Latter Rain - discussion

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zone

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Latter Rain Movement may refer to:

"Latter Rain" is a term used in Holiness and Pentecostal movements.

Latter Rain (1880s movement) was a precursor to modern Pentecostalism.

Latter Rain Mission International

Latter Rain (post–World War II movement) originated within Pentecostalism during the late 1940s.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latter_Rain_Movement

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for discussion:)
 
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1still_waters

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Be careful of conflating them with dominionists/reconstructionists/post-mills.
Most dominionists/reconstructionists/post-mills avoid the Fruit Loops "manifestation" theologies associated with latter rain.
 

zone

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Latter Rain

Latter Rain revival, early name for the Pentecostal movement within U.S. Protestantism; it began in the late 19th and early 20th centuries in Tennessee and North Carolina and took its name from the “latter rain” referred to in Joel 2:23. The Bible passage states that the former (fall) rain and latter (spring) rain were poured down from God. These rains marked the beginning and end of the Jewish harvest. According to Pentecostal interpretation, the “former rain” referred to speaking in tongues during the first Christian Pentecost, when the Holy Spirit was poured down on the followers of Christ, and the “latter rain” referred to a second period, when people would again receive the Holy Spirit and speak in tongues as a sign that the Second Coming of Christ would soon occur.

Latter Rain revival (Pentecostalism) -- Encyclopedia Britannica


or any other thoughts on Latter Rain.
for discussion.
 
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1still_waters

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Peter covered it in Acts 2.
This is that which....
Not...this isn't that which, so wait for a second rain some day...


[SUP]14 [/SUP]But Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice, and proclaimed to them: “Men of Judah and all you residents of Jerusalem, let me explain this[SUP][b][/SUP] to you and pay attention to my words. [SUP]15 [/SUP]For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it’s only nine in the morning.[SUP][c][/SUP] [SUP]16 [/SUP]On the contrary, this is what was spoken through the prophet Joel:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]


 

zone

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you trying to shut this down early Still?:)
(i hope so..'bout time you showed up)
 
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1still_waters

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Plus how can they expect a latter rain, where the Spirit is poured out, masses of people are changed, when their eschatology demands that the world falls apart, only to be followed by a last minute beaming up to escape the church's failure to impact culture?

If there is truly a latter rain, it logically follows that the world will be drastically changed so much, that the world will actually be better off, and a rapture won't be needed to escape all of the evil.
 

zone

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long story short - the two rains are about...........drum roll:





RAIN.

precipitation.

still open to being convinced it really is code for the N.A.R. though.
for discussion.
 
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1still_waters

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long story short - the two rains are about...........drum roll:





RAIN.

precipitation.

still open to being convinced it really is code for the N.A.R. though.
for discussion.
Amill takes rain talk at face value?

Does someone have a temperature?:p
 
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ed2

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I have been told that I am Pentecostal. I see these two rains as literal rain. Not some mystical, hidden meaning in scripture. We have had some real loons come out of the Pentecostal movement. Brownsville and Toronto come to mind. That's what happens when people put so called personal revelation before the word of God and go un-challenged. I have been ran out of a couple of Pentecostal churches for speaking up against some of the things that were going on. There are some good Pentecostals out there that believe the Bible is the final authority in faith and practice, not some personal experience or revelation. The scatter brain, i mean latter rain folks are not in this group.

Eddie
 
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1still_waters

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Doesn't Latter Rain contradict themselves on their view of God's sovereignty too?

I mean on one hand, if you ask them why the gifts ceased for over 1000 years, they'll say because people grew cold, lacked faith, etc. Thus putting the operation of "gifts" under the control of man.

Yet in order to believe in a latter rain, you have to leave the presence or non-presence of "gifts" totally in the hands of God, as you go about proclaiming that he's sovereignly fulfilling a prophecy made long ago.

So on one hand,the gifts were gone for 100s of years due to man's failure, yet they come back as an act of God.
Which actually implies that maybe the lack of "gifts" for 100s of years had nothing to do with cold hearts or lack of faith. Maybe it simply had to do with God's sovereignty.
 
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ed2

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I talked to a group of these folks a while back. They were telling me that God is restoring the five-fold ministry gifts. I tried to explain to them that I could only identify four to start with, was God adding another one He didn't tell us about? The way I interpret the ministry gifts, pastor/teacher is the same office. They said teacher refers to Sunday School teachers. I then tried to teach them how to interpret the Scriptures by explaining that we can't make the text say something the original author didn't intend to say. Since there was no Sunday School back then, the office of teacher was not a SS teacher. Anyway, it was to no avail. One even tried to tell me that God "just then" revealed to him something God wanted me to do. I don't remember exactly what it was but I asked him was it authoratative, and he said yes, it was authoratative, and if I didn't do it I would be disobeying God. I couldn't take no more and politely excused myself. Some people?

Eddie
 

zone

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I talked to a group of these folks a while back. They were telling me that God is restoring the five-fold ministry gifts. I tried to explain to them that I could only identify four to start with, was God adding another one He didn't tell us about? The way I interpret the ministry gifts, pastor/teacher is the same office. They said teacher refers to Sunday School teachers. I then tried to teach them how to interpret the Scriptures by explaining that we can't make the text say something the original author didn't intend to say. Since there was no Sunday School back then, the office of teacher was not a SS teacher. Anyway, it was to no avail. One even tried to tell me that God "just then" revealed to him something God wanted me to do. I don't remember exactly what it was but I asked him was it authoratative, and he said yes, it was authoratative, and if I didn't do it I would be disobeying God. I couldn't take no more and politely excused myself. Some people?

Eddie
LOL@eddie.
and there's where we run into a problem.
 

zone

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Latter Rain movement

The Latter Rain Movement as currently constituted grew out of events at Sharon Orphanage and Schools at North Battleford, Saskatchewan between 1947 and 1948.

Religious observers marked the start of a new movement within the Pentecostal family of churches around the world because of new, some would say radical, ideas about certain Scriptures expressed at this point by those who were to become the movement's leaders. Believers in this theology think that this "new wave" of the Spirit was the "latter rain" referred to in such Bible passages as Jeremiah 3:3 and 5:2, Joel 2:23, Hosea 6:3, Zechariah 10:1, and James 5:7. To some of its followers, these events marked the most important developments in Pentecostal Christianity since the Azusa Street Revival.

Beliefs.....

The latter rain. Central to the Latter Rain movement was an expectation of the imminent return of Jesus. Based on an allegorical interpretation of scriptures such as Joel 2:23, the movement held that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit on Pentecost had been the "former rain" that established the Church, and that the current "move" of the Spirit was the "latter rain" that would bring the Church's work to completion, and culminate in the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

The baptism of the holy spirit. Unlike mainstream Pentecostalism, which holds that the baptism of the Holy Spirit usually comes after prolonged "tarrying" or waiting for the Spirit, the Latter Rain movement taught that the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the gifts of the Holy Spirit can be imparted on one believer by another through the "laying on of hands."

The fivefold ministry. The Latter Rain taught that of the five ministerial roles mentioned in Ephesians 4:11 (apostle, prophet, evangelist, pastor, teacher), the foundational roles of apostle and prophet had been stolen from the Church by Satan, but that God was restoring these ministries in the present day.

Christian ecumenism. The Latter Rain taught that God saw the church organized not into denominational camps, but along geographical lines. They expected that in the coming last days, the various Christian denominations would dissolve, and the true church would coalesce into citywide churches under the leadership of the newly-restored apostles and prophets.

The Manifest(ed) Sons of God. Some leaders of the Latter Rain movement taught that as the end of the age approached, a select group of "overcomers" would arise within the Church. These Manifest Sons of God would receive the "spiritual bodies" mentioned in 1 Corinthians 15. They would become immortal, and receive a number of divine gifts, including the ability to change their physical appearance, to speak any language, to teleport from place to place, and to perform divine healings and other miracles. They would complete the Great Commission, spreading the gospel throughout the world, and at last usher in the millennial reign of Christ.

http://www.theopedia.com/Latter_Rain_movement < click more
 

notuptome

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Very informative. I guess I should have guessed that someone would make a movement out of the latter rain. Yes there is a former rain and a latter rain necessary to crop production in Israel. Perfect illustration of God's blessing upon Israel. There is a spiritual application to this natural event. Peter related the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and it's manifestation with signs as part of Joel's prophecy. The part of there being signs in the heavens was not fulfilled at Pentacost. In light of the evidence that the sign gifts have ceased during this part of the church age we should expect a latter rain when the sign gifts will again be in evidence. Since we are told that Jesus will return first for His church and then for His brethren Israel it is expected that the rest of Joel will be fulfilled at that time. A latter rain again evidenced in Jewish people. Competing theologies no doubt make this a matter of some controversy. Let's see what develops.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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We don't get any rain in north central kansas, or so it seems.
 

notuptome

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We don't get any rain in north central kansas, or so it seems.
Folks in Florida have plenty and expect a bunch more. Perhaps they will share with you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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jimmydiggs

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Folks in Florida have plenty and expect a bunch more. Perhaps they will share with you.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
Give us an inch a day for five days, put a dry day between each.
 

JaumeJ

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Could the latter rain and the former rain be two times of great salvation? Just a thought, not a dogma.