaman125]

If the big bang and evolution aren't beliefs, then why is it atheists always like to ask Christians "Do you believe evolution?" They ask us if we BELIEVE it, then get offended when we say evolution is a BELIEF. Typical fundie atheists contradicting themselves. Speaking of atheist contradictions...

You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...

 

[homwardbound]

The indoctrination to tell your child that god exists and that no matter what anyone tells you or no matter what challenges they give you, it's true. That's the disgusting act of what a parent can do.

Telling your child not to steal or murder is great, but telling them god exists is just wrong. The best thing to do is to give them all the info, unbiase of course with no favour toward either side, and let them decide what they believe.

as they grow up teach them why this way you show they are loved and can forge their own path, yet I am sure they will Love all as God truly does, and is not a tyrant
I think if God were a tyrant Christ would have forsaken going to the cross
Micah 6:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
Matthew 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

 

[homwardbound]

I's say personally, i'm tired of hearing that it's too complicated that it must have been from a creator and the proof is everywhere blahblah.

We're not trying to disprove christianity, we just don't find any reason to believe in it and i want to know why you guys do. And so far i have not heard any good evidence.

Gravity is a force, we know it's there because we have demonstrated that things fall at an accelerated pace. We can't see god, but we also have nothing to demonstrate that it's there or that he's even doing anything

I gave you my evidence of what happened to my Brother and it is on his death certificate, cause of death unknown. I have personally had many other experiences, just as I am sure you have had yours, and have chosen to ignore them, wanting to know ours. All I can tell is GODJUSTLOVEYOU. If you only get this out of all this, then I am grateful to God even if you do not get it that God just love you personally, because I know God does, waitng for you to respond personally, not religiously
Thanks

 

[IDEAtor]

Everyone worships something, whether or not it is identified as such.
A true atheist is one who believes there is no deity.
Just as there are fake "Christians" and fake "Muslims,"
there are many so-called "Atheists," who are really theists.
A fake Christian is more dangerous than a fake anything else.

 

[homwardbound]

Death is only a part of life, it has a beginning and an end.

rejoice at death, cry at birth, King Solomon said this I think in Ecclesiastes. Hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and this world has it backwards.

 

[homwardbound]

I do not know what is beyond death, nor will I presuppose what is to twist it to my liking.

To know only is revealed by God to you personally what is truth and what is not about the after life.
And the thief knowing he deserved death believed Christ is who he showed he is, and Christ said today you will be with me in paradise. He believed, oh wait a minute, the religious had to stop this, pull him down and water baptize him, then make him confess with his Mouth out loud to all them so he can go to paradise HMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think not, religious ones are the tyrants God is not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Grey]

And by what you just said tells me you know there is God and that God is real, when the time comes there will be no excuse
[h=3]Romans 1:19-20[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

I know down deep you believe God, but you have been ruffled by those that claim belief and have seen their fake ways acting as if they believe and really do not. I see more love of God coming out from you than those that basically say look at me in front of everyone and behind closed doors are not believers, worshipping with their lips, and hearts are far from God.
tell me, can you harm me is it in you to harm others in actuality? I know we can all get mad at others, but when the rubber hits the road can you harm that person that has done you wrong
There is a story of King David before he was King, when Saul was King and was against David. David running and hiding from King Saul. Now God put King Saul in front of David, and gave David the opportunity to kill King Saul.
What did David do, he couldn't do it why? because of the Love that God put in him, by David making the choice in believing God.
So your choice and if it is not in you to steal, kill, lie and or cheat, then you are of God, whether you like it or not.
I see what you are against and it is the people that claim to be of God and are not
Just what I see
Thank you for your honesty

You've completely misunderstood and strawmanned me, my point is if there is a god, who gave us rational thought, then why would he punish us for using what he gave us?

 

[Grey]

Man shaped god not the other way around, in all religions, in Christianity, man wrote the scriptures, man compiled the text, man formed a conciliate hundreds of years after Christ to determine what books would be included and EXCLUDED to be forgotten, man translated and interpreted the scriptures, and man led brother against brother when he disagreed with his neighbor's way of interpreting god.

 

[Grey]

If the big bang and evolution aren't beliefs, then why is it atheists always like to ask Christians "Do you believe evolution?" They ask us if we BELIEVE it, then get offended when we say evolution is a BELIEF. Typical fundie atheists contradicting themselves. Speaking of atheist contradictions...

You may be a fundamentalist atheist if...

One word, theory.

 

[megaman125]

You've completely misunderstood and strawmanned me, my point is if there is a god, who gave us rational thought, then why would he punish us for using what he gave us?

23. You blame God for the starvation, sickness, pain and suffering in the world...when, indeed, it is MAN's greed, politics, selfishness and apathy that not only causes, but also ignores the sick and the starving masses. We aren't our brothers' keepers....but we should be.

Man shaped god not the other way around, in all religions, in Christianity, man wrote the scriptures, man compiled the text, man formed a conciliate hundreds of years after Christ to determine what books would be included and EXCLUDED to be forgotten, man translated and interpreted the scriptures, and man led brother against brother when he disagreed with his neighbor's way of interpreting god.

21. While you don't believe in God, you feel justified on bashing God or attacking those who believe in something that you KNOW doesn't exist, fighting against or even discussing about a non-existent being are the symptoms of mental illness!

296. You can't believe in a book that was created over two thousand years ago because "we're not sure WHAT happened", but you know for a fact that religion was created tens of thousands of years ago specifically to control the brainwashed public.

420. You KNOW you are right about Gods non-existence. Christians and co will see that nothing happens when they die....and you'll be laughing at them in your grave for being wrong....Errrrr...

So tell me some more how you KNOW you're right and that man created god and God definetly didn't create man.

 

[Grey]

What am I going to do with all this straw? Where did I say I blame any of those things on a god that may or may not exist meg?

There's a difference between critism and outright bashing meg, particularly when I've said Im here to express my opinion, not to call people idiots.
And no I've never stated that religion was conceived as a method of control, rather it is created to fill a void of knowledge, knowledge about death, life, how we came to be here.

How many times have I expressed that.I don't know, and that I lack absolute certainty to say that a god does not exist?

Notice how I said man shaped god, not created, tell me what part of my quote did I get wrong meg? I wasn't touching on the issue of whether or not a god exists, I was pointing out that Christianity is shaped, recorded, and translated by men. Whether or not a god was involved what part of my quote is wrong?

 

[Dude653]

But the thing that most disgusts me about any organized, political, religious, or cultural organization is the indoctrination of children.

But yet here you are at a religious websight. To the iggy bin, troll!

 

[Grey]

But yet here you are at a religious websight. To the iggy bin, troll!

Was there a point to be made?

 

[basebool]

That was like the 2nd time you have referred to me as ignorant. Would it be accurate to say you are ignorant to my belief as well. Listen if all that was actually proven it wouldn't be theory just like intelligent design. Lets say life did come from non-matter ok......1 why are we the only ones that have intelligence? 2 - How does it explain ALL creatures under the sun. Did this nonmatter produce all life forms at once? I apologize for being defensive but my experience with those like you has always been lets drop the ignorant name that'll get to her...... It's offensive to be called that....and because I'm a bible thumper I'm also intolerant biggotted, homophobic....blah blah blah everything nasty If these things were proven I think everyone would denounce God. He wouldn't be around because He would be disproved. right? I have never called you direct names such as ignorant do I not deserve the same respect my friend?

You do realize the man who came up with the big bang theory was catholic right? You do also realize you can accept evolution and the big bang and still b christian?

And i never called you ignorant, i'm saying you are if you blantely rejected something with no intention of understanding it, but hopefully you aren't.

Now i can answer some of your questions:

1) it depends how you define intellegence. Apes and chimpanzenes and other mammels have intellegence too, obviously different from ours. I think i know what you're referring to and the simple answer is that we got lucky. There was no innate reason why we are the only ones, it just happened. We're lucky to have greatly evolved brains to do so many things, and can be explained with evolution.

2) i don't know what you're asking there.

3) the non-matter had its reaction, but there's no current theory describing who was first and all that. All we know is that it produced our common ancestor and after millions of years comes us.

And i've been trying to be nice here, please don't take it out of context. Let's just have a discussion and leave out personal things.

And just to reiterate, evolution =\= disproving god, i know many christians who accept pretty much all the science out there. So i'm sure you can too

 

[megaman125]

How many times have I expressed that.I don't know, and that I lack absolute certainty to say that a god does not exist?

but yet you claim you know that man shaped god and not the other way around.

Notice how I said man shaped god, not created, tell me what part of my quote did I get wrong meg? I wasn't touching on the issue of whether or not a god exists, I was pointing out that Christianity is shaped, recorded, and translated by men. Whether or not a god was involved what part of my quote is wrong?

You're just atempting to argue semantics rather than admit you're using them interchangably.

 

[megaman125]

And just to reiterate, evolution =\= disproving god, i know many christians who accept pretty much all the science out there. So i'm sure you can too

So why are you so adamant about getting Christians to believe the way you do about billions of years ago? We don't care for your billions of years beliefs, and we're not going to start believing them just because you keep spouting it as absolute fact and "other Christians believe it."

 

[basebool]

But yet here you are at a religious websight. To the iggy bin, troll!

So you are ok with forcing children into your religion? If you aren't then you're post didn't make sense

 

[Grey]

but yet you claim you know that man shaped god and not the other way around.



You're just atempting to argue semantics rather than admit you're using them interchangably.

If you believe in Yahweh, he certainly didn't shape us, he made us. What I mean by shaping is taking something already there and molding it into scripture.