Keep The Commandments

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zone

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There obviously is no eighth day. What about the sabbath law disqualifies it from "if you love Me, keep my commandments?" Clearly, God specified the sabbath as to be kept on the 7th day of the week. You think that was accident on His part, and inconsequential oversight? When did you ever see in scriptures God say anything inconsequential?
again, i wasn't addressing you.

but, i'll ask YOU
document the apostle's doctrine commanding 7th day sabbath.


Why were the Patriarchs never instructed about the Sabbath?
they were instructed regarding: offerings: Gen 4:3-4, Altars Gen 8:20, Priests: Gen 14:18, Tithes: Gen 14:20, Circumcision: Gen 17:10, Marriage: Gen 2:24 & Gen 34:9

no sabbath.
 
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That is crazy. At the expense of faith? I'll lose my faith if I keep His commandments? Are you a troll?
I'm getting the feeling that you think faith is something that you believe in your mind.
 
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Shiloah

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That's another low blow... Shiloah isn't angry,, you make these claims and decide they are true,, like he goes to bed angry and that he holds grudges. That's very condescending and really not needed. Don't cha think?
It's just the proof of the pudding, or better put, it's the fruits that reveal the spirit behind the words, Michael50.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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This is a continuous circular argument. This issue of earning your way to heaven has been addressed and readdressed on a continual basis in here. Once again, everyone that keeps the 7th day sabbath in here has said they are saved by grace and works prove their faith. Do you not murder your irritating neighbor so you can earn your way to heaven? We keep the commandments because we LOVE our savior who by His grace and sacrifice, saved us from our sin.
No sis it is not circular.

I do work for God because he HAS SAVED ME. Not so I can keep salvation or lose it.

He is doing it, and claiming those who do not do it to HIS standard are not saved, or will lose their salvation. He has claimed it many times, even this very day (see the sabbath debate!)

HUGE DIFFERENCE.
 

tribesman

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No sis it is not circular.

I do work for God because he HAS SAVED ME. Not so I can keep salvation or lose it.

He is doing it, and claiming those who do not do it to HIS standard are not saved, or will lose their salvation. He has claimed it many times, even this very day (see the sabbath debate!)

HUGE DIFFERENCE.
How in the world can this simple thingy not get into the heads of some so well versed people? Whatever...God won't be outsmarted anyway.
 
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Shiloah

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I'm getting the feeling that you think faith is something that you believe in your mind.
You're apparently a very confused person. You can't seem to just read a scripture and take it as it is? Christ said what He said, repeatedly. It's amazing how twisted one's reasoning can become in order to avoid a direct request.
 
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Shiloah

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How in the world can this simple thingy not get into the heads of some so well versed people? Whatever...God won't be outsmarted anyway.
I sure hope not. lol.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God is not pleased that I do what His son asked me to do? To keep His commandments?
Do you believe in eternal life? that God has saved you eternally. That he will never leave nor forsake you. that even when YOU are faithless, he will be faithfull for he can not deny himself (his promise) thatyou were sealed until the day of redemption by the HS who is your guarantee of eternal life. That you, because of your faith, have been made alive, adopted as his daughter, have been given the power to become Gods daughter based on his work and your faith?

or are you doing these good deeds hoping they will either save you, or failure to do them will cause you to lose that which God gave you (eternal life)

again, there is a huge difference.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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That is crazy. At the expense of faith? I'll lose my faith if I keep His commandments? Are you a troll?

Is your faith in God through Christ, or you ability to keep the commands??
 
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Shiloah

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No sis it is not circular.

I do work for God because he HAS SAVED ME. Not so I can keep salvation or lose it.

He is doing it, and claiming those who do not do it to HIS standard are not saved, or will lose their salvation. He has claimed it many times, even this very day (see the sabbath debate!)

HUGE DIFFERENCE.
If you're not afraid of losing your salvation, why does doing what Christ says upset you? In my mind, I'm not even addressing gaining or losing salvation. I'm simply addressing doing what Christ asks merely because we love Him so much? Honestly, I'm not accusing you of not loving Christ or not being saved. This thread is only about whether the sabbath law still applies as it did in the OT. I realize you interpret that differently. Again, I only see this as a discussion as to whether or not keeping the 7th day sabbath law is still what Christ desires of us.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Let me get this straight. So we're not to do what He said and not keep His commandments? If we do, then we're not pleasing God because we're doing it at the expense of our faith because we're doing it so we can boast? Are you kidding? That's the most confusing logic I've ever seen applied to the simple request, "if you love Me, keep My commandments."
lol. Its confusing because your not seeing it

These men commited these sins (david was an adulterer until the day he died. he NEVER obeyed this command)

according to some people in here. HE CAN:T THEN BE SAVED..

People who are doing it to earn salvation (like many in here are, even though they deny it) are boasting of earning their salvation because they keep the commands.

I don't boast of even keeping the commands. I KNOW I have not kept them 100 % every day, how can I boast of anything??

The pharisees boasted of their keeping Gods commands. Did they love Christ?? did they REALLY keep Gods commands??
 
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Shiloah

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Is your faith in God through Christ, or you ability to keep the commands??
Goodness, I certainly realize that if I sin, which obviously I will though I intend to avoid it with all my heart, my refuge and intercessor is Christ who forgives me. But again and again, Christ tells us to go and sin no more. I treat the sabbath law as I do any other law. That's the only difference.
 
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Huge difference to strive to keep God's commandments because one is justified than to do same in order to try to become justified. Dunno why so many people still don't get that.
dunno why so many people still don't get that the sabbath isn't just one day of the week, but is through faith an eternal rest in righteousness from works of the flesh. Also, don't get why so many think the sabbath is about having a day off. It's purpose was to be a sign that YHWH was sanctifying Israel. In other words, they were to rest in his sanctifying work. Today, the holy spirit is that sign telling us to rest in Christ's finished work that sanctifies us.
 

zone

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Are you kidding? You think the New Testament isn't about the Old? You think Jesus needed to verse by verse repeat them for His audience when He said they would never pass away? If that's your thinking, there's no point in addressing this.

Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. From Exodus 20

How about you show me anywhere in the NT Christ said that law no longer applies, that it's been dropped or nullified in any way.

You said Christ is our sabbath, which in a manner of speaking is true, but that does not nullify His commandment. Only He has the authority to do that. And He said this commandment is eternal.

Colossians 2
8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spiritsa of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11 In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14 by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authoritiesb and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.


^ saved by CHRIST ^ not by Law


Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions,d puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, 19and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.

20If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21“Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.


sabbaton: the Sabbath, i.e. the seventh day (of the week)
Original Word: σάββατον, ου, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: sabbaton
Phonetic Spelling: (sab'-bat-on)
Short Definition: the Sabbath, a week
Definition: the Sabbath, a week.

Romans 14
1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.


does this sound like observe the 7th Day Command given to ISRAEL as a MEMORIAL of THEIR deliverance from Egypt?

or does it sound like do as you do unto the Lord, and observe the days you choose.

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Do you believe in eternal life? that God has saved you eternally. That he will never leave nor forsake you. that even when YOU are faithless, he will be faithfull for he can not deny himself (his promise) thatyou were sealed until the day of redemption by the HS who is your guarantee of eternal life. That you, because of your faith, have been made alive, adopted as his daughter, have been given the power to become Gods daughter based on his work and your faith?

or are you doing these good deeds hoping they will either save you, or failure to do them will cause you to lose that which God gave you (eternal life)

again, there is a huge difference.
So tell us,, how long have you been able to read the hearts of men as God can? How many fingers am I holding up?

This is your whole problem,,, You have decided what we believe in our hearts. You have set yourself up to claim you can read our hearts. Somthing only God can do...Yet, you suppose that we are not saved, because you suppose we seek our own rightousness. Even though you have been told at least a 100 times by varius people otherwise.

So,, it's obvious,,you beleive you can read the minds of men,, knowing who is saved and who is not.. lol

I wish you would cultivate some courage and go ahead and tell which Denominations are all going to hell because it's obvious you have a list.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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How in the world can this simple thingy not get into the heads of some so well versed people? Whatever...God won't be outsmarted anyway.
Human thinking,, and the flesh, and satan hiding the truth is all I can think of.

remember, WE as humans WANT to pay for our sin, We WANT to earn what we are given, it is against our nature to say we have earned the punishment we deserve, but can not pay something to make up for it..
That is why legalism has been satans easiest trick since adam first fell. and will continue to be until the history of mankind is complete.
 

zone

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Are you kidding? You think the New Testament isn't about the Old? You think Jesus needed to verse by verse repeat them for His audience when He said they would never pass away? If that's your thinking, there's no point in addressing this.
could you re-read the Sermon on the Mount and find Sabbath please?
or ANY New Testament command to follow Judaism's 7th day sabbath?

there's no point in addressing this.
okay then.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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If you're not afraid of losing your salvation, why does doing what Christ says upset you?

1. Who says it upsets me?
2. Who says I am not doing it? (besides Michael and John and others that keep spreading lies about me)?


In my mind, I'm not even addressing gaining or losing salvation. I'm simply addressing doing what Christ asks merely because we love Him so much? Honestly, I'm not accusing you of not loving Christ or not being saved. This thread is only about whether the sabbath law still applies as it did in the OT. I realize you interpret that differently. Again, I only see this as a discussion as to whether or not keeping the 7th day sabbath law is still what Christ desires of us.

true. But some have made it an issue by what they say. They claim we love our sin, disregard the law. thus can;t be saved.

that is what started this whole debate in the first place..
 
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You're apparently a very confused person. You can't seem to just read a scripture and take it as it is? Christ said what He said, repeatedly. It's amazing how twisted one's reasoning can become in order to avoid a direct request.
Well since you think I'm confused, here's a direct request that maybe you can help me to see: What is faith?
 
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Human thinking,, and the flesh, and satan hiding the truth is all I can think of.

remember, WE as humans WANT to pay for our sin, We WANT to earn what we are given, it is against our nature to say we have earned the punishment we deserve, but can not pay something to make up for it..
That is why legalism has been satans easiest trick since adam first fell. and will continue to be until the history of mankind is complete.
proving my point again,, that you beleive you can read the hearts of men,, somthing only God can do.. Yet here you are doing it again.

Hey,, Eternal Life is a free gift from God.... Now,, are you determining that I am not believing that? I do understand now, that you read the hearts of man,, like God does.. So,, what do i think of you?