Atheists, can you explain this?

[danschance]

Here is a youtube video of a boy who recovered from a traumatic encounter with a lawn mower. The doctor claims he healed in ways that are impossible. The boy credits Jesus for his healing.

[video=youtube;fhEZBfTnZRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEZBfTnZRk[/video]

 

[basebool]

Ill break it down for you the best that i understood from this video.

- he suffered major bone and vein damage. However, was fortune enough to not get his critical arteries severed: that would have been severe damage to his circulatory system if not treated quickly.

- first responders said he had a certain bone condition and doctors couldn't find it. All i can say to that is first responders are not doctors.

- the kid was under heavy medication and it's perfectly plausable for a hallucinatory figure of jesus appeared to him. In fact it's pretty common with heavy drug intake (not jesus specifically)

- worst case scenerio was he lost his arm. I think that really blows the whole severity out of this video to be honest. With some other cases of jesus saving someone, it was life and death. With this, it was arm and no arm. Not something i would consider seriously

- seemed like the surgeons did good work to repair the veins and ligaments together. That isn't an easy job and i doubt the boy would still have arms if it wasn't for them.

The reasons i listed are purely why i don't think this video means anything, happy to hear a response from you about it

 

[danschance]

1) He had a dozen broken bones, or more.
2) Severed artery
3) Severed ulna nerve.
4) Massive tissue loss including muscles and tendons that allow fingers to bend and straighten. The doctor concluded the damage was not repairable. The doctor figured she would have to take tissues from other parts of the body.
5) The doctor did not think he could operate his fingers because the muscles were not attached. When the cast came off he could.
6) Initially the doctor figured he would need to amputate both forearms. Another doctor, later on concluded Bret was doing things he should not be able to do and considered the recovery to be "miraculous".
7) Multiple bone fragments were found near the scene of the accident. Yet his bones grew together in ways that are impossible.
8) The severed ulna nerve grew back together and he gradually recovered sensation.
9) The end of the video shows Bret climbing a tree, playing catch, using a hammer and other tools.

So how do you explain sections of bone suddenly growing, nerves that attach themselves and muscle & tendon attaching by themselves to make the fingers operate?

 

[basebool]

1) He had a dozen broken bones, or more.
2) Severed artery
3) Severed ulna nerve.
4) Massive tissue loss including muscles and tendons that allow fingers to bend and straighten. The doctor concluded the damage was not repairable. The doctor figured she would have to take tissues from other parts of the body.
5) The doctor did not think he could operate his fingers because the muscles were not attached. When the cast came off he could.
6) Initially the doctor figured he would need to amputate both forearms. Another doctor, later on concluded Bret was doing things he should not be able to do and considered the recovery to be "miraculous".
7) Multiple bone fragments were found near the scene of the accident. Yet his bones grew together in ways that are impossible.
8) The severed ulna nerve grew back together and he gradually recovered sensation.
9) The end of the video shows Bret climbing a tree, playing catch, using a hammer and other tools.

So how do you explain sections of bone suddenly growing, nerves that attach themselves and muscle & tendon attaching by themselves to make the fingers operate?

Well for the tendons, even if seperated, were close enough that with a cast can allow to reattatch together naturally. Same goes with the nerves.

With the bone fragments, a child has more bones then an adult because an adult has those bones slowly connect together and that's how bones grow with aging (then quiver at a certain age). This means that even if the bone had fragmented, wasn't as bad of an impact then what would have been on an adult when it comes to the bone reattatching. Obviously the child takes more damage then a child, but with bone structure, they're more "flexible".

I'd also like to point out with this kind of surgery, there is normally a recovery period, followed by many weeks of therapy and pain medication. That video was probably posted after a bit of time from the accident. If he was using tools the day he came out of the hospital, then that would be weird.

Also i would say the doctor initially misdiagnosed him as they thought he was worse then how he really was and was why they were shocked when he was doing things that were "impossible".

And before you respond, i'd just advise you that not knowing how he recovered from this supposed "impossible situation" should not be equated to a miracle without a thorough investigation. If they conclude, and i mean more then one doctor, that it really is impossible for this to happen, then you can further investigate on the reason for it. You're creating an srguement from ignorance when you don't know of any other way he could have recovered, therefore god. Atheists don't even need to look at this case because there have been thousands like this and it's the same "impossible claims" as the next.

Now having said that, i await your response

 

[danschance]

Well for the tendons, even if seperated, were close enough that with a cast can allow to reattatch together naturally. Same goes with the nerves.

With the bone fragments, a child has more bones then an adult because an adult has those bones slowly connect together and that's how bones grow with aging (then quiver at a certain age). This means that even if the bone had fragmented, wasn't as bad of an impact then what would have been on an adult when it comes to the bone reattatching. Obviously the child takes more damage then a child, but with bone structure, they're more "flexible".

I'd also like to point out with this kind of surgery, there is normally a recovery period, followed by many weeks of therapy and pain medication. That video was probably posted after a bit of time from the accident. If he was using tools the day he came out of the hospital, then that would be weird.

Also i would say the doctor initially misdiagnosed him as they thought he was worse then how he really was and was why they were shocked when he was doing things that were "impossible".

And before you respond, i'd just advise you that not knowing how he recovered from this supposed "impossible situation" should not be equated to a miracle without a thorough investigation. If they conclude, and i mean more then one doctor, that it really is impossible for this to happen, then you can further investigate on the reason for it. You're creating an srguement from ignorance when you don't know of any other way he could have recovered, therefore god. Atheists don't even need to look at this case because there have been thousands like this and it's the same "impossible claims" as the next.

Now having said that, i await your response

Now that is funny.

You claim tendons even when severed can naturally heal?

The tendons in the foot are highly complex and intricate. If any tendons break, the healing process is long and painful, not to mention the intricacy of the repairing (if fully severed) process. Most people who do not receive medical attention within the first 48 hours of the injury will suffer from severe swelling, pain, and an on-fire feeling where the injury occurred. They are very painful when they are inflamed or not in use.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon#Healing

The facts speak for themselves. Severed tendons require medical attention.

With the bone fragments, a child has more bones then an adult because an adult has those bones slowly connect together and that's how bones grow with aging (then quiver at a certain age). This means that even if the bone had fragmented, wasn't as bad of an impact then what would have been on an adult when it comes to the bone reattatching. Obviously the child takes more damage then a child, but with bone structure, they're more "flexible".

Seriously, I think this topic is far above your knowledge of the body. Chunks (plural) of bone were left out of the healing process. I really do not think you are equipped to answer this.

 

[basebool]

Now that is funny.

You claim tendons even when severed can naturally heal?

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendon#Healing

The facts speak for themselves. Severed tendons require medical attention.



Seriously, I think this topic is far above your knowledge of the body. Chunks (plural) of bone were left out of the healing process. I really do not think you are equipped to answer this.

You never said chunks of bone and i doubt you are equiped to say this is a miracle.

The tendons must not have been fully severed and still had some bonding together for it to heal back. I know what you're saying that fully severed tendons can't recover without medical help, but first off, i thought the surgeons already corrected this within the first 48 and 2, again i restate their original disgnoses could have been wrong.

And the bones never grew back from the missing pieces if that's what you're saying, i know that. I was stating a child doesn't have fully developed bone structure and it's plausible he didn't require those bone fragments to have a functional arm (or whichever piece you refer to).

 

[IronChariots]

As soon an an amputee grows a limb back then you might have something.
Also, if a higher power was looking out for him why did the accident
happen in the first place? You count the hits and ignore the misses.

 

[Mo0448]

Its not about seeing limbs grow back for you to believe in the Lord and have faith. Signs are everywhere whether or not you see or believe them is a completely different matter. Jesus is still softly and tenderly calling . I pray that he make his presence known to all that are curious and want to see that God is there, so that you won't need to see someone else's miracle but it will be a miracle in your own lives.

God Bless!

 

[IronChariots]

I think the doctors, medical procedures, and science had a lot to do with it.

 

[Shiloah]

Here is a youtube video of a boy who recovered from a traumatic encounter with a lawn mower. The doctor claims he healed in ways that are impossible. The boy credits Jesus for his healing.

[video=youtube;fhEZBfTnZRk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhEZBfTnZRk[/video]

What an inspiring video, danschance. *Sniff* Quite a lesson too. It seems God works through prayer along with doctors and whoever else may be involved at this time in history. The doctor clearly stated she would call it a miraculous recovery. It's interesting to observe that some of the first reactions in here are atheists trying to refute it, rather than to look beyond their prejudice towards that which they cannot explain. I'm not going to bother pointing those things out. If they couldn't see it in that video, neither will they hear me when I point it out. I could just so feel that father and mother's experience as well as all their friends rising up to pray for this child. Just wonderful.

 

[Yahwhat]

This is proof of Jesus! Next time something like this happens don't even go to the doctor.
Just pray and have faith!

 

[Mo0448]

This is proof of Jesus! Next time something like this happens don't even go to the doctor.
Just pray and have faith!

Now you're just stirring the pot dude. While the threat title may be calling out 'atheists' the intention at heart is good; to see a miraculous healing! Can't we all agree that it is great to see this young child will have a great recovery?

 

[basebool]

Now you're just stirring the pot dude. While the threat title may be calling out 'atheists' the intention at heart is good; to see a miraculous healing! Can't we all agree that it is great to see this young child will have a great recovery?

He'a saying its not miraculous, it's medical science

 

[megaman125]

As soon an an amputee grows a limb back then you might have something.
Also, if a higher power was looking out for him why did the accident
happen in the first place? You count the hits and ignore the misses.

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” Having said these things, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
John 9:1-7

 

[megaman125]

Here's another video that shows the power of Jesus.

[video=youtube;Cyr15Hh9tEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyr15Hh9tEU[/video]

 

[danschance]

You never said chunks of bone and i doubt you are equiped to say this is a miracle.

The tendons must not have been fully severed and still had some bonding together for it to heal back. I know what you're saying that fully severed tendons can't recover without medical help, but first off, i thought the surgeons already corrected this within the first 48 and 2, again i restate their original disgnoses could have been wrong.

And the bones never grew back from the missing pieces if that's what you're saying, i know that. I was stating a child doesn't have fully developed bone structure and it's plausible he didn't require those bone fragments to have a functional arm (or whichever piece you refer to).

Watch the video again. I say "again", because you claimed you watched it but did not hear about details from the Doctor. You will hear and see everything I have said. By the way what makes you think children "have more bones"? Are you talking about bones that later fuse or do you actually claim kids have extra ribs or something like that?

 

[IronChariots]

As he passed by, he saw a man blind from birth. And his disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?” Jesus answered, “It was not that this man sinned, or his parents, but that the works of God might be displayed in him. We must work the works of him who sent me while it is day; night is coming, when no one can work. As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.” Having said these things, he spat on the ground and made mud with the saliva. Then he anointed the man’s eyes with the mud and said to him, “Go, wash in the pool of Siloam” (which means Sent). So he went and washed and came back seeing.
John 9:1-7

John 8:3-11
And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
[SUP]4 [/SUP]They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?
[SUP]11 [/SUP]She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

The problem, is that this story was not in any of the early versions of John! “In fact, it was not originally part of any of the Gospels. It was added by later scribes”
Source: Bart Ehrman 2005. Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why. New York: HarperCollins Publishers.

How do we know if John 9:1-7 actually happened or was a later insertion or......?

 

[megaman125]

Source: Bart Ehrman 2005.

Lol. So now anti-Christians are the only valid source of info on wether or not to trust the Bible. Funny how you claim part of the Bible (not even the part I quoted) was later made up, and then your source for that is from 2005.

 

[basebool]

Here's another video that shows the power of Jesus.

[video=youtube;Cyr15Hh9tEU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cyr15Hh9tEU[/video]

She cud have said in the name of googley boogley. Not like jesus stopped him, he didn't intend on harming anyone and when he saw that he had to harm her to get the money, he backed down. You really dont need to equate everything to jesus' doing

 

[megaman125]

She cud have said in the name of googley boogley. Not like jesus stopped him, he didn't intend on harming anyone and when he saw that he had to harm her to get the money, he backed down. You really dont need to equate everything to jesus' doing

Lol, look at the desperate atheist squirming to deny. Yep, just keep squirming.