Acts 2:38 and baptism in Jesus name.

[homwardbound]

My point is whether it is a symbol of our obedience or part of the supernatural, water baptism is required by Christ. I should say it should be intended, many Christians were martyred prior to their baptism, but they all intended to do so, because it was commanded by God, which makes it a necessity.

And for me and all, I am so elated to know God knows ones motive(s) behind the scene(s) and is why Father chooses who will receive and who will not,
You seem to me to be under Law and are doing in fear od not being saved if you do not do what is required.
Which makes void Christ:
Romans 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Romans 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us
Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Romans 14:9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.

And any adding to what is done is maybe you think unbelief in the finished work, where his death cleansed us in front of Father as Holy, before you or I were born here on earth from the womb, the water we were made in and born through, born in the son of Adam, dead to the Spirit of God, in need of Life, the Life of God's Spirit to lead us into truth, truth that sets one free.

the works project is very clear in the Law given to the first chosen through Moses, where no one could eve3r be perfect, and when Christ came he revealed this imperfection of us all being born first in the flesh as Son's of Adam you think?
How can unredeemed flesh be perfect, whether water Baptized or not? Can it be, it is unredeemed right?
So what is better to be a Johnny do-good er and look at me and what I am doing, watch my smoke?
Or reckon oneself dead to self with Christ at the death of Christ, then might see the new life in Spirit and truth as Paul said in Phil 3

 

[saved1975]

Thank you, for that, appreciated, now in the moving on part their, I see I think i see what you are saying we should work out our own salvation with fear and trembling, is that it?

And if so, do you not know, there are many that are trying real hard to do this and inside are very miserable, hearing thoughts to give up, walk away, you can't achieve, they behind closed doors have lust thoughts that kill them inside and do not know who to talk to, in fear of?
Not ever coming to the truth, being convinced that they have to proof themselves? There are many a people striving so hard and inside are so miserable, Gandhi was one, Mother Teresa was another, I was one as well at one time, not ever at rest while I was busy doing the Gospel as prescribed by this world
We the people look at them and are wow!!!!!!!!!!!! look at them, our role models, and yet inside in them, so miserable, been there and was told by the enemy to just give up, God does not love you, if God did you would be able to do what you desire to do, and not get angry ever again.

I rejected that thought and still do to this day and emptied me out on the table, and stopped all my good works, and said Father I am the clay, mold me to what you want, I am undone, ready to be what you want me to be, and hjeard just love, at rest, just love all and be at rest in that.
Have not regretted this as I go on each and every day learning to remain the news boy Father made me to be, and stopped being the editor the world made me to be
Romans 12:2
And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

2 Thessalonians 1:11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:

Philippians 2:12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Philippians 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

The Bible says, work out your salvation, Not WORK FOR IT.
and why some people are miserable, is because they are worj for their salvation instead of trusting the finished work of Jesus.
Some are miserable because they are trying to things in their own strength, and fail.
Instead if doing things IN CHRIST, (In the Anointing).
There's no greater joy then to be living in Christ, living for Him and doing things in the Anointed one and His Anointing.

A person cannot be living for Jesus, and be miserable. .. as Jesus gives us joy.

 

[endtimes]

However, we can easily debunk this by asking whether the criminal on the cross was saved. Jesus said that the thief on the cross next to him would be in paradise with him that day. But the repentent thief wasn't baptized. Many others were baptized with John's baptism. Later they were baptized into Christ.

As you mentioned, they have women's hair requirements which are 'supposed' to align with 1Cor11. But if you look at verse 16, it says that 'if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.' So it isn't a strict requirement as they propose.

The thief on the cross could not have entered into heaven via New Testament because Jesus was not YET dead, buried, resurrected. Jesus said that we MUST be born again or we Cannot enter into the kingdom. he then said that it was being born of water and spirit. Later, under the moving of the Holy Spirit, Peter said that to be saved was to:

1) Repent
2) Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sin
3) Receive the Holy Spirit


Again, the thief on the cross could not have entered into heaven as a "Born Again" believer because Jesus was not yet dead. Therefore he entered into heaven through Old Testament.

God bless!

 

[Alligator]

I got started in the UPC church when I first came to Christ 18 years ago. They are very centralized around these few doctrines. When I was a new believer, it really screwed me up and confused me. They believe in 'baptism salvation' and the other things you mentioned.

However, we can easily debunk this by asking whether the criminal on the cross was saved. Jesus said that the thief on the cross next to him would be in paradise with him that day. But the repentent thief wasn't baptized. Many others were baptized with John's baptism. Later they were baptized into Christ.

As you mentioned, they have women's hair requirements which are 'supposed' to align with 1Cor11. But if you look at verse 16, it says that 'if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, neither the churches of God.' So it isn't a strict requirement as they propose.

Your spidey senses are correct. : )

The thief on the cross could not have entered into heaven via New Testament because Jesus was not YET dead, buried, resurrected. Jesus said that we MUST be born again or we Cannot enter into the kingdom. he then said that it was being born of water and spirit. Later, under the moving of the Holy Spirit, Peter said that to be saved was to:

1) Repent
2) Baptized in Jesus name for the remission of sin
3) Receive the Holy Spirit


Again, the thief on the cross could not have entered into heaven as a "Born Again" believer because Jesus was not yet dead. Therefore he entered into heaven through Old Testament.

God bless!

This is true. See Hebrews 9:16-17. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

 

[livingepistle]

The UPCI have it wrong. Jesus himself gave us the formula for baptism: "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" (Matt 28:19). Baptism “in Jesus' name” simply means it is under His authority however, it is important to include all members of the Trinity. In addition, the scripture does not teach tongues as proof of salvation. The Holy Spirit who indwells at the moment of regeneration gives assurance of salvation, and as a result one produces the fruit of the Spirit. (Rom 8:16, Eph 1:13).

Hello Starfield

I have a question for you, "Since Jesus gave us the formula for baptism, why did the Apostles disobey Him. I cannot find any references where after Jesus' crucifixion did any first century saint baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This did not occur until the Fourth Century under and after The First Council of Nicaea in Bithynia ordered by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325"?

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible, Greek and Biblical Greek scholars say the "Water" in John 3: 5, is the word,
Jn 15: 3. Eph 5: 26. James 1: 18.
1 Pet 1: 22--23.

Jesus didn't say we must be born of the Spirit and BAPTISED IN WATER, He said Born of the Spirit and water.
Five times Jesus mentions either born again, Or born of the Spirit, In John 3: 3--8, And not ONE mention of water baptism.
You cannot make a doctrine of water baptism out of John 3: 3--8.

[h=3]John 3:5[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

[h=3]John 3:6[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.




So was he saying first born from the womb, as when the water breaks mankind comes out as a son of Adam and needs to be born again, not of flesh (water) but of Spirit and truth, especially since
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

 

[homwardbound]

The Bible says, work out your salvation, Not WORK FOR IT.
and why some people are miserable, is because they are worj for their salvation instead of trusting the finished work of Jesus.
Some are miserable because they are trying to things in their own strength, and fail.
Instead if doing things IN CHRIST, (In the Anointing).
There's no greater joy then to be living in Christ, living for Him and doing things in the Anointed one and His Anointing.

A person cannot be living for Jesus, and be miserable. .. as Jesus gives us joy.

A big Amen, Brother

 

[homwardbound]

This is true. See Hebrews 9:16-17. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

Yet by Faith that thief was saved just as all the First Testament Saints were and are, It has always been by Faith that one is saved and Faith is belief, no doubts, God's Mercy is there for all to receive and be

Note: All these scriptures in the second Testament, (New) before the cross was done? So these are a part of the First Testament, while Christ was fulfilling the Law of Moses, he said:
Luke 7:50 And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.\
Luke 18:42 And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.
[h=3]Luke 8:48[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]48 [/SUP]And he said unto her, Daughter, be of good comfort: thy faith hath made thee whole; go in peace.




[h=3]Luke 18:42[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]42 [/SUP]And Jesus said unto him, Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.

 

[homwardbound]

Hello Starfield

I have a question for you, "Since Jesus gave us the formula for baptism, why did the Apostles disobey Him. I cannot find any references where after Jesus' crucifixion did any first century saint baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. This did not occur until the Fourth Century under and after The First Council of Nicaea in Bithynia ordered by the Roman Emperor Constantine I in AD 325"?

Bottom line: either one believes God or one does not, there is no partial, I beleive this and do not believe that, and if one is growing and learning leaving trash behind as they see waht is beneficial and what is not, then Fruit os being Shown between them and Father through Son, no need for others to approve when one is already approved
Ephesians 1:6 to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.