Acts 2:38 and baptism in Jesus name.

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eternally-gratefull said:

Which one? The HS baptism, or water baptism?
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Neither. The Spirit adopts us into the kingdom, not baptizes.

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ephesians 1:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, [SUP]6 [/SUP]To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Romans 8:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
 
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The jews were commanded to be circumcised, as a sign of the covenant, Yet it did not save them
We are commanded also (a sign of our covenant with God) but it DOES not save us any more than circumcision saved them.
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I disagree with both points. GOD does not save apart from covenant. Circumcision is/was the sign that one has/had entered into covenant with GOD, in the new and old covenants respectively.
 
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The 120 disciples were already saved in Acts before going into the upper room. Their baptism of the Spirit was a separate process, for the 3000 saved on the Day of Pentecost were not, neither did they show the same results.
 
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I have family members that are modelist and they believe that I am not saved. They say that I must be baptized in "Jesus name" to receive the Holy Ghost.
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If you have been immersed in the hope of God saving other people, you have been baptized in Jesus name.
Even if you've never heard of him, or he's not in your people's "religion"

( I don't like calling the Holy Spirit , the Holy Ghost , God is not a spook. ) any way, have you come across this? They believe that Jesus is the father , son , and the spirit. My arguement to them is, if Jesus is father son and spirit, then baptizing in the name of the father son and spirit , are you not baptizing in Jesus name ? I don't get it. They don't believe in the trinity though it is clearly taught in scripture.
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God is not a spook or ghost, but many people hold Him in no more esteem.
It's one name for all three, "Salvation"
If Christ is risen in you, and you receive the Holy Spirit, you are also the trinity. He is "Lord of hosts" and you, the temple, are supposed to be the host.

They are hung up on clothes worn , and seem to make up rules like the Pharisees. Also they say the only proof you are saved is speaking in tongues. Tongues is not even mentioned in Galatians as a fruit of the spirit. I would like to hear some of your comments on this.
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They are washing their clothes in their own blood, or the blood of others, not the blood of the Lamb.

Here is an example of speaking in tongues

"And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

because no matter what language you translate, speak or read in, you can always understand or have an interpreter of tongues explain that the very book the reader has in front of him, is a complete parable in "tongues" with underlying meaning, sealed up.
 
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The 120 disciples were already saved in Acts before going into the upper room. Their baptism of the Spirit was a separate process, for the 3000 saved on the Day of Pentecost were not, neither did they show the same results.
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That's a good point. Their names were written in the book of life well before Pentecost.

Also, they were water baptized unto John, but no mention is made that they were ever water baptized unto Jesus. Yet they water baptized in his name before Pentecost.
 
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The 120 disciples were already saved in Acts before going into the upper room. Their baptism of the Spirit was a separate process, for the 3000 saved on the Day of Pentecost were not, neither did they show the same results.
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the result is eternal life. being made alive in Christ, Not what gifts each person is giving. Thus I do not understand what your trying to say.
 
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God saved & baptized those at Cornelius' house because this way God proves there's no difference between Jews & gentiles. If they were only saved, it would have given the Jews the impression that gentiles were still 2nd class christians & that only jews could be bapt. in the H.S.
 
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Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling: One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

What is the one baptism?

I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Spirit. Mark 1:8

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word. (Acts 10:44) Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit. Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I that I could withstand God. (Acts 11:16)

The disciples continued to baptize in water in Acts . . . I believe it was because it was hard to break tradition; and when the disciples did baptize in water. . .they baptized in the name of Jesus. :)
 
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Neither. The Spirit adopts us into the kingdom, not baptizes.

Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, [SUP]5 [/SUP]To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Ephesians 1:5-6 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, [SUP]6 [/SUP]To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Romans 8:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
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lol niether? are you sure?

So romans 6 is not Spirit baptism?

John did not say we would be baptised with the HS

1 cor 12 is not spirit baptism?

titus 3: 5 (washing of the HS) is not spirit baptism?

col 2: 12 is not spirit baptism?

One must remember, the baptism of the spirit, and annointing of the spirit (which you are refering too) are two separate acts.

One cleanses us and regenerates. the other gives us power to do the things of God
 
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the result is eternal life. being made alive in Christ, Not what gifts each person is giving. Thus I do not understand what your trying to say.
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The Baptism in the Holy Spirit isn't a saving process. We are adopted by the Holy Ghost in that process.
 
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That is simple. Follow the paper trail as it were.
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I can say the same to you. You assume baptism means water, that would be a dangerous assumption.


Let's just deal with one thing at a time.
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we are dealing with one thing. If water baptism is essential for salvation, we are saved different than OT saints, in fact it is harder for us to get saved, because even though they were given MANY rules and regulations. NON of them were saved because of them. Thus you have God have them saved by faith alone, and us by faith plus works.. Why would God do this?
 
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eternally-gratefull said:

One must remember, the baptism of the spirit, and annointing of the spirit (which you are refering too) are two separate acts.
One cleanses us and regenerates. the other gives us power to do the things of God
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distinction without a difference.
 
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The Baptism in the Holy Spirit isn't a saving process. We are adopted by the Holy Ghost in that process.
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Um, Yes it is, It is because we are baptized into union with Christ, where we are placed into union with his death and burial. Our sins are washed away, YThis then allows us to be adopted by God.

without baptism of the spirit, we are still dead in our sin, because we have not been placed into union with christ.
 
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lol niether? are you sure?

So romans 6 is not Spirit baptism?

John did not say we would be baptised with the HS

1 cor 12 is not spirit baptism?

titus 3: 5 (washing of the HS) is not spirit baptism?

col 2: 12 is not spirit baptism?

One must remember, the baptism of the spirit, and annointing of the spirit (which you are refering too) are two separate acts.

One cleanses us and regenerates. the other gives us power to do the things of God
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No, they are not. Why would you assume they are? (And simply saying it is not an assumption does not answer the question). Show me grammatical evidence from each text that suggests this is anything other that water baptism.
 
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No, they are not. Why would you assume they are? (And simply saying it is not an assumption does not answer the question). Show me grammatical evidence from each text that suggests this is anything other that water baptism.
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1. Baptism is a verb, it means "to be placed into"
2. A fine example. The children of Isreal was baptized INTO moses" it was moses (the head) which they were placed into

Rom 6. Or do you not know you were baptized into HIS DEATH AND BURIAL - Baptizo is the verb, Death an dburial is the subject of the verb in which we are placed into

1. Cor 12. baptized INTO CHRIST

as the children of Isreal were placed into union (baptised) the head (moses) so we are placed into vital union (baptised) with our head (christ)

baptize is the verb, Christ is the subject of the verb, it is Christ we are placed (baptized) into. NOT WATER.

so tell me, Why would you want to replace the subject (death, burial and Christ) with water??

Your interpretation.

For we were baptized in water in death and also baptised in water in burial and also baptised in water in Christ.

you adding a different subject which is NOT FOUND in the verse. Thus your adding to the word of God

Stop making a religious work out of literal verb.
 
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Gentlemen, I am afraid I shall have to leave it with you for now. I have a class to teach. Talk to you later.
 
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Wow. After reading all this I had no idea baptism was so evil.

Sure, I felt God "tugging at my heart" one night in 1996. Tears streamed down my face. I was terrified. I couldn't control my tears.
I went to an elder of the congregation crying. Before I could open my mouth he said "I know".
I stood before the church and confessed Jesus was the Son of God, and was shortly baptized in the name of the Father, the son and the holy spirt.
When I came up from the water I felt different. I
Felt good. I KNEW I had been forgiven of my sins. I was a new creation, and I was RELIEVED.


Now, after reading some of the responses it seems uncontrollable tears, etc was nothing. It meant nothing and obviously not important. It also seems to be that people would label me as a nonchristian because of it.

This is really a shame.
 
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Wow. After reading all this I had no idea baptism was so evil.

Sure, I felt God "tugging at my heart" one night in 1996. Tears streamed down my face. I was terrified. I couldn't co trail my years.
I went to an elder of the congregation crying. Before I could open my mouth he said "I know".
I stood before the church and confessed Jesus was the Son of God, and was shortly baptized in the name of the Father, the son and the holy spirt.
When I came up from the water I felt different. I
Felt good. I KNEW I had been forgiven of my sins. I was a new creation, and I was RELIEVED.


Now, after reading some of the responses it seems uncontrollable tears, etc was nothing. It meant nothing and obviously not important. It also seems to be that people would label me as a nonchristian because of it.

This is really a shame.
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Nah sis, baptism is not evil. I remember my baptism like it was yesterday. My first step of faith in what God had done in my life. I felt tears, Joy and different also. Probably because it was at this point I proved to myself my faith was real (I had prayed many times for God to save me prior to this. But not until I sat down with someone and he explained the whole gospel to me did I actually trust that God would save me. I felt the exact same way then that I did when I became baptized)

Baptism is an awsome thing. No one is dishing it. we are just discussing its savability..
 
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Um, Yes it is, It is because we are baptized into union with Christ, where we are placed into union with his death and burial. Our sins are washed away, YThis then allows us to be adopted by God.

without baptism of the spirit, we are still dead in our sin, because we have not been placed into union with christ.
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The baptism into Christ & the Baptism in the Holy Spirit are also 2 different things.
 
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