Is Hell a Physical Place?

[Shiloah]

It's hard for some to be un-doctrinated to what they've been told their whole life----that our loving Father would actually torture someone endlessly in hell fire. I believe its a gross misrepresentation of our loving God. He is just. He's not a cruel tyrant.

I honestly think it's impossible for most that have been indoctrinated into believing this to even see past it. They just can't imagine it, for some weird reason. They honestly think they're defending the faith to support the eternal torture chamber belief. I don't get it. I love my God with all my heart. I would accept it if I thought scriptures taught it. I would just have to tell myself I must not understand how things really are. I love God to much to go anywhere else. But I'm absolutely convinced that sinners that refuse to accept Christ as their personal savior are utterly destroyed, just like scriptures tell me. Oh well. Maybe I should post this on the "frustration" thread. lol.

 

[Shiloah]

"Beware that there be not a thought in thy wicked heart, saying, The seventh year, the year of release, is at hand; AND thine eye be evil against thy poor brother, and thou givest him nought; and he cry unto Salvation against thee, and it be sin unto thee."

Deuteronomy 15:9 Be careful not to harbor this wicked thought: "The seventh year, the year for canceling debts, is near," so that you do not show ill will toward the needy among your fellow Israelites and give them nothing. They may then appeal to the LORD against you, and you will be found guilty of sin.

Is this supposed to have something to do with what hell is?

 

[enoch1nine]

Is this supposed to have something to do with what hell is?

It is a warning not to concoct other people's doom.

Like these microcosms of judgment day:

1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."


On judgment day, all they'll have to do is present themselves and stretch out their hand.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.


They used their sabbath day to divide humanity in the name of God. Like we do.
We have been mis-taught that God's sabbath day is to divide humanity in the name of man.

 

[Shiloah]

It is a warning not to concoct other people's doom.

Like these microcosms of judgment day:

1 And he entered again into the synagogue; and there was a man there which had a withered hand.

[SUP]2 [/SUP]And they watched him, whether he would heal him on the sabbath day; that they might accuse him.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And he saith unto the man which had the withered hand, Stand forth.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.

[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him."


On judgment day, all they'll have to do is present themselves and stretch out their hand.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?

[SUP]12 [/SUP]How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the Pharisees went out, and held a council against him, how they might destroy him.


They used their sabbath day to divide humanity in the name of God. Like we do.
We have been mis-taught that God's sabbath day is to divide humanity in the name of man.

I don't see the comparison. And what's dividing humanity over the sabbath day have to do with hell? Besides, the Pharisees were simply misrepresenting the sabbath day. Jesus, by his answer to them, showed that healing on the sabbath was actually legal under the law.

 

[enoch1nine]

I don't see the comparison

Like I said, a microcosm.
Picture the throne room on resurrection day, however you picture it.
And read the "word" as if it were a parable or poem about that day.
"And all the people were amazed, and said, Is this not the son of David?"

 

[Shiloah]

Like I said, a microcosm.
Picture the throne room on resurrection day, however you picture it.
And read the "word" as if it were a parable or poem about that day.
"And all the people were amazed, and said, Is this not the son of David?"

You okay tonight, Enoch?

 

[enoch1nine]

You okay tonight, Enoch?

Doing alright I think.
Here's another one that challenges the modern ideas of hell / judgment day.

Psalm 4

 

[nathan3]

This is the best answer at this point .From the Bible.

I would take a note book out and take notes to study :


Here is a decent online Strong's E. Concordance I use for online :


LINK >>Index - King James Bible with Strongs Dictionary - SpeedBible by johnhurt.com<< LINK

((The meaning will be at the top of the page, of the word you press. ))




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[sunshinelovin1700]

I honestly think it's impossible for most that have been indoctrinated into believing this to even see past it. They just can't imagine it, for some weird reason. They honestly think they're defending the faith to support the eternal torture chamber belief. I don't get it. I love my God with all my heart. I would accept it if I thought scriptures taught it. I would just have to tell myself I must not understand how things really are. I love God to much to go anywhere else. But I'm absolutely convinced that sinners that refuse to accept Christ as their personal savior are utterly destroyed, just like scriptures tell me. Oh well. Maybe I should post this on the "frustration" thread. lol.

You speak very much what I think my friend.

 

[homwardbound]

You speak very much what I think my friend.

unbelief no go, belief go, too simple, and yet our works from this amazing salvation have to be better that that of the Pharisees
HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! no love only acted as if loved but in truth used love to gain their own way.
Hypocrisy at its finest
Hell fro those is real, eternal torment and have been forewarned in advance and know what the consequences are
case settled and the end is coming

 

[simpletruth]

I honestly think it's impossible for most that have been indoctrinated into believing this to even see past it. They just can't imagine it, for some weird reason. They honestly think they're defending the faith to support the eternal torture chamber belief. I don't get it. I love my God with all my heart. I would accept it if I thought scriptures taught it. I would just have to tell myself I must not understand how things really are. I love God to much to go anywhere else. But I'm absolutely convinced that sinners that refuse to accept Christ as their personal savior are utterly destroyed, just like scriptures tell me. Oh well. Maybe I should post this on the "frustration" thread. lol.

Yes, I agree....the wages of sin is death, not eternal life in agony, and hell is the grave. In 1611 when the KJV was translated the old English word 'hell' did not mean what it means today. It was a cold dark place where you buried potatoes, i.e., the grave. An example of 'eternal punishment' is this....say your child puts his hand on the stovetop and burns his hand, or whatever, and you punish your child, and upon the burn and the punishment given from his parents, he NEVER places his hand on the stovetop again....isn't this an eternal punishment? Gods judgments are just, righteous and serve purpose...most importantly is purpose, as He doesn't do anything in vain, which the literal eternal torture ultimately is...to place this kind of character attribute upon the God and Father of Christ is a lie, imho.

 

[Bluecomet]

The second death is eternal separation from God. The people in hell don't even remember God. Hell is just the opposite of what God is.

 

[fredjames]

Peace be with you, flesh and blood will perish here on earth but the one who have sown to the things of the flesh have corrupted their soul and will receive an eternal body of hell to suffer in hell. That is why when we are here on earth according the New Covenant Words of spirit and life which enriches our spirit as spirit man and not our soul have faithfully sown to things of the HOLY SPIRIT. Our soul must come in submission to the spirit man or women of CHRIST. Then the spirit man or women shall receive a heavenly body to worship the FATHER day and night in Heaven.

 

[Shiloah]

Doing alright I think.
Here's another one that challenges the modern ideas of hell / judgment day.

Psalm 4

I read it, Enoch. I still don't see the connection with what hell is. Ha.

 

[Shiloah]

Peace be with you, flesh and blood will perish here on earth but the one who have sown to the things of the flesh have corrupted their soul and will receive an eternal body of hell to suffer in hell. That is why when we are here on earth according the New Covenant Words of spirit and life which enriches our spirit as spirit man and not our soul have faithfully sown to things of the HOLY SPIRIT. Our soul must come in submission to the spirit man or women of CHRIST. Then the spirit man or women shall receive a heavenly body to worship the FATHER day and night in Heaven.

I'm surprised at this. This is all opinion not based on scripture. It also assumes a soul is immortal, which nowhere in scriptures does it say this. That's the crux, right there. We've been taught a soul is immortal. Genesis says it's not. God breathed into man THE BREATH OF LIFE and man BECAME a living soul, OR A LIVING BEING, OR A LIVING CREATURE. It depends on which translation you read. But the essence of even that is that man BECAME whatever he BECAME when the breath of life was breathed into him. Man did not become a living soul until that happened!

 

[NiceneCreed]

The second death is eternal separation from God. The people in hell don't even remember God. Hell is just the opposite of what God is.

Eureka! The second death is eternal separation from God; I could not agree more. Thank you very much for that input.

 

[NiceneCreed]

I'm surprised at this. This is all opinion not based on scripture. It also assumes a soul is immortal, which nowhere in scriptures does it say this. That's the crux, right there. We've been taught a soul is immortal. Genesis says it's not. God breathed into man THE BREATH OF LIFE and man BECAME a living soul, OR A LIVING BEING, OR A LIVING CREATURE. It depends on which translation you read. But the essence of even that is that man BECAME whatever he BECAME when the breath of life was breathed into him. Man did not become a living soul until that happened!

The soul is immortal. There are many things not explicitly stated in Scripture, but we infer a great deal from what Scripture does say. Do you remember the story of Lazarus' brother? How is it that his soul lived on, even in hell? Hell is eternal separation from God, but God does not teach annihilationism.

Grace and Peace!

 

[jimmydiggs]

I never asked if hell existed. I asked if one literally burns in hell, as I find it strange that flesh can burn for all eternity.

That is the result of a natural mind trying to grasp something supernatural.

 

[Shiloah]

That is the result of a natural mind trying to grasp something supernatural.

We're supposed to study and show ourselves approved, jimmydiggs. Obviously, the supernatural things we can't understand God doesn't require us to try to understand, such as exactly how He created life to start with. What He put in scripture though, I get the impression we're suppose to try to understand.

 

[Shiloah]

The soul is immortal. There are many things not explicitly stated in Scripture, but we infer a great deal from what Scripture does say. Do you remember the story of Lazarus' brother? How is it that his soul lived on, even in hell? Hell is eternal separation from God, but God does not teach annihilationism.

Grace and Peace!

We covered this. I believe this is a parable. That parable is the one and only passage in scripture that gives a reader the idea the soul is immortal. The one and only passage. There's no point in going back over the same territory though. Just saying something is so means nothing. It has to line up with every facet of scripture.