Keep The Commandments

[Shiloah]

Dude I am sick of your false accusations. You know I have never said this. You refuse to see it, because you will not even admit this error. Your pride is so stiff, it can not be broken.



Yeah the time is near. If I was you I would live in extreme fear that you might not make it, because you messed up, and commited a sin, or sins which may not be forgiven in time.

It is only about making sure we get saved? Does it ever grow beyond that to serving God out of pure love, respect, and undying gratitude for what He's done for us? Unfortunately, the very accusation you're making toward these other people I see very clearly in you. I'm feel very sad about that. Honestly.

 

[Michael50]

Dude I am sick of your false accusations. You know I have never said this. You refuse to see it, because you will not even admit this error. Your pride is so stiff, it can not be broken.



Yeah the time is near. If I was you I would live in extreme fear that you might not make it, because you messed up, and commited a sin, or sins which may not be forgiven in time.

I refer you to post # 918 I rest my case!

 

[Shiloah]

I refer you to post # 918 I rest my case!

Hey, that's a good idea, Michael50. That way a person doesn't have to keep answering the same question or replying to the same accusation (writing it down over and over and over...) for an endless period of time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Speaking of the 10 Commandments, you made this amazing erroneous claim. You said:

" It does not mean they should not be followed after a person is born again. Failure to do so would still bring repercussions in this lifetime, but has NO bearing on our eternity."

Can you read this again. I said, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED AFTER..

since when does this mean that the law is taken away??

do you even know how to read??

Unbelievable that you would make such a claim. Under your theology, one can rob banks for a living, be a hitman for the mob, engage in any and all perverted immoral acts, worship idols and praise satan...all while claiming Jesus & Grace.,, cause,, like you said,, it may have repercussions during this lifetime,,but has no bearing on our eternity..

1. A child of God would not do these things without extreme chastening from God. The guilt and chastening of God would prevent it. But you can not see this.
2. You amaze me to the lengths you will go to excuse your own sin. You love to focus on sins (like the pharisees) but you refuse to admit the sin you have on a daily basis.
3. In doing so. You prove you do not even understand what the law is. Like the pharisees, you think just because you seem to obey the ten, you must be righteous. God called them out, he will call you out also.

Your view makes sense in some regard. Looking at Television evangelists that swindle the public with acts of false healings and talking folks into handing over there life savings,,, I can see how they too would easily believe like you do... That way, they can lie and swindle during this lifetime and if they get away with it,,no repercussions down here,, and none to worry about in the afterlife either.

lol. All we have to do is read the new testament and wee see why people believe like you do.

1. The law makes us righteous (wrong)
2. We are saved by faith, But must perfect our salvation by the law (you fool)

If you want to be a pharisee feel free. But they thought they were getting to heaven too. And NO one could bring a charge to their account, Because THEY FOCUSED ON THE TEN. and not on the WHOLE LAW! Like you do!

You teach a doctrine of a demon!

You teach satans gospel. he fools anyone anyway he can to keep them from gods grace.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Why is it that people can't get it through their heads that we have never been under the 10 commandments? Those laws were the laws of the old covenant which has passed away. We have never been under the old covenant, therefore we could never have been under those laws. We are under a new covenant that has new laws.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is only about making sure we get saved? Does it ever grow beyond that to serving God out of pure love, respect, and undying gratitude for what He's done for us? Unfortunately, the very accusation you're making toward these other people I see very clearly in you. I'm feel very sad about that. Honestly.

Making sure we get saved? How can we do this? John said we can KNOW we have eternal life. How can we know??

There is only one way to KNOW we have eternal life. and it is not in us, We can not know we will follow Gods law from now until we die. That some circumstance in life will bring us down, weaken our faith, and we become prodigal children.

There is no hope in a salvation by law and obedience, We could never be obedeint enough to earn salvation. If we think we can, we decieve ourselves..

What accusation? They are basing their salvation on how well they obey the law. Is this in Scripture? Can you or they or even myself obey the law enough to EVER earn salvation? if we ever think this, we are in danger.

It is not about obeying the law. it is about trusting Christ. I look to him in faith, and in doing so, with the power of the HS grow in love and faith in Christ and Gods ways. By unlearning the human way Which is law.

They do it, they claim out of love, but judge others who are not as good as they are, and in doing so can not even see the sin in their own life.

I am like God. A sinner needs God. he can not be healed without him. I show him Gods love, so he can come to god and recieve what I have, In doing so. they too can change.

legalism and judgment will, nor has it ever, win a sinner to the lord!

 

[Grandpa]

Fulfilled isn't about not keeping them. Fulfilled is about having kept them and then having died as the perfect lamb, taking the punishment upon Himself? That's the only question repeatedly asked here. We no longer sacrifice in order to be forgiven our sins, which by the way, are still represented by the ten commandments? You know, when we break them? As they tell us what sin is? You actually believe the time will come when it's ok to sin? Hence, to no longer be under the law means we can sin now? I don't think there's any more ways this can be explained.

There comes a time I think when everyone's simply throwing accusations and insults perhaps there's nothing left to say? I think this issue has been explained from every possible vantage point, and yet it's still not understood. This is a strange one, to me, that people can't seem to come to an agreement on this, or even understand alike at all.

You start your argument with an incorrect presumption. If your initial presumption were correct there would be no argument.

No longer being under the law doesn't mean its ok to sin now. Its actually reverse. When you are under the law that's when you sin. When you try by your own will to keep the commandments you fail.

When you finally see that it leads you to Christ. This begins a whole new way. One that isn't about your will keeping commandments. The old way is finished.

It makes no sense to you because it is spiritually discerned. That's why there are 47 pages of this. The flesh is enmity to the spirit.

 

[JaumeJ]

My belief is that all should learn from the Master, and when we do this we understand what was being said by the men who encountered the risen Yeshua on their way.
Luk 24:32
And they said one to another, Was not our heart burning within us, while he spake to us in the way, while he opened to us the scriptures?

He revealed the meaning of much of what the prophets had written about Him, and how all was fulfilled in His mission, all. When reading the Prophets and the Law it is thrilling and edifying to see Yeshua from Genesis to John the Immerser, and later in the Gospels according to the four, and other writings from Paul.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

The book of the covenant (mentioned below) was the law of Moses which included the 10 commandments. It was the law of the old covenant, which covenant was superseded by the new covenant and disappeared nearly 2000 years before we were even born. One cannot be under the laws of a covenant, or a country, that (s)he is not a member of.

And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the LORD hath said will we do, and be obedient. And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled [it] on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the LORD hath made with you concerning all these words. Exodus 24:7-8
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Therefore, we have never been under the law of the 10 commandments. If you want to use those commandments as an example of righteousness, then do so and be blessed because they are holy and good for instruction into righteousness. But stating that we are under these commandments with an obligation to follow them just shows one's ignorance and unbelief.

 

[JaumeJ]

The first teaching from Jesus, Yeshua, I have cited is quite clear. Have heaven and earth passed away?
He also is teaching any who teach men to break the least of the commandments will be called least in Heaven; is this what all are seeking? I mean, to be least in Heaven. I would like you all to be great in Heaven.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Here below, the Master teaches us the two great Laws of Love have the prophets and the laws depending upon them or hanging upon them. This is quite clear that the laws of love contain all the laws, and they are spoken of by the prophets.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Mat 22:40
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In the following teaching when the Master was asked what to do to enter into the Kingdom, He says to obey the Commandments............and much more.

Mar 10:19
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honour thy father and mother.
Mar 10:20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.
Mar 10:21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

Why do you suppose the Angel of Yeshua mentions the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus, separately yet they are one?

Rev 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

Finally from Jesus, Yeshua, He pronounces blessings on all who DO His commandments, giving them the right to the tree of life, and entry in through the gates of the city.....

Rev 22:14
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.


Who in this thread is qualified by the Father to change any of what is taught by the Savior, Yeshua? None, for none suffered and died to bring us this good news from the Throne of God, save Yeshua, Jesus, amen.
　

 

[Grandpa]

Jesus, Yeshua, has taken all responsibility for anything we have done or may do that is wrong, we are not perfect, however he does not take responsibility for our consciously breaking the commandments. Now, you may or may not have misunderstood me when I have consisitently repeated there is a major difference between the law and the commandments of Yahweh.

Or do you believe because we live in the grace of the Blood of the Lamb we are now told we may disrespect our parents, we may steal, to the tenth with impunity?

Grace is not license to lie, cheat and steal, among the other ten. I have consistently maintained this throughout this thread.

As one who is grateful for what Yeshua has done for me, the idea of believing grace is an excuse for me to trample on the Father's design for our behavior is frightening, but only frightening for any people who would follow such a theology.

The Law and the prophets are fulfilled by Yeshua, but they are by no means obsolete. Or shall we throw out the teachings of Isaiah, Jeremiah, Zecharia, Zephenia, Micah, Malachi, Obadiah, etc. and erase the two Great Laws of Love? Jesus teaches the law and the prophets hang on those two great laws, and are fulfilled in observing them. If they are with the two great laws, they are within the framework of obeying them.

The Law is Love, and God is Love. Do not think the law includes the myriad of statutes, ordinances, ceremonial and sacrificial ritualistic directions given in the first Books of the Word. The Laws or commandments that fit into the great laws of love are the only laws that may be referenced for good behavior in the sight of God. God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, amen.

There is no reason to fear the idea of obeying God, none.

You don't obey God in your flesh. Your flesh has other ideas.

If you are concerned about "good behavior" you would attempt to come to Christ and follow His Holy Spirit.

Only by following the Holy Spirit can the works of the flesh be overcome. The flesh can't just decide to be Holy and start following God's Law of Love. There has to be a conversion. A change caused by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Romans 8:1-8
[SUP]1[/SUP] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


When you point someone to the Law what does it do, if they look at it honestly? It condemns them in their flesh and will. This is good for someone who hasn't come to Christ. Right? It teaches them that their flesh and will doesn't inherit the kingdom of God.

But after a person has come to Christ if you point them back to the law what does it do? It condemns them, if they let it, if they haven't learned the lesson. It causes them to look back and behold sin, taking their eyes off Christ.

One person can't command another person to obey the law of love, telling them God commands them. There's too much striving, stubborn-ness, pride, arrogance, etc... It just doesn't work for someone who is not perfect to tell someone else that they must be perfect. It is very easy to see that neither one will be perfect by their own effort...

So is it impossible? With men it is impossible. That's why we must come to Christ. That's why we must always mention that He is the Way. The only Way. Everything else is a side-track.

Its not Christ plus our work of the flesh. Its not Christ plus the commandments. Its Christ alone. Its Christ working in us and through us.

Otherwise your faith isn't entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise you think He's a really good savior but you have to work at the law because He didn't completely save you. Did He save you just a little or did He Save You to the Highest? I guess there are a lot of people around here that think the Lord saved them just a little and they have to finish the work by the law.

The Joy of the Lord is our Strength. He gives us the Peace that passes all understanding. How does that happen? Ha ha go to Him and ask for yourself...

You can't have peace if you are worried that your next step could cause your falling away. You can't have joy if you are still condemning yourself with the Law. I suppose you could pretend but how long will that last...?

My prayer is that you could put your pride away for a moment and see that our only boast is, and will always be, in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I refer you to post # 918 I rest my case!

I refer you to every post you ever made.

I rest my case!

As for post 918, You misinterpreting what I say does not prove anything as you claim..

But as for you adding law to grace, it proves once again you do, even if you deny it

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hey, that's a good idea, Michael50. That way a person doesn't have to keep answering the same question or replying to the same accusation (writing it down over and over and over...) for an endless period of time.

It would be great, if they would EVER understand what a person said, and not misread them. Doing this just exasperated the issue.. I had to respond twice to the SAME argument, instead of once, which was more than enough

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Mat 5:19

And Jesus said this when? [drum roll please...] UNDER THE OLD COVENANT! He has since uttering those words (and others like it) fulfilled everything under that covenant, including the righteousness and justice required by the law of that covenant, as well as the prophets.

The cross is the delineation point from which the old covenant no longer applies. Therefore, your reasoning is flawed because you are not considering the historical context.

 

[zone]

And Jesus said this when? [drum roll please...] UNDER THE OLD COVENANT! He has since uttering those words (and others like it) fulfilled everything under that covenant, including the righteousness and justice required by the law of that covenant, as well as the prophets.

The cross is the delineation point from which the old covenant no longer applies. Therefore, your reasoning is flawed because you are not considering the historical context.

Luke 24
On the Road to Emmaus
13That very day two of them were going to a village named Emmaus, about seven milesa from Jerusalem, 14and they were talking with each other about all these things that had happened. 15While they were talking and discussing together, Jesus himself drew near and went with them. 16But their eyes were kept from recognizing him. 17And he said to them, “What is this conversation that you are holding with each other as you walk?” And they stood still, looking sad. 18Then one of them, named Cleopas, answered him, “Are you the only visitor to Jerusalem who does not know the things that have happened there in these days?” 19And he said to them, “What things?” And they said to him, “Concerning Jesus of Nazareth, a man who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20and how our chief priests and rulers delivered him up to be condemned to death, and crucified him. 21But we had hoped that he was the one to redeem Israel. Yes, and besides all this, it is now the third day since these things happened. 22Moreover, some women of our company amazed us. They were at the tomb early in the morning, 23and when they did not find his body, they came back saying that they had even seen a vision of angels, who said that he was alive. 24Some of those who were with us went to the tomb and found it just as the women had said, but him they did not see.” 25And he said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! 26Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” 27And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.

28So they drew near to the village to which they were going. He acted as if he were going farther, 29but they urged him strongly, saying, “Stay with us, for it is toward evening and the day is now far spent.” So he went in to stay with them. 30When he was at table with them, he took the bread and blessed and broke it and gave it to them. 31And their eyes were opened, and they recognized him. And he vanished from their sight. 32They said to each other, “Did not our hearts burn within us while he talked to us on the road, while he opened to us the Scriptures?” 33And they rose that same hour and returned to Jerusalem. And they found the eleven and those who were with them gathered together, 34saying, “The Lord has risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon!” 35Then they told what had happened on the road, and how he was known to them in the breaking of the bread.

Jesus Appears to His Disciples
36As they were talking about these things, Jesus himself stood among them, and said to them, “Peace to you!” 37But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit. 38And he said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? 39See my hands and my feet, that it is I myself. Touch me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” 40And when he had said this, he showed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, he said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” 42They gave him a piece of broiled fish,b 43and he took it and ate before them.

44Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” 45Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, 46and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, 47and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. 48You are witnesses of these things. 49And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”

The Ascension
50Then he led them out as far as Bethany, and lifting up his hands he blessed them. 51While he blessed them, he parted from them and was carried up into heaven. 52And they worshiped him and returned to Jerusalem with great joy, 53and were continually in the temple blessing God.

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Then he said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.”

 

[zone]

Christians are more forgiving than the Lord who created them? You must be out of your mind.

For you to say we can't mix grace and law is another ignorant comment on your behalf..

I am saved by Grace & I keep the Law becaue I love jesus.. There,, I just mixed Law with Grace, Now,,hopefully you can see how wrong you are. But,, I know you won't, anymore than Eternally grateful will admit that he has claimed the law void and we shouldn't keep it.

Believe whatever you want.. I know the end is near, when folks like you make your false claims that we should toss the law.

"It is time for you to act O Lord, for they have made void your law."

Leviticus 6
1a The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, 2“If anyone sins and commits a breach of faith against the LORD by deceiving his neighbor in a matter of deposit or security, or through robbery, or if he has oppressed his neighbor 3or has found something lost and lied about it, swearing falsely—in any of all the things that people do and sin thereby— 4if he has sinned and has realized his guilt and will restore what he took by robbery or what he got by oppression or the deposit that was committed to him or the lost thing that he found 5or anything about which he has sworn falsely, he shall restore it in full and shall add a fifth to it, and give it to him to whom it belongs on the day he realizes his guilt. 6And he shall bring to the priest as his compensation to the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flock, or its equivalent for a guilt offering. 7And the priest shall make atonement for him before the LORD, and he shall be forgiven for any of the things that one may do and thereby become guilty.”


what part of this Law do you keep and which part do you not keep?

 

[JaumeJ]

You don't obey God in your flesh. Your flesh has other ideas.

When have you seen anyone post we are perfect, obeying in the flesh to the letter? Do you not think I understand what Paul teaches when he speaks of obeying in the spirit? Do you not think I know what he is saying when he says it is no longer I who sin rather sin that dwells in me?

If you are concerned about "good behavior" you would attempt to come to Christ and follow His Holy Spirit.

Paul goes on to say the law is not evil. He also says living under grace does not mean we sin more so that grace may abound. Have you not learned this. God forbid we sin for grace to abound, yet grace does abound because we are not perfect. Even in the Old Testament it is written "God's grace is fresh every morning." This writing, as all, is of the Holy Spirit.

Only by following the Holy Spirit can the works of the flesh be overcome. The flesh can't just decide to be Holy and start following God's Law of Love. There has to be a conversion. A change caused by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Again, you seem to think I am under the impression that I have some power to perfect myself. I am being perfected, meanwhile I will not blaspheme the Blood of the Lamb by deliberately sinning, and yes, people do sin, even after they are saved.........read Romans.

Romans 8:1-8
[SUP]1[/SUP] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

There is no condemnation for anyone who is in Christ, Yeshua, but do not sin deliberately, no, for this is not to be done, and it is taught so.


When you point someone to the Law what does it do, if they look at it honestly? It condemns them in their flesh and will. This is good for someone who hasn't come to Christ. Right? It teaches them that their flesh and will doesn't inherit the
kingdom of God.

I do not point anyone to the law, rather to the commandments. You have not responded to the teachings of Jesus Christ, Yeshua. His words are not hidden on the subject of commandments and He says to obey them even to the end, even to the extent of sending His Angel to John to reiterate this twice in the Book, Revelation

But after a person has come to Christ if you point them back to the law what does it do? It condemns them, if they let it, if they haven't learned the lesson. It causes them to look back and behold sin, taking their eyes off Christ.

You are completely misunderstanding what I have repeatedly posted here, or you just do not want anyone else to say anything against what you teach. I am sharing the Words of the Lord on the subject, while you are tap dancing all around what the Master teaches on this very simple principle.

One person can't command another person to obey the law of love, telling them God commands them. There's too much striving, stubborn-ness, pride, arrogance, etc... It just doesn't work for someone who is not perfect to tell someone else that they must be perfect. It is very easy to see that neither one will be perfect by their own effort...

Jesus commands the two great laws be followed as best we are able, actually He commands. People will never be perfect in this age, this is precisely why living in grace and knowing the great laws we are being perfected, not to be perfect until God has finished the work He has begun in each of us on His great and glorious day. He is perfecting us, not we, but this is not an excuse to deliberately go against His commandments, that is to deliberately sin.

So is it impossible? With men it is impossible. That's why we must come to Christ. That's why we must always mention that He is the Way. The only Way. Everything else is a side-track.

Who here has said anything to the contrary, ever in posting? Is it that you want me to say something to the contrary, It seems this is your goal. My goal is for you to be great in Heaven.

Its not Christ plus our work of the flesh. Its not Christ plus the commandments. Its Christ alone. Its Christ working in us and through us.

You are correct here, but faith without works is no faith at all.

Otherwise your faith isn't entirely in the Lord Jesus Christ. Otherwise you think He's a really good savior but you have to work at the law because He didn't completely save you. Did He save you just a little or did He Save You to the Highest? I guess there are a lot of people around here that think the Lord saved them just a little and they have to finish the work by the law.

Read the rest of what is above...........pay close attention to the work God has begun in us, He will complete, no one said we will complete.

The Joy of the Lord is our Strength. He gives us the Peace that passes all understanding. How does that happen? Ha ha go to Him and ask for yourself...

Why do you feign laughter in a discussion of something so very important to all souls? Jesus, Yeshua, is my all, and I refuse to hear teaching against good behavior on the part of all who are saved, and good behavior is our physical as well as spiritual attitude, or how else are we to attract others to the Good News that is Yeshua? You answer this please. Do not turn this around to being bound by the law. The law was our teacher, and is now our constant reference when in doubt on any particular subject. I do not feel a need to go to the law for anything other than wisdom and learning the prophesies contained within them, but many people will.



You can't have peace if you are worried that your next step could cause your falling away. You can't have joy if you are still condemning yourself with the Law. I suppose you could pretend but how long will that last...?

Now, again, you believe others are worried. That is so very sad. Others are joyously doing what has been given them in plain teaching to please the Father, to be as much like His Son, Yeshua, as is possible in the flesh. Now, I hope and pray this makes you worry enough to come to the understanding that there is good in referencing the law when the need arises. Usually, mature believers do not have this need, however they will review them all of their lives for the sake of being found worhty servants of the Most High God.

My prayer is that you could put your pride away for a moment and see that our only boast is, and will always be, in the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Perhaps I have pride, I cannot say. I do know what I have experienced and given up for the sake of the Lamb of Yahweh, and I am certain there may be much more in the future. The most important knowledge about this pride you say I have is, Yahweh knows me. Everything I have shared, to the best of my understanding, is from the teachings of my Master, the One Who suffered and died for all who call upon Him in Spirit and truth.

 

[john832]

Can you read this again. I said, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED AFTER..

But if there are no repercussions, then it really doesn't matter. Because if you do rob banks, murder, swindle, lie, commit adultery, blaspheme the name of God, worship other things in place of God, etc. there are no negative results. No repercussions.

 

[john832]

It would be great, if they would EVER understand what a person said, and not misread them. Doing this just exasperated the issue.. I had to respond twice to the SAME argument, instead of once, which was more than enough

I plainly understood what you said.

 

[john832]

Can you read this again. I said, IT DOES NOT MEAN THEY SHOULD NOT BE FOLLOWED AFTER..

OK, then do you obey them? A simple yes or no will do.