Keep The Commandments

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If Jesus has confirmed to you that we you are to keep the 4th Commandment and you refuse,, Do you suppose God will be mocked and still reward you with eternal Life?
Jesus hasn't confirmed to me that I need to 'keep the 4th commandment' as you interpret it. So, therefore, neither I nor anyone else in a similar position needs to be concerned about what you say.
 
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Where can we find you on the 7th Day Sabbath?
Where can you find me? most of the time on my couch, or out on the water relaxing. Or with my Chrisitan brothers and sisters havig fellowship/. or if need be, helping a brother or sister in need.

How dare you judge me?? You do not know me at all. DO you think you are more righteous than me??

And here you go again, Are you claiming I must obey the sabbath to be saved? What about other sins?? Are you PERFECT OR NOT???
 
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Once more you are putting words and concepts into posts which have more than adequately responded to your odd declarations.

You continually use "we" as the pronoun describing who is purporting these unqualified teachings, unqualified by our Lord, Yeshua, Jesus. Because you freely use the first person plural, you are saying in effect those who do not agree with you are not saved, and not saved people are going to hell, ergo you are saying exactly that. Do not add outright lies to your blatant accusations and condemnation.

Now, once more, I have never stated grace can be earned, it is the free gift by the Blood of Yeshua, the Lamb of Yahweh.

How can anyone truly be seen as grateful for this by the Father if he declares the Blood of the Lamb gives license to sin?

Sin is breaking the law.

All of the law hangs on the two great laws of love, and the prophets.

Are the prophets void because you have license to sin? Of course not, nor are the laws, not the commandments that is.

It is ridiculous on your part and on the part of any others to think that the ceremonial laws, statutes and ordinances are even feasible to be followed in this day and age.

When I speak of obeying the laws, I speak of the commandments of Yahweh, none of which should be a burnden to anyone, yet so many say we cannot follow the Ten.

How is this possible for the new nature of Yeshua we have put on?

These are words of discouragement and failure, and not of the Lord.

Wow. If you do not believe we HAVE to obey to be saved, Then you UNDERSTAND I am not talking to you.. So what is your main issue??
 

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I don't deny any of it. That is a false accusation made against those who realize that our righteousness is not realized through observation of the 10 commandments. Righteousness is a gift within that teaches us which way to go.

What I and others do deny is the need to focus on the 10 commandments. IMO, the people who feel a need to do that are those who don't hear the voice of righteousness in their hearts instructing them how to conduct themselves.
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to HeRoseFromTheDead again.


The Law is Good and Holy, and still teaches Christians about living in righteousness, it teaches wisdom.
there is what Lutherans call a Third use of the Law

1. rule or curb for evil mean; lawbreakers and civil society
2. a mirror; to show us our utter brankruptcy
3. a guide to help us in prayerful sanctification and provides answers for problems in life (i.e.: Proverbs)...we know the Law itself doesn't save or sanctify.

the third use of the law is only for Christians (who are already freely justified by Grace)....epistles, etc.
for CHRISTIAN living....in this life, though we have already been made perfect the day we were justified and seated with Christ.
this use of the Law is for those already saved.
 
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We are judged by the Light we recieve. If Jesus has confirmed to you that we you are to keep the 4th Commandment and you refuse,, Do you suppose God will be mocked and still reward you with eternal Life?
Thanks you just PROVED to everyone here that you believe in a works based Gospel.

Here is the issue with this. Unless YOU ARE PERFECT. you can not claim you are ANY better than the one who may or may not follow the sabbath, unless you can claim you are perfect.
 
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people who have deceived themselves into thinking
they actually 'keep' or live by or obey the Law to God's satisfaction (seamlessly, without a single transgression)
are the ones who have downgraded the Law to the level of their performance.
which by default downgrades the Lord Jesus' perfection and sinlessness.
people who know their hopeless condition under the Law have a very high regard for the Law.
and for Jesus.
Those who say in their hearts 'who will ascend into heaven?' bring Christ down. In other words, those who measure their righteousness by the standard of law dishonor and degrade the sacrifice of Christ.

The righteousness which is of faith speaks in this way: Don't say in your heart, 'Who will ascend into heaven?', which is, to bring Christ down ... Romans 10:6

 
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I don't deny any of it. That is a false accusation made against those who realize that our righteousness is not realized through observation of the 10 commandments. Righteousness is a gift within that teaches us which way to go.

What I and others do deny is the need to focus on the 10 commandments. IMO, the people who feel a need to do that are those who don't hear the voice of righteousness in their hearts instructing them how to conduct themselves.
Amen, it is called the law of faith. I do not need to focus on the ten to be righteous. I focus on faith in God, and in doing so. I WILL follow the ten (as well as the MANY OTHER SINS not incuded in the ten.

Focusing on ten makes is ignore the rest. and gives us a false sense of security that we may be ok with God because we obey him, while ignoring the other sins we commit on a daily basis.

in other words, we excuse our sin, while judging others for their sin. The pharisees tried this.
 
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Can you show us where in scripture this is taught? Many refuse to receive the light because they are evil. Will judgment pass over these people? I don't think so.
Because of a lack of knowledge, My people perish..... God will not destroy those who do not know any better. Would God destroy a person that is mentally challenged? Does he expect the unknowing to know?
Is God Just? Will he destroy a person who is ignorant of the offense he has committed?

Refusing Light is not an excuse. Wanton disreguard is known by God. Those who reject all urgings from the Holy Spirit will eventually be destroyed. Although they may hear the urgings of Gods Holy spirit,, pretty soon it becomes like an alarm clock that keeps being turned off or ignored... Soon, you will no longer hear the alarm ring at all.

What do you think about those people who lived and never knew of God or Jesus? How do you suppose they will be judged? Obviously the Bible says the Gospel is to preached thru-out the world, then the end shall come.. So, it stands to reason that at some point,, men somwhere had no knowledge of Jesus and His Bible, and possibly no knowledge of God either,, at least in the way the Bible teaches us.
 
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Matthew 19:17 KJV
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

John 14:15 KJV
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 15:10 KJV
If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

1 John 2:3 KJV
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

1 John 3:22 KJV
And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.

1 John 5:2 KJV
By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

1 John 5:3 KJV
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Revelation 12:17 KJV
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 14:12 KJV
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

This is overwhelming evidence that the Bible says we are to keep the commandments. To say we do not have to keep the commandments is teaching against the clear word of God. The fact that we are saved by grace through faith does not release us from keeping the law.

Philippians 4:13 KJV
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
John 15:4-5 KJV
(4) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
(5) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Lao, can you truly say you Love the Lord Thy God will ALL your heart mind body soul - with everything in you at all times, above all other things?

the same as Jesus did?

if yes, the others are possible to be fulfilled at all times as well.

in that case. Christ died for no reason.

we might want to look up every passage using this word:

keep my commandments.

what is Jesus actually saying?
if His word is implanted in our hearts through the preaching of His word, and the Spirit (the Trinity) is involved in salvation, is God not able to save to uttermost? will that word implanted in us NOT perform that which God said it would?
 
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people who have deceived themselves into thinking
they actually 'keep' or live by or obey the Law to God's satisfaction (seamlessly, without a single transgression)
are the ones who have downgraded the Law to the level of their performance.

which by default downgrades the Lord Jesus' perfection and sinlessness.

people who know their hopeless condition under the Law have a very high regard for the Law.
and for Jesus.
Amen, they excuse there sin, while we realise every day how much a sinner we really are.. as we learn the real god and his character.. and how totally incapable we are of even getting close to it.
 
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Thanks you just PROVED to everyone here that you believe in a works based Gospel.

Here is the issue with this. Unless YOU ARE PERFECT. you can not claim you are ANY better than the one who may or may not follow the sabbath, unless you can claim you are perfect.
"If ye Love Me, keep My Commandments." My words say I love Jesus,, and my actions prove it.
 

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Where can we find you on the 7th Day Sabbath?
LOL are you for real?

ugh.

jews keep 7th day sabbath.

i guess that's what salvation hinges on.

everybody except 7th day adventists, Hebrew Rootsers, and jews have taken the mark.







O scribes, why you so busy?
 
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We are judged by the Light we recieve. If Jesus has confirmed to you that we you are to keep the 4th Commandment and you refuse,, Do you suppose God will be mocked and still reward you with eternal Life?

If you have been keeping sunday, and that is the day you believe that you should keep,, then God shall judge you according to your heart. But if you know better, and reject the Counsel & Instruction from God concerning His 4th Commandment,, why do you expect Eternal Life and to hear the words, "Well done good and faithful servant, enter into the joy of the Lord."??
Your reply seems to confirm the suspicions raised on this thread that you preach works of the law for salvation.

Clearly under the doctrine you follow, the thief on the cross was truly blessed with a deathbed salvation. That thief didn't have to go through life, like the rest of us, hoping to obey the law perfectly to the end, for salvation's sake.

The doctrine you follow has corrupted your mind from the simplicity that is in Christ.
2Cor 11:3
But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Under grace we see there is no condemnation to them which are in Christ.

But under the doctrine you follow, we see the same old condemnation and death through the law as we saw in the old covenant.

The thief on the cross who called Jesus "Lord" understood the simplicity that is in the gospel of grace.

But the doctrine you follow has turned God's grace into a way to lead you back under the law seeking to be perfected by the flesh.

We cannot mix grace with works of the law.
Rom 11:6
if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.
 
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Jesus hasn't confirmed to me that I need to 'keep the 4th commandment' as you interpret it. So, therefore, neither I nor anyone else in a similar position needs to be concerned about what you say.
Jesus sure has taken an interest in my life,, I can't imagine Him not caring about yours. But,, you have obviously heard of the 7th day Sabbath.. I think we can both agree that you have had some knowledge about it..Have you collected all the data that you could before making a decision,, or did you decide off the top of your head that it don't apply to you?
 
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Saturday Sabbath is not commanded ANYWHERE in God's Final Word, His New Covenant (Testament).

Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

some love to spy out our liberty and drag us away from Grace.

do and don't do...taste not touch not handle not.
it is forbidden for you to carry you mat...or push an elevator button.
 
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Those who reject all urgings from the Holy Spirit will eventually be destroyed.
Hmmm....are you saying that God will not forgive 7x70, even though He said that we should forgive 7x70?
 
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Saturday Sabbath is not commanded ANYWHERE in God's Final Word, His New Covenant (Testament).

Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.

some love to spy out our liberty and drag us away from Grace.

do and don't do...taste not touch not handle not.
it is forbidden for you to carry you mat...or push an elevator button.

I believe the Book of Luke is in the New Testament. I also beleive Jesus is our Example. And Jesus kept the Commandments, And if you read Luke 4:16, you will see that our Example was keeping the Sabbath!

Thus, I do too!
 

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Those who reject all urgings from the Holy Spirit will eventually be destroyed. Although they may hear the urgings of Gods Holy spirit,, pretty soon it becomes like an alarm clock that keeps being turned off or ignored... Soon, you will no longer hear the alarm ring at all.
is the Holy Spirit pointing us to Moses?
or to Jesus Christ?

did Moses fulfill the Law AND provide the only sacrifice acceptable to God?

is that what the Holy Spirit is telling you?
 
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is the Holy Spirit pointing us to Moses?
or to Jesus Christ?

did Moses fulfill the Law AND provide the only sacrifice acceptable to God?

is that what the Holy Spirit is telling you?

Fulfill doesn't mean make void. The Law stands forever.
 

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I believe the Book of Luke is in the New Testament. I also beleive Jesus is our Example. And Jesus kept the Commandments, And if you read Luke 4:16, you will see that our Example was keeping the Sabbath!

Thus, I do too!
God bless you in doing whatever it is you do (or do not do) on Saturday.

please stop laying a yoke on others, that the JEWISH APOSTLES said neither they nor their fathers could bear.

the Law is a pedagogue.
for immature sons.

Christ is the END OF THE LAW for all who believe.

would you like to hear the Good News?:)