Keep The Commandments

[Shiloah]

lol. Its all good.

Just remember this. eternal life is eternal. not conditional. if God wanted us to know it was conditional, he would have called it conditional. or if anything, just life.

He said we can know we have it.. not might have it.

We can never earn gods love, or his forgiveness.. Thus how can we lose it (if we could never earn it to begin with)

this is the part I will never understand why people believe eternal security is no security at all.

Well, I actually think we agree if we look at it from an angle I've heard mentioned. That angle says that those that fall away never were saved, and those that don't obviously were saved. In that case though, I can't help but wonder if we're actually not "born again" until we die. I've heard that concept offered too. That seems pretty radical though as well. lol. But I think Jesus said, "those that endure to the end will be saved," so that would fit. Additionally, I'll also say I don't believe anyone that wants to stay with Christ will ever be turned away. I think only those that choose to leave Him or consciously elect to continue in sin will not be saved. But there again, you could say such people never were saved.

 

[Laodicea]

I believe as you stated earlier. Anyone born of God through , And would never even think of departing from the faith to the point they stop believing.

I believe as you stated earlier. Anyone born of God through true faith will obey the commands, And would never even think of departing from the faith to the point they stop believing.
That anyone who claims to have faith that one day decides it was all a lie, and there is no God was never saved, As John said, "they departed from us, for THEY WERE NEVER OF US, for if THEY WERE OF US, they NEVER WOULD HAVE LEFT.

I have done things, I have fallen, even been a prodigal Child. But I never stopped believing. And my prodigal life was continually full of Guilt, Of Chastening, and of misery.. Which according the the word of God.. WILL HAPPEN.

It is not a free will thing, like someone could leave.

it is a true repentance and true faith thing.

It is also the omniscience of God thing.. God is NOT GOING to GIVE someone he KNOWS will one day chose to leave and give God the finger his gift of eternal life, KNOWING one day he will have to take it back. making it NOT eternal life at all.

God knew us before we were born, He predestined us before time began.. to be his sons..Based on his foreknowledge.. If he could know who we were before creation. He most definately can know us before he gives us his gift..

don't you agree??

So you believe in works? You believe in keeping all God's commands?

 

[know1]

I'm sorry, I definitely see this as addressing individuals. Do you think they'd be cut off as a group? That wouldn't make sense at all. He's telling them to make sure to continue in their faith or belief as that is the very reason the Jews (who are the natural branches) were originally cut away. How again, could that possibly be talking about the gentiles in general? If you'll notice, he comes back around and says, after he's said the Jews were cut off, to not boast against the branches... "for if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.

I just don't see how that last verse can be seen as anything else but a warning that if you don't stand, you will be cut off. And again, that obviously could not be referring to a group of gentiles, let alone, the whole bunch. God judges on an individual basis.

If you don't mind me putting my two cents in here, I have something to say on this matter.
If you look in the old testament when one was 'cut off', it was from living in this natural or physically world.
Isa_53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Jer_11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
It is similar to what Jesus said to His disciples.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away [KILLS THEM PHYSICALLY OR SHORTENS THEIR LIFE SPAN ON EARTH]: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Many verses such as the ones you posted are taken out of context, mostly due to ignorance. When one does not obey the commandments of God, they are removed from the land of the living, which IS a result of a curse from the law because of their sin.

 

[RedTent]

So you believe in works? You believe in keeping all God's commands?

I for one do. Christ believed in keeping them that is good enough for me.
(Mat 19:17)
"Why do you ask Me about what is good?"
He said to him. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments."

 

[JaumeJ]

In my post, 684, all I have posted are the words of Yeshua, what He teaches. If you are saying I should ignore His teachings, I am afraid there is something very wrong with your understanding of obedience and grace. Grace is never to be taken as license. If you do not believe Yeshua, please, at least believe the teachings of Paul on law and license. My post is not I teaching it is Yeshua. Now, begin again, thank you.

If you are going to try to be saved by obeying the commands, and preach salvation is by keeping Gods commands. Or in order to keep salvation you MUST keep Gods commands, (Which I might add I hear alot in here) Then you MUST teach it Gods way.

1. Sinless perfection is the standard of the law. It MUST be adhered to in order to be saved eternally by obeying Gods commands. Anything short would be missing the mark (falling Short) of the letter of the law. And require condemnation.

2. According to Scripture. No man has met this just requirement but one, That would be Christ. For ALL have sinned and fall short (literally in the greek "missed the mark") of the Glory (just requirement or standard) of God.

3. Thus. For those who are preaching we MUST obey God. to be saved, you are teaching that they must do something which according to Scripture WE HAVE ALREADY FAILED.

This is why when people come preaching OBEY OBEY OBEY, I ask. Are you perfect (the just requirement) and why you think you are. when scripture teaches there is only one perfect. Only one who fulfilled the just requirement of the law.

The law states, this is the requirement (obey these commands (including the ten commands) the law states, if we break this, The only way sin can be forgiven (the punishment of sin) is death (or the shedding of blood)

Thus the law is the schoolmaster.

1. The law shows us our sin, we failed to live up to the standard.
2. The law shows us how we were redeemed (the shedding of blood, of Christ)


thus, when we REPENT by admiting BOTH of these things (we are sinners, And only By the shed blood of Christ can we be redeemed) The law is fulfilled in us. It did its Job, It exposed in our souls we are sinners, And led us to Christ, the lamb of God who shed his blood. so we who trust him will NEVER PERISH but have eternal life.

Unless you believe never means something other than never. They you must (if you have true faith and a true trust in God) acknowledge, Those who trust Christ.

1. Have truly repented
2. Have the law fulfilled in them, as in they trust what it says
3. Have been made alive, who were dead in tresspasses and sins
4. Have been given eternal life, and will NEVER PERISH (lose salvation or die spiritually again)
5. Have been given the promise of God that nothing can take us from his love.

If one does not believe ALL of these things, they evidently have not repented. But I would say, they do not have saving faith.

 

[JaumeJ]

Who here has stated or taught to be saved one must earn it by obeying the commandments? Not I!

See if you can mess this up again: Anyone who is saved and experienced the in-filling of the Holy Spirit is so grateful to Yeshua that the idea of disobeying Him is repugnant, blasphemous.

If you wish to say acting in loving gratitude is tantamount to "earning" salvation, you will no matter how many times you are set straight. After all you have already said the post with Christ's teachings on obeying the commandments were I saying I am "earning" salvation instead of commenting on what Christ was teaching.

There is nothing unloving about the Ten Commandments, and there is nothing anti-Christ in doing our best to observe them faithfully. Do not vote on it with other pharisees, read what I posted earlier from the teaching directly from Yeshua, Christ, or at least read the Word.
Please do not continue twisting people's posts, althugh this seems to be the tonic of your understanding.

 

[Shiloah]

If you don't mind me putting my two cents in here, I have something to say on this matter.
If you look in the old testament when one was 'cut off', it was from living in this natural or physically world.
Isa_53:8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
Jer_11:19 But I was like a lamb or an ox that is brought to the slaughter; and I knew not that they had devised devices against me, saying, Let us destroy the tree with the fruit thereof, and let us cut him off from the land of the living, that his name may be no more remembered.
It is similar to what Jesus said to His disciples.
Joh 15:2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away [KILLS THEM PHYSICALLY OR SHORTENS THEIR LIFE SPAN ON EARTH]: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
Many verses such as the ones you posted are taken out of context, mostly due to ignorance. When one does not obey the commandments of God, they are removed from the land of the living, which IS a result of a curse from the law because of their sin.

Being cut off from the land of the living is very different than being "cut off." The contexts were obviously talking about entirely different topics as well. You're thinking Paul is speaking of God literally taking their lives? I suppose at some point in time, they will die. True. But Paul was talking about cut off from the body of Christ.

 

[JaumeJ]

If my previous post sounds a bit harsh, it is due to the condemnation of others I see in declarations of one being more righteous than the next. I fo not apologize for believing people are saved by the Blood of Yeshua.

 

[vic1980]

Sure I can see the difference. When we become mature, we no longer need a schoolmaster because we have the capability to go to school ourselves, comparing Spiritual with Spiritual. If we deny ourselves these things written for our edification we fail to show ourselves approved unto God.
2 Timothy 2:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Of these things put them in remembrance, charging them before the Lord that they strive not about words to no profit, but to the subverting of the hearers.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

One must understand that the writers of the Old Testament as we know it today, didn't have the benefit of the New Testament as we know it today. So knowing that there were many quotes by the apostles, and Jesus Himself, from the Old Testament, it would stand to reason that the Old Testament is as relative today as it was then. It has a purpose equally as important today as then.
The Pharisees didn't know the Mosaic law either because they had distorted it so badly. Jesus called them on it.
John 5:44-47 (KJV)
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

The way I see it, if we are to continue in the truth, the studying, and understanding of scripture will be unceasing to those who truly believe. That includes the law so we can continue to see how far we fall short even after being born again. Even though we are not under the law anymore, like David, because of his faith, we should consider it equally as important as he did, being a man after Gods own heart.

Psalm 1:1-3 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But his delight is in the law of the LORD; and in his law doth he meditate day and night.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
Isaiah 66:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For all those things hath mine hand made, and all those things have been, saith the LORD: but to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.

So I submit to you, my friend, whose hand made these things? The following scripture says Jesus did.
Colossians 1:15-18 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

So one must understand that our Savior Jesus Christ gave Moses the law on Mount Sinai. For me to consider that is extremely serious but blessed. May God bless you with this information.

I wonder why people act as the pharisees high priest in this age tearing there outer garments when some talks about the Law all of a sudden ? I see nothing wrong with the law, the Law is Good , we are saved by grace through faith, in Jesus Christ

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

But to keep them all one must have this:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This is how, you will know you are abideth in him

Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Jesus said Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

God bless you all in Jesus Christ mighty name

 

[just-me]

I wonder why people act as the pharisees high priest in this age tearing there outer garments when some talks about the Law all of a sudden ? I see nothing wrong with the law, the Law is Good , we are saved by grace through faith, in Jesus Christ

Hebrews 5:9 And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

Proverbs 6:23 For the commandment is a lamp; and the law is light; and reproofs of instruction are the way of life:

Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

But to keep them all one must have this:

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

Galatians 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

This is how, you will know you are abideth in him

Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit

Galatians 5:26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.

Galatians 6:2 Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.

Jesus said Matthew 11:30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light

God bless you all in Jesus Christ mighty name

Well done, well done!!!! The law is good and Spiritual. Those of us who condemn the law as irrelevant don't want to be reminded that we all fall short I have come to believe. Every day we should be reminded that we need Jesus Christ’s sacrifice, and statutes. Yes we are saved by grace apart from the law, but according to the Word of God, what we classify as Old, is not worn out. If we are born again, we really do understand that which reflects back to us our iniquitous nature, for we are born into sin. We must never forget, and the law reminds those of us the greatness of salvation through Christ Jesus.

Romans 7:24-25 (KJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
James 1:25 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Well done, well done!!!! The law is good and Spiritual. Those of us who condemn the law as irrelevant don't want to be reminded that we all fall short I have come to believe. Every day we should be reminded that we need Jesus Christ’s sacrifice, and statutes. Yes we are saved by grace apart from the law, but according to the Word of God, what we classify as Old, is not worn out. If we are born again, we really do understand that which reflects back to us our iniquitous nature, for we are born into sin. We must never forget, and the law reminds those of us the greatness of salvation through Christ Jesus.

No one here (that I've witnessed) has condemned the old law as being irrelevant. That is an exaggeration and falsehood fabricated by those who stumble over the old law against those who point out the obvious fact that the old law was only ever capable of pointing us to Christ.

What is irrelevant is the teaching that one must observe the old law to find life. The old law is holy and good, but it is also obsolete; it has served it's purpose. The new witness of righteousness is the holy spirit in the heart. Jesus didn't say that people would be condemned for not observing the old law, but he did say that they would be condemned for not believing into him, the light. Men are condemned because they love darkness more than light. Light (the witness of the holy spirit in our hearts) is what now points out our sin nature.

God did not sent his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that disbelieves is condemned already because he hasn't believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation: light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. John 3:17-19
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[JaumeJ]

If you go back and read, you will see no one who walks in grace can ignore the will of the Father as pertaining to His commandments, not all the ceremonial laws which can only be followed if you have the Temple constructed, Levitical priests, and you live in Israel, that is the physical one.

To teach against obeying God's commandments is against the teachings of Yeshua, Himself. If you like reading everything as legalistic. If this is the case, one cannot help but read what you are posting as replacing the commandments of the Father with wanton license in the guise of living under grace. This is not what Jesus Christ teaches.


Mat 5:18
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mat 22:37
Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Mat 22:38
This is the first and great commandment.

Mat 22:39
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Mar 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.

Mar 10:20
And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

Mar 10:21
Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Rev 22:16
I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


　

No one here (that I've witnessed) has condemned the old law as being irrelevant. That is an exaggeration and falsehood fabricated by those who stumble over the old law against those who point out the obvious fact that the old law was only ever capable of pointing us to Christ.

What is irrelevant is the teaching that one must observe the old law to find life. The old law is holy and good, but it is also obsolete; it has served it's purpose. The new witness of righteousness is the holy spirit in the heart. Jesus didn't say that people would be condemned for not observing the old law, but he did say that they would be condemned for not believing into him, the light. Men are condemned because they love darkness more than light. Light (the witness of the holy spirit in our hearts) is what now points out our sin nature.

God did not sent his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world might be saved through him. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that disbelieves is condemned already because he hasn't believed into the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation: light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light because their deeds were evil. John 3:17-19
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[Michael50]

It's obvious to me that the spirit of Satan is at work here. Never in my life have I heard people so hellbent on making Gods' Law void or of no effect.
This scripture is in the Bible for a reason:

"It is time for you to act, O Lord, for they have regarded your law as void."

There are some here that have tried for 2 weeks to tell me and others that we are going to hell because we Obey the Commandments of God the Father & Jesus the Son of the Father.

I have NO DOUBT that the person that has continually put down Gods Law is decieved and under the control of Satan.

Only someone under the control of Satan would tell a Christian that if he keeps keeping the law,, he will be destroyed.

And for 2 weeks all I've heard is that I'm toast.

We know the Bible says Keep Gods Commandments. Yet some teach another doctrine in spite of clear instruction from the Creator.

So,, we can read our Bibles and know we are to Obey God.. Or we can listen to to a tool of Satan,, and dismiss God and His Laws.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, I actually think we agree if we look at it from an angle I've heard mentioned. That angle says that those that fall away never were saved, and those that don't obviously were saved.

we agree, and i think scripture agrees with this.

In that case though, I can't help but wonder if we're actually not "born again" until we die. I've heard that concept offered too. That seems pretty radical though as well. lol.

Yeah, I would not agree with this. Scripure says we have been made alive, who were dead. It says we were (past tense) born again not of flesh and blood etc.. This belief I do not think has much scriptural support if any.

But I think Jesus said, "those that endure to the end will be saved," so that would fit. Additionally, I'll also say I don't believe anyone that wants to stay with Christ will ever be turned away. I think only those that choose to leave Him or consciously elect to continue in sin will not be saved. But there again, you could say such people never were saved.

Endure to the end speaks of end time, right before jesus comes. He is speaking of having their physical lives saved through tribulation. Eternal life is not in context here.

And yes, I would agree and say they were never saved. I think scripture supports this.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

So you believe in works? You believe in keeping all God's commands?

I believe those saved were saved by faith, And they WILL WORK as a result of that salvation through faith(eph 2: 10 with james)

Yes, I do believe we should seek a life in following God. No I do not believe we can ever do this good enough to earn salvation. Thus again my question, if we can never be good enough to earn it, how could we ever be bad enough to unearn it (especially since we were saved when we were at our worst, and considering those truely saved by faith WILL do works. thus they would never get to the point they were before they were saved in the first place.)

 

[eternally-gratefull]

In my post, 684, all I have posted are the words of Yeshua, what He teaches. If you are saying I should ignore His teachings, I am afraid there is something very wrong with your understanding of obedience and grace. Grace is never to be taken as license. If you do not believe Yeshua, please, at least believe the teachings of Paul on law and license. My post is not I teaching it is Yeshua. Now, begin again, thank you.

Your not listening to what we say. We are not claiming faith is a license. People who claim we do are not listening to a thing we say.

We are saying that grace can not be earned by obeying or doing works.. Grace means unmerited, or unearned. How can you earn grace?

 

[Michael50]

Your not listening to what we say. We are not claiming faith is a license. People who claim we do are not listening to a thing we say.

We are saying that grace can not be earned by obeying or doing works.. Grace means unmerited, or unearned. How can you earn grace?

You keep telling people they are attempting to earn grace,,, then you turn around and claim grace cannot be earned!!!

Now if grace can not be earned,, your whole argument falls on it's face,, and has been that way since your opening post.

And you fail to see your ignorance in your whole understanding of Grace,,, If Grace is unmerited favor,,, how is it you keep claiming we are earning it?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It's obvious to me that the spirit of Satan is at work here. Never in my life have I heard people so hellbent on making Gods' Law void or of no effect.

Thats because your not listening to a thing anyone says. No one here is claiming Gods law should be disobeyed. THATS your FAULTY interpretation of what everyone is saying. Because you refuse to listen to them or acknowledge what they say, You twist there words to mean something they NEVER SAID in the first place.

No one here, from what I can see, is teaching licentious behavior, or easy believism. This is what you were taught we believe. And you can't get out from under this to listen to what any of us say!

This scripture is in the Bible for a reason:

"It is time for you to act, O Lord, for they have regarded your law as void."

There are some here that have tried for 2 weeks to tell me and others that we are going to hell because we Obey the Commandments of God the Father & Jesus the Son of the Father.

I have NO DOUBT that the person that has continually put down Gods Law is decieved and under the control of Satan.

Only someone under the control of Satan would tell a Christian that if he keeps keeping the law,, he will be destroyed.

And for 2 weeks all I've heard is that I'm toast.

We know the Bible says Keep Gods Commandments. Yet some teach another doctrine in spite of clear instruction from the Creator.

So,, we can read our Bibles and know we are to Obey God.. Or we can listen to to a tool of Satan,, and dismiss God and His Laws.

Another lie. I am getting a little sick of your false accusations.

We teach that if you are obeying to try to be saved through that obeying, You are adding to the gospel of Grace through faith. You have yet to show proof you do not believe this. So you are judging yourself. it is not us judging you!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You keep telling people they are earning grace,,, and you are as wrong as satan is.

So prove to me your not trying to earn grace!

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

If this is the case, one cannot help but read what you are posting as replacing the commandments of the Father with wanton license in the guise of living under grace. This is not what Jesus Christ teaches.

The ones who read what you have said into what I write are those who stumble at the stumbling stone.