Cessationism or Continuationism: What Does Scripture Say?

[zone]

Two more keys to understanding are: afterward and on all flesh

AFTERWARD - spoken by JOEL nearly 900 years BEFORE JESUS APPEARED.

that's called a prophecy.

he prophesied about the LAST DAYS - please refer to this AGAIN:

c. 68 AD

Hebrews 1
God’s Final Word: His Son
1In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets <<<LIKE JOEL.......at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs.

.................

the writer of Hebrews said LAST DAYS.

c. 68 AD
c. 68 AD
c. 68 AD
c. 68 AD

God’s Final Word: His Son

................

ALL FLESH:

Acts 2
5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven.


PETER SAID THIS IS THAT.
not it is like that or anything else.

DON'T YOU KNOW WHEN SCRIPTURE TESTIFIES FULFILLMENT OF ITS OWN PROPHECIES????????


spend one day on this please.



if all flesh means all flesh in the world in 2013+ that means UNIVERSALISM and universal use of the Holy Spirit gifts.

why don't people believe the Bible?

or at least spend a day on some history

.........

Pentecostals tend to see their movement as reflecting the same kind of spiritual power and teachings that were found in the Apostolic Age of the early church. For this reason, some Pentecostals also use the term Apostolic or full gospel to describe their movement.

These early 20th century Pentecostals were radical adherents of the Holiness Movement, and were energized by revivalism and expectation for the imminent Second Coming of Christ. Believing that they were living in the end times, these evangelicals expected God to spiritually renew the Christian Church thereby bringing to pass the restoration of spiritual gifts and the evangelization of the world.

In 1900, Charles Parham, an American evangelist and faith healer, began teaching that speaking in tongues was the Bible evidence of Spirit baptism.

The three-year-long Azusa Street Revival in Los Angeles, California, resulted in the spread of Pentecostalism throughout the United States and the rest of the world as visitors carried the Pentecostal experience back to their home churches or felt called to the mission field. While virtually all Pentecostal denominations trace their origins to Azusa Street, the movement has experienced a variety of divisions and controversies. An early dispute centered around challenges to the doctrine of the Trinity. As a result, the Pentecostal Movement is divided between trinitarian and non-trinitarian branches. Comprising over 700 denominations and a large number of independent churches, there is no central authority governing Pentecostalism; however, many denominations are affiliated with the Pentecostal World Fellowship.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentecostalism

 

[zone]

I have noticed that there is no place in the epistles to the churches that their future generations are to ignore or remove certain portions of scripture, for it's not for them. We are taught that this is the full canon of scripture , that's it's complete. We are taught not to take away or add to it.

Joel 2:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [SUP]29 [/SUP]And also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my spirit.

Acts 2:14-18 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: [SUP]15 [/SUP]For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: [SUP]18 [/SUP]And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

JOEL

prophet to the ISRAELITES.

can anyone else see this?

what is wrong?

FULFILLED.

they said the LAST DAYS WERE THE FIRST ADVENT.

last days of the Old Covenant....transition to NEW.

is this really THAT HARD?

is Peter lying?

 

[zone]

i don't know.
i don't understand why we do not believe

GOD

His WORD said:

FULFILLED.

are we calling Him a liar?

are we UNBELIEVERS?

......

don't you people FEAR GOD?

better think this over long and hard.

somebody's got it VERY WRONG.

goodnight.

 

[zone]

Classical dispensationalists refer to the present day Church as a "parenthesis" or temporary interlude in the progress of Israel's prophesied history.[11]

Progressive dispensationalism "softens" the Church/Israel distinction by seeing some Old Testament promises as expanded by the New Testament to include the Church. However, progressives never view this expansion as replacing promises to its original audience, Israel.[12]

HERESY

Dual-covenant theology is a Christian view of the Old Covenant which holds that Jews may simply keep the "Law of Moses", because of the "everlasting covenant" (Genesis 17:13) between Abraham and God expressed in the Hebrew Bible, whereas Gentiles (those not Jews or Jewish proselytes) must convert to Christianity or alternatively accept the Seven Laws of Noah to be assured of a place in the World to Come.

 

[Stephen63]

What I don't understand is why you believe when a prophesy has "come to pass", it is done in an instant. Some have started coming to pass, but have not totally been fulfilled because they are not over yet. Dan 7 about the 4 beasts started coming to pass in Daniel's day, is being fulfilled today, & is yet to be finished. The same is true with Dan. 2 about the great image. "These signs shall follow them that believe" is a statement that began to come to pass about the time it was written & is still doing so, for it is for the whole church! God is not a respector of persons. If this scripture is for the church, it is for the whole church age, from its beginning till its end when Jesus returns.

 

[zone]

Dan 7 about the 4 beasts started coming to pass in Daniel's day, is being fulfilled today, & is yet to be finished. The same is true with Dan. 2 about the great image.

i asked if you wanted to see God's Word confirm those are fulfilled.
do you?

 

[GreenNnice]

ohzone, there are some things that are still to come to pass, a.k.a. fulfillment, like sons and daughters full of the Spirit prophesying, and, old men dreaming dreams and young men seeing visions. these are DISTINCT things not yet happened and Paul does not confirm it happened, and, Peter doesn't confirm in The Word it happened, John doesn't say anything of this and Jude either and NONE of history circa 68 A.D. states either of these visions and dreams from men , visions from men, DISTINCT things for both age groups, and, no DAUGHTERS have yet prophesied either, men, ditto.
New Testament history , Acts--Revelation does NOT support your distorted, abstract view of Joel 's prophecy in Acts 2 nor Peter's reiteration of Joel's fotetelling. Sorry, milady, nowhere.

 

[zone]

ohzone, there are some things that are still to come to pass, a.k.a. fulfillment, like sons and daughters full of the Spirit prophesying, and, old men dreaming dreams and young men seeing visions. these are DISTINCT things not yet happened and Paul does not confirm it happened, and, Peter doesn't confirm in The Word it happened, John doesn't say anything of this and Jude either and NONE of history circa 68 A.D. states either of these visions and dreams from men , visions from men, DISTINCT things for both age groups, and, no DAUGHTERS have yet prophesied either, men, ditto.
New Testament history , Acts--Revelation does NOT support your distorted, abstract view of Joel 's prophecy in Acts 2 nor Peter's reiteration of Joel's fotetelling. Sorry, milady, nowhere.

if you say so...........Peter shouldn't have said THIS IS THAT spoken by the prophet Joel, then proceeded to QUOTE Joel verbatim.

the devout JEWS in Jerusalem to whom the PROMISE went on Pentecost didn't dream dreams (Peter certainly didn't have a vision of the Mystery of the inclusion of the Gentiles); nobody miraculous prophesied about the Wonderful Works of God, etc.

i guess we read different Bibles.

 

[notuptome]

if you say so...........Peter shouldn't have said THIS IS THAT spoken by the prophet Joel, then proceeded to QUOTE Joel verbatim.

the devout JEWS in Jerusalem to whom the PROMISE went on Pentecost didn't dream dreams (Peter certainly didn't have a vision of the Mystery of the inclusion of the Gentiles); nobody miraculous prophesied about the Wonderful Works of God, etc.

i guess we read different Bibles.

Peter certainly confirmed that the pouring out of God's Spirit was present at Pentacost. The only things not in evidence that are part of Joel's prophecy would be the signs in the heavens. Joel 2:30-31 These are reserved for the second advent.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[zone]

New Testament history , Acts--Revelation does NOT support your distorted, abstract view of Joel 's prophecy in Acts 2 nor Peter's reiteration of Joel's fotetelling. Sorry, milady, nowhere.

post on the Book of Revelation then.
tell me about distortions.

what did i get wrong green.
you`re certain that nowhere in scripture is Acts 2 said to be a fulfillment of Joel, and Revelation doesn`t support the fulfillment.

please document what i got wrong

 

[homwardbound]

JOEL

prophet to the ISRAELITES.

can anyone else see this?

what is wrong?

FULFILLED.

they said the LAST DAYS WERE THE FIRST ADVENT.

last days of the Old Covenant....transition to NEW.

is this really THAT HARD?

is Peter lying?

Zone are you filled by God's Holy Spirit?
You claim belief in Christ yes?
So please tell us all here who Christ is, in your own words?
I have asked you before and you have not answered, you have said you are not filled with the Holy Ghost, led to this.
And so I asked you directly and I have not gotten an answer can you please answer?

 

[homwardbound]

if you say so...........Peter shouldn't have said THIS IS THAT spoken by the prophet Joel, then proceeded to QUOTE Joel verbatim.

the devout JEWS in Jerusalem to whom the PROMISE went on Pentecost didn't dream dreams (Peter certainly didn't have a vision of the Mystery of the inclusion of the Gentiles); nobody miraculous prophesied about the Wonderful Works of God, etc.

i guess we read different Bibles.

What Acts 10 peter dreamed, or what ever way one wants to put it three times God telling him that all things are clean and not to call anything unclean that God has cleaned, and Peter went and preached to the Gentiles and the Holy Ghost came upon them. By Law Peter was not even allowed in a Gentile home.
[h=3]Acts 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
[SUP]37 [/SUP]That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

 

[zone]

Zone are you filled by God's Holy Spirit?
You claim belief in Christ yes?
So please tell us all here who Christ is, in your own words?
I have asked you before and you have not answered, you have said you are not filled with the Holy Ghost, led to this.
And so I asked you directly and I have not gotten an answer can you please answer?

please get the post where i said that.

 

[zone]

What Acts 10 peter dreamed, or what ever way one wants to put it three times God telling him that all things are clean and not to call anything unclean that God has cleaned, and Peter went and preached to the Gentiles and the Holy Ghost came upon them. By Law Peter was not even allowed in a Gentile home.
[h=3]Acts 10[/h]King James Version (KJV)

10 There was a certain man in Caesarea called Cornelius, a centurion of the band called the Italian band,
[SUP]2 [/SUP]A devout man, and one that feared God with all his house, which gave much alms to the people, and prayed to God alway.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]He saw in a vision evidently about the ninth hour of the day an angel of God coming in to him, and saying unto him, Cornelius.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And when he looked on him, he was afraid, and said, What is it, Lord? And he said unto him, Thy prayers and thine alms are come up for a memorial before God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And now send men to Joppa, and call for one Simon, whose surname is Peter:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]He lodgeth with one Simon a tanner, whose house is by the sea side: he shall tell thee what thou oughtest to do.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when the angel which spake unto Cornelius was departed, he called two of his household servants, and a devout soldier of them that waited on him continually;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And when he had declared all these things unto them, he sent them to Joppa.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?
[SUP]22 [/SUP]And they said, Cornelius the centurion, a just man, and one that feareth God, and of good report among all the nation of the Jews, was warned from God by an holy angel to send for thee into his house, and to hear words of thee.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Then called he them in, and lodged them. And on the morrow Peter went away with them, and certain brethren from Joppa accompanied him.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]And the morrow after they entered into Caesarea. And Cornelius waited for them, and he had called together his kinsmen and near friends.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And as he talked with him, he went in, and found many that were come together.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
[SUP]30 [/SUP]And Cornelius said, Four days ago I was fasting until this hour; and at the ninth hour I prayed in my house, and, behold, a man stood before me in bright clothing,
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And said, Cornelius, thy prayer is heard, and thine alms are had in remembrance in the sight of God.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]Send therefore to Joppa, and call hither Simon, whose surname is Peter; he is lodged in the house of one Simon a tanner by the sea side: who, when he cometh, shall speak unto thee.
[SUP]33 [/SUP]Immediately therefore I sent to thee; and thou hast well done that thou art come. Now therefore are we all here present before God, to hear all things that are commanded thee of God.
[SUP]34 [/SUP]Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
[SUP]35 [/SUP]But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
[SUP]36 [/SUP]The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all
[SUP]37 [/SUP]That word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;
[SUP]38 [/SUP]How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:
[SUP]40 [/SUP]Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;
[SUP]41 [/SUP]Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.
[SUP]42 [/SUP]And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.
[SUP]43 [/SUP]To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
[SUP]44 [/SUP]While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
[SUP]45 [/SUP]And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,
[SUP]47 [/SUP]Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

so, did The Holy Spirit fall on the Israelites in Jerusalem (back in the Land, restored) JUST AS GOD`S PROPHETS IN TIMES PAST has prophesied.

did they dream dreams see visions and prophesy.....just as God through Joel said they would.

did they receive the promise of the Father exactly as Jesus said they would.

or not.

....

do you understand what Paul is saying here:


Galatians 3:14
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

please just look at this passage.
actually i will start a new thread.

 

[homwardbound]

post on the Book of Revelation then.
tell me about distortions.

what did i get wrong green.
you`re certain that nowhere in scripture is Acts 2 said to be a fulfillment of Joel, and Revelation doesn`t support the fulfillment.

please document what i got wrong

It states fulfillment but not that after came to pass that it over, Show us where it states that indwelling of the Holly Ghost is over.
That once we believe that we are not sealed with the Holy Ghost of promise?
Ephesians 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Looks like from scripture that the Spirit of God still indwells us the ones that believe, that God accepts, knowing ones motive(s) as God knows all, and I trust God. God came in the flesh here on earth, went to the cross through his Son Jesus, who by his death took away the sin of the world from God the Father's vantage point so that Father could not see sin in us those that believe and raise us to the new life that he came to give us, a fulfilled life in the Spirit of God proven by the resurrected Christ
John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
1 Corinthians 15:10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and his grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom, but by the grace of God, we have had our conversation in the world, and more abundantly to you-ward.

Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I found out I do speak in tongues, and it so happens it is English, that you understand
Love you deeply Zone
2 Corinthians 2:4 For out of much affliction and anguish of heart I wrote unto you with many tears; not that ye should be grieved, but that ye might know the love which I have more abundantly unto you.

 

[homwardbound]

please get the post where i said that.

I am sorry I am not going backwards, I asked then as I have asked you many things that you have never answered and I do not think that you missed them all.
So let us make this easy if you will
Who exactly is Christ to you?
Did Christ walk this earth in the flesh?
Was Christ born f the Virgin Mary?
Why did he go to the cross and die when he did not have to?
Thanks Zone, just want to know for sure who you are. No judgment we are all free to believe how we want to, yet no one has to live like a refugee
Love you

 

[peacefulbeliever]

if you say so...........Peter shouldn't have said THIS IS THAT spoken by the prophet Joel, then proceeded to QUOTE Joel verbatim.

the devout JEWS in Jerusalem to whom the PROMISE went on Pentecost didn't dream dreams (Peter certainly didn't have a vision of the Mystery of the inclusion of the Gentiles); nobody miraculous prophesied about the Wonderful Works of God, etc.

i guess we read different Bibles.

I think Peter did have a vision concerning the inclusion of the Gentiles:

About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. He became hungry and wanted something to eat and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. It contained all kinds of four footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. Then a voice told him, "Get up Peter. Kill and eat." Surely not, Lord! Peter replied. I have never eaten anything impure or unclean. The voice spoke to him a second time, Do not call anything impure that God has made clean. This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven. While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision, the men sent by Cornelius found out where Simon's house was and stopped at the gate. . . . Then Peter began to speak: I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every nation the one who fears him and does what is right. . . .While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the holy spirit had been poured out even on Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. . . . So if God gave them the same gift he gave us who believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I to think that I could stand in God's way? . . .So then, even to the Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.


Another thing that has been "niggling" at me? Is everything on the internet truth? Gotta run, gotta date with a French model. . .Bon Jour (jk. . couldn't resist!)

 

[homwardbound]

so, did The Holy Spirit fall on the Israelites in Jerusalem (back in the Land, restored) JUST AS GOD`S PROPHETS IN TIMES PAST has prophesied.

did they dream dreams see visions and prophesy.....just as God through Joel said they would.

did they receive the promise of the Father exactly as Jesus said they would.

or not.

....

do you understand what Paul is saying here:


Galatians 3:14
He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

please just look at this passage.
actually i will start a new thread.

The bottom line of the promise from Father is to be born again here and now and that is what happened from Pentecost on to this very day
Christ came to give us life. So what life did he come to give us? Spirit or flesh?
So the gifts the indwelling have never stopped from the first day of Pentecost and John the Baptists testimony is filled about Christ baptizing with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Water Baptism which this is not about here is over and Spirit Baptism has taken it's place, by the resurrected Christ, born again, and born again we have all we need for life and Godliness
God goes on forever, and so does any gift God desires to give. God is not dead, God is alive and came to give us life through Christ and give this life more abundantly. Do you think that it is over as you continue to post?
Is this not what the devil came to do, steal, kill, and destroy life hmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the devil has been Judged and defeated by the cross of Christ a toothless tiger roaming the earth, taking away from others as you keep posting.
You can continue to believe as you wish and so can the others as well, out of the Love of God poured on our hearts can we not disagree to agree and let each of us grow and allow God to give the increase.
I do understand your concern for those that fake gifts, yet God's gifts are still real are they not and gives them according to God's will yes or no? This is not about being fake it is about whether or not God will to this day use God's gifts as God wills?

 

[GreenNnice]

post on the Book of Revelation then.
tell me about distortions.

what did i get wrong green.
you`re certain that nowhere in scripture is Acts 2 said to be a fulfillment of Joel, and Revelation doesn`t support the fulfillment.

please document what i got wrong

1 Peter:
The end of all things is near. Therefore be alert and of sober mind so that you may pray. 8Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins. 9Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling. 10Each of you should use whatever gift you have received to serve others, as faithful stewards of God’s grace in its various forms. 11If anyone speaks, they should do so as one who speaks the very words of God. If anyone serves, they should do so with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

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The 'last days' came upon Peter and upon those on the Day of Pentecost, 'Spirit poured out on them there,' as uptoHIm said, but, there is MORE to pass still, 'upon ALL flesh,' still to PASS, ohzone, Those 'last days' prophecies are still on us today, as I said, sons and daughters have not prophesied, nor, old men dream dreams, young men see visions. THESE LAST DAYS EVENTS WILL BE CONCRETE AND NOT ABSTRACT and will further fulfill end times prophecy, in clues given before Christ comes again. But yes, in one of THESE 'last days' one day of 'them' THE END shall surely come to pass. Right now, all kinds of things are happening in the world, and, God's Spirit is really on the move now in people around the world, signaling THE END nearer, but, it's not hear yet, is it ?

The Day of Pentecost was the beginning of the Promise, NOT just one day where tongues were spoken and 3000 people accepted Christ, it was a burgeoning, monumental, earmarked, christening EVENT that marked the world over, which, albeit, was small back then compared to now, but, it marked the beginning of men AND WOMEN going out and USING their spiritual gifts , ALL of them, tongues, prophesying, healings, all KINDS of miracles (through God) that go on even as I AM speaking now, done, faith-fully, as He leads.

The Lord leads, milady, did back in Peter's time, in Noah's time, in David's time, and, in OUR time, the end is coming, much has HAPPENED by His divine power to empower us to do His will in bringing on the end of all things coming one day to all people ,where 'judgment' will rule the day and then life evermore with or without Jesus. This is Scripture and these are the final ACTS to life here on Earth Time then to be either thrown into Lake Of Fire, burning in ceaseless torment forever and ever, or be with Jesus on a new Earth forevermore.

 

[Abiding]

was there a "lasts days" for Israel as a chosen priesthood and the Old Covenant as prophecied
many many times? If so when was that?

"all flesh" cant be "all" certainly unbelievers dont have the Spirit poured out on them..
Just saying there are some distinctions here that should not be overlooked.