Is Hell a Physical Place?

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Shiloah

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The Hebrew word 'sheol' and Greek word 'Hades' are speaking of the same place; before the death and Resurrection of Christ, everybody (both believer and unbeliever) went there (see Luke 16v19-31), the unbeliever went into one side of it which also contained the Abyss/'bottomless pit' and Tartarus (Rom 10v7, 2Pet 2v4), the believer went into the other side and was comforted by their faith in the resurrection and the Holy Spirit, being so to speak 'in the bosom of Moses'. However, after His death and Resurrection the believer, at death retains their spirit, so that their soul and spirit ascend into the Presence of God in Heaven (NOTE: there is NO such thing as 'soul sleep', the Scriptures do NOT teach it!). 2Cor 5v8, Phil 1v23, Heb 12v23. The unbeliever still goes into Hades at death. Rev 20v13. Death and Hades are cast into the 'Lake of Fire' immediately after the Great White Throne judgement. Rev 20v14. Hades is God's temporary prison, for all come out of it at the Great White Throne judgement.

Nobody (either humans or evil angels) has gone into the 'Lake of Fire' (which is God's eternal prison, for once somebody has been put into it, they never comes out!) yet, the first to go into it are Antichrist, the false prophet, Antichrist's followers, the rest of the wicked and the evil angels (bar the Devil who is put into Hades at Christ's Second Coming, Rev 20v1-3) at Christ's Second Coming. Matt 13v36-43, 24v45-25v46, Rev 14v9-11, 19v20,21. At the Great White Throne judgement, those who's names are not written in the 'Book of Life' are cast into the 'lake of fire'. Rev 20v15.

For those interested you can find a bit of a study on it Here

Yahweh Shalom...
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I absolutely do not interpret it that way. Don't know where in the world you got all this.
 
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Sorry, I must have emitted them by accident. As for those worms and that fire, I addressed that in my earlier post about what Gehenna actually represents. It's that garbage dump? Please go back and reread that. As for your belief in an eternal soul? There is nowhere in all of scriptures that a soul is said to be immortal. Nowhere. It says, however, in many many places that when we die, we're dead. You should look up some online articles that will actually tackle this. You can't go with one or two NT scriptures that seem to imply never-ending torment when that interpretation would make the whole bible contradict itself. The Old Testament says we die just like the animals do. Genesis says that when God breathed the breath of life into man, man BECAME a living soul. God didn't breath an immortal soul into Adam. And when God told Adam he would die if He ate from that tree, He meant die, return to the dust. He said nothing about an eternal soul. Check out all the translations. Most don't even use the word "soul". To assume the souls in Sodom and Gomorrah are waiting in conscious torment in some other place but ashes, you have to already believe in an immortal soul. That has to be a presupposition in order to interpret those scriptures that way... cause they just don't say that.

At the last trump, the dead shall rise. Why aren't immortal souls coming out of hell? You think God is bringing up their ashes for them to go into again? That makes sense to you?

Note: Post #18 covers Gehenna.
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The bible is taken in it's entirety or it is not taken at all. You cannot pick and choose which parts you will accept and which parts you reject.
It may be my opinion but hell is no laughing matter. You may choose to brush it off and hope that hell is not eternal but then you would have to teach that eternal life is not eternal as well.
I'm going to stick with God's word understanding that everything God does is eternal.

For the cause of Christ
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I absolutely do not interpret it that way. Don't know where in the world you got all this.
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One can only do the best one can in any of these areas of doctrine, and I know I am still continually learning.
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From Post #26...maybe you just have somewhat more to learn on this subject...love! :p

You'll learn some more if you look at the study in the link I post with an open mind!
 
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From Post #26...maybe you just have somewhat more to learn on this subject...love! :p

You'll learn some more if you look at the study in the link I post with an open mind!
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No thank you. I've read everything there is on the subject. This one doctrine I'd swear my life on. I'm not sure of some of the others, but this one? I'll never change my mind on this one unless God Himself tells me differently.
 
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The bible is taken in it's entirety or it is not taken at all. You cannot pick and choose which parts you will accept and which parts you reject.
It may be my opinion but hell is no laughing matter. You may choose to brush it off and hope that hell is not eternal but then you would have to teach that eternal life is not eternal as well.
I'm going to stick with God's word understanding that everything God does is eternal.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
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I think it's amazing how people always assume someone that believes something the conventional church does not believe, they must be either picking and choosing what they WANT to believe or they haven't studied deeply enough. Hey, maybe I've studied more? That actually is a possibility you know. And maybe I chose to believe what I found most accurate when I'd searched out and studied everything I could find? There's only so many different ways this can be looked at. There's nothing else to be added. Yes, I have studied it that much. But people parrot what they've heard and don't consider anything outside of that sphere. But hey, I understand that, because they fear if they question things seriously, they'll actually be thrown into that horrible torture chamber God puts sinners in for a never-ending period of time. Because He loved them that much!

I'm not being blasphemous. I KNOW God doesn't do that. I'm just showing you how this comes off to atheists.
 
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LOL! Bravely spoken dear and you only a Christian 20 years...ha ha!
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Oh gosh. You got three years on me! Why didn't I notice that? You're something. I'll not respond in here anymore. Waste of time.
 
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No actually I have quite a few more than '3' on you! :p
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So your posted age isn't accurate? And how would you know how long I've been studying this? And if you're older that makes you more right?
 
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I'm not being blasphemous. I KNOW God doesn't do that. I'm just showing you how this comes off to atheists.
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Atheists know and understand. They just don't like what they know and understand. Romans 1:21

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The very fact that ALL the dead are raised again for the great white throne judgement is proof enough that souls are immortal.
To be judged by what they did, - notice the Book of Life is included.
I don't see how any other interpretation can viably exist.
Sheol and Gehenna are different.
All of the references to Gehenna except John 3:6 are from the lips of Jesus Himself.
 
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OK there is no hell and no ones going to hell and we all get saved in end so lets all just fornicate and get drunk, steal whatever we like and have a good time, after all there is no hell and we all get saved....

Of course if you want to have a good time and ignore God and remove guilty feelings, then sure go ahead and convince yourself hell is not real.
 
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Shiloah said:
So your posted age isn't accurate?
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No, my posted profile age is not my real age, however, I certainly have been saved for just over 30 years!

And I didn't make the arrogant statement of:
I've read everything there is on the subject
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Having previously stated:

One can only do the best one can in any of these areas of doctrine, and I know I am still continually learning.
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Contradicting oneself are we here a bit...love! lol :p

Yahweh Shalom...
 
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First of all, you don't understand what your soul is. And yes, your soul is immortal. Death is the doorway to ETERNITY. When you die your soul only has two places it can exist. That is either HEAVEN or HELL.
 
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Might want to show your real age then,.......it tends to help your testimony to be truthful.
 
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Hell is outer darkness, where the Spirit of God is not.
It is a spiritual place.
But more real than this material universe we live in. - (As this physical universe is changing constantly and eventually will be burned up).
But the Spirit dimension is pretty much eternal. - (heaven and hell)
Whether the flames are allegorical or not, one thing is for certain - if that's the best physical representation for how hell is, then it must be an utterly awful place.
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its relational not locational...the Spirit of God hasnt location....or is everywhere.
 
RickShafer

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Holy Smokes we agree!?!
- Maybe a fireworks display should be shot off or something!:rolleyes:
 
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Shiloah

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RickShafer said:
The very fact that ALL the dead are raised again for the great white throne judgement is proof enough that souls are immortal.
To be judged by what they did, - notice the Book of Life is included.
I don't see how any other interpretation can viably exist.
Sheol and Gehenna are different.
All of the references to Gehenna except John 3:6 are from the lips of Jesus Himself.
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It says "all the dead are raised at the final thrown judgment." How in the world you see this as proof of immortality is beyond me. All-- that-- were-- dead. What about DEAD do you not understand? What about the dead being raised from the dead do you not understand? If someone is raised from the dead, obviously they were dead before they were raised.

I should have used this verse to support my position, not you yours.

Gehenna was, again, a garbage dump outside of Jeruselum that was always burning with corpses of criminals, dead animals, and garbage. This whole earth will be like a humongous Gehenna, a lake fire, when God destroys it. Hence, when Jesus spoke of Gehenna, he was speaking of the hellfire that would destroy the whole earth. The devil, his angels, and all that were not written in the book of life will be thrown into that lake of fire. And they will burn up and be gone, "they will be ashes beneath your feet."
 
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