The Jezebel Spirit
- Thread starter Stephen63
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
1
James 3
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But if you have bitter envy and self-seeking in your hearts, do not boast and lie against the truth. [SUP]15 [/SUP]This wisdom does not descend from above, but is earthly, sensual, demonic.[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where envy and self-seeking exist, confusion and every evil thing are there. [SUP]17 [/SUP]But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy. [SUP]18 [/SUP]Now the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.
If I am reading Bible correctly you're not going to like the answer. Satan is a deceiver and he will be judged for the evil he did,he will not be judged for what men and women do. Men and women are judged for the evil in their hearts and what they do. The Bible is very clear on that. People love to use him as a scapegoat for everything. But God will not allow us to do that.
G
Rev. 2 :
-------
God showed compassion to Jezebel, who forsook His compassion.
God dealt, ever so severely, with all those who partook of Jezebel's suggestive behavior. It looks to me like Jezebel herself did not commit any sins physically with men, she simply stirred the 'fire,' so to speak, and, provided stones for folks who were ripe for sinning, hence, these folks stoned themselves, if you will.
This is just said for some perspective, plus, it appears to me that Jezebel was not with a demonic spirit or else Scripture would tell us she was demon possessed, she was, though, a teacher, and, a very 'false' one, at that.
We can also learn that sexual immorality is a big thing, it can affect not only your life's tenure but those of your 'children' too
And when anyone commits an act of evil, like this Jezebel, make no mistake, The Devil is the one who makes them do it . In other words, one can sin without being demon possessed, in fact, WE ALL do that kind of sinning all the time. Hopefully, we repent, and, we WILL repent if we know what's good for us-- and, repent, that's just to ask God for forgiveness and turn from what bad we were doing.
We don't repent of EVEN THE LITTLE sins we KNOW we do, and, that's our not listening to God , and, that's called disobedience. We all do 'it,' that's fine, what's not fine, is recognizing that our flesh is real but Christ in us is infinitely more powerful than our fleshly sinning body.
-------
God showed compassion to Jezebel, who forsook His compassion.
God dealt, ever so severely, with all those who partook of Jezebel's suggestive behavior. It looks to me like Jezebel herself did not commit any sins physically with men, she simply stirred the 'fire,' so to speak, and, provided stones for folks who were ripe for sinning, hence, these folks stoned themselves, if you will.
This is just said for some perspective, plus, it appears to me that Jezebel was not with a demonic spirit or else Scripture would tell us she was demon possessed, she was, though, a teacher, and, a very 'false' one, at that.
We can also learn that sexual immorality is a big thing, it can affect not only your life's tenure but those of your 'children' too
And when anyone commits an act of evil, like this Jezebel, make no mistake, The Devil is the one who makes them do it . In other words, one can sin without being demon possessed, in fact, WE ALL do that kind of sinning all the time. Hopefully, we repent, and, we WILL repent if we know what's good for us-- and, repent, that's just to ask God for forgiveness and turn from what bad we were doing. We don't repent of EVEN THE LITTLE sins we KNOW we do, and, that's our not listening to God , and, that's called disobedience. We all do 'it,' that's fine, what's not fine, is recognizing that our flesh is real but Christ in us is infinitely more powerful than our fleshly sinning body.
Last edited by a moderator:
G
And, this too, this choosing to do sins, don't kid yourself, Satan and his demons are OUT THERE leading you (misleading) to your OWN destruction.
I don't like the Jezebel spirit definition because most people are not with demon possession in their body but they STILL can do evil things, sin, and, still be a Christian, follower of God.
I don't like the Jezebel spirit definition because most people are not with demon possession in their body but they STILL can do evil things, sin, and, still be a Christian, follower of God.
Remember what Eve was told in the Garden......... you shall not surely die. Eve was enticed...... by evil influence.
A righteous man in Christ is Spirit led (influenced).
A wicked man in the world is spirit led (influenced), just by a different spirit.
The one who we allow to influence us is our god. The only difference is, possession is by force.
Jesus knocks on our door, asking to come in........ Satan infiltrates until he gets full control.
This spiritual problem is Satan-influenced because that person is after control........ dominance.
This earthly, sensual, demonic person will give their victim all the good ideas & show them what to do, according to them, to be the best. They will tell them how proud they are of them, pumping them up so they can influence them more. The victim believes they're growing & maturing, when all they're really doing is losing control of their lives. After a while, the victim becomes spiritually blind. The only "truth" they can see is the influence of the ESD. Everybody else is wrong. The little minority is right. They will be totally convinced because after all, "few there be that find it".
Don't believe it? The victim will begin to look forward to every opportunity to be in the ESD's company, only feeling good when they are present. The victim will be impressed by their wisdom, & eventually worshipping them to some degree. Unnatural adoration of someone is worship.
When we think of leader worship, we usually think of Jim Jones or David Koresh. The style & method of ESD's are the same, just on a smaller level.
A righteous man in Christ is Spirit led (influenced).
A wicked man in the world is spirit led (influenced), just by a different spirit.
The one who we allow to influence us is our god. The only difference is, possession is by force.
Jesus knocks on our door, asking to come in........ Satan infiltrates until he gets full control.
This spiritual problem is Satan-influenced because that person is after control........ dominance.
This earthly, sensual, demonic person will give their victim all the good ideas & show them what to do, according to them, to be the best. They will tell them how proud they are of them, pumping them up so they can influence them more. The victim believes they're growing & maturing, when all they're really doing is losing control of their lives. After a while, the victim becomes spiritually blind. The only "truth" they can see is the influence of the ESD. Everybody else is wrong. The little minority is right. They will be totally convinced because after all, "few there be that find it".
Don't believe it? The victim will begin to look forward to every opportunity to be in the ESD's company, only feeling good when they are present. The victim will be impressed by their wisdom, & eventually worshipping them to some degree. Unnatural adoration of someone is worship.
When we think of leader worship, we usually think of Jim Jones or David Koresh. The style & method of ESD's are the same, just on a smaller level.
G
Great summation of a Jezebel person in a church, and, again, I don't think a person has a bad spirit , most of the time, there often just influenced from naive understanding of who Christ really is and what it really means to be a Christian.
There is a book you might like to read, stephenspeaks, it's by Stephen Arteburn, I forget the name of it but it's about enablers and the abuse that they allow themselves to suffer and become accustomed and hooked to the perpertrating abuser's controlling, manipulative, and, yes, sometimes, not always, but sometimes, the behavior can be sensual, or, demonic, and, of course, it can be earthly, if that means 'worldly.' Because doing things of a hurtful nature to another human being, God will win in the end because He is 'greater.'
There is a book you might like to read, stephenspeaks, it's by Stephen Arteburn, I forget the name of it but it's about enablers and the abuse that they allow themselves to suffer and become accustomed and hooked to the perpertrating abuser's controlling, manipulative, and, yes, sometimes, not always, but sometimes, the behavior can be sensual, or, demonic, and, of course, it can be earthly, if that means 'worldly.' Because doing things of a hurtful nature to another human being, God will win in the end because He is 'greater.'
G
Again, no, as I say above, a person can be working against Christ unknowingly. In their heart, they want to be following God but The Enemy (this is Satan) has himself and his demons at work against the believer who is being DECEIVED. And, as said too, make no mistake, if you are not for God YOU are against Him. Scripture is clear on this too, read Luke 9 and 11
The Holy Spirit tells us, Stephan and we thus know and not for the purpose to bash, yet to be aware, harmless as a dove.
It is amazing to me what truth's are used to deceive by demons, and one can learn a lot if one listens to God through the Holy Spirit, residing in them, separating error(s) from truth, seeing the difference in will (self will) and God's Spirit will, from God through you
As Jesus said
Matthew 7:15 [ You Will Know Them by Their Fruits ] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[h=3]Galatians 4:12-31[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all. [SUP]13 [/SUP]You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What then was the blessing you enjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you, [SUP]20 [/SUP]I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
[h=3]Two Covenants[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? [SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [SUP]24 [/SUP]which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
It is amazing to me what truth's are used to deceive by demons, and one can learn a lot if one listens to God through the Holy Spirit, residing in them, separating error(s) from truth, seeing the difference in will (self will) and God's Spirit will, from God through you
As Jesus said
Matthew 7:15 [ You Will Know Them by Their Fruits ] “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.
[h=3]Galatians 4:12-31[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Brethren, I urge you to become like me, for I became like you. You have not injured me at all. [SUP]13 [/SUP]You know that because of physical infirmity I preached the gospel to you at the first. [SUP]14 [/SUP]And my trial which was in my flesh you did not despise or reject, but you received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. [SUP]15 [/SUP]What then was the blessing you enjoyed? For I bear you witness that, if possible, you would have plucked out your own eyes and given them to me. [SUP]16 [/SUP]Have I therefore become your enemy because I tell you the truth?
[SUP]17 [/SUP]They zealously court you, but for no good; yes, they want to exclude you, that you may be zealous for them. [SUP]18 [/SUP]But it is good to be zealous in a good thing always, and not only when I am present with you. [SUP]19 [/SUP]My little children, for whom I labor in birth again until Christ is formed in you, [SUP]20 [/SUP]I would like to be present with you now and to change my tone; for I have doubts about you.
[h=3]Two Covenants[/h][SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, you who desire to be under the law, do you not hear the law? [SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons: the one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]But he who was of the bondwoman was born according to the flesh, and he of the freewoman through promise, [SUP]24 [/SUP]which things are symbolic. For these are the two covenants: the one from Mount Sinai which gives birth to bondage, which is Hagar— [SUP]25 [/SUP]for this Hagar is Mount Sinai in Arabia, and corresponds to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children— [SUP]26 [/SUP]but the Jerusalem above is free, which is the mother of us all. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:
“Rejoice, O barren,
You who do not bear!
Break forth and shout,
You who are not in labor!
For the desolate has many more children
Than she who has a husband.”
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Nevertheless what does the Scripture say? “Cast out the bondwoman and her son, for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman but of the free.
I see it as she has the Spirit of error
1 John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
The fight, flesh and blood or God's Spirit of truth?
1 John 4:6 We are of God. He who knows God hears us; he who is not of God does not hear us. By this we know the spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
The fight, flesh and blood or God's Spirit of truth?
Matthew 10:16 [ Persecutions Are Coming ] “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
Discernment, to when one is of the flesh and masquerades as not?
Only in the Spirit of God can God be worshipped, clear as a bell to me at least
Discernment, to when one is of the flesh and masquerades as not?
Only in the Spirit of God can God be worshipped, clear as a bell to me at least
- John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him.
- John 4:24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
- John 14:17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
- John 16:13
- Ephesians 5:9 (for the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness, righteousness, and truth),
- 2 Thessalonians 2:13 [ Stand Fast ] But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God from the beginning chose you for salvation through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth,
Flesh and blood does not please God. The only flesh and blood that ever pleased God is Christ Jesus. Whom came as a life-giving Spirit to us all that believe. Now this Spirit of truth from God was not given until the day of Pentecost. And today is given by God from God by the resurrected Christ to all that believe God, first that God through Christ took away the sdin of the world as John was a witness to it's coming
John 1:29 [ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Then when Christ did this, it was so he could present you, me and all that believe as
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
Why? so you ,me and all who believe are born again by and from God a gift to you, you and you
This is what is so amazing about God in God's Mercy
Now we can take advantage or we can appreciate, now if one take advantage, how will one escape
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
John 1:29 [ The Lamb of God ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!
Then when Christ did this, it was so he could present you, me and all that believe as
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight—
Why? so you ,me and all who believe are born again by and from God a gift to you, you and you
This is what is so amazing about God in God's Mercy
Now we can take advantage or we can appreciate, now if one take advantage, how will one escape
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
I am not LDS, yet in my experience I have seen far more love out of them than any other Gathering, and as all earthly Churches have error, yet Christ is preached, whether as deity or not. the Savior is being preached and I am sure those that want to know God over their denomination, God the Father will and does bring those to him through Charts his Son, all the world's propitiation for sin
[h=3]1 John 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
So are we going to take this deeply in appreciation of just gloss over it?
[h=3]1 John 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
So are we going to take this deeply in appreciation of just gloss over it?
None other than the flesh Spirit of selfishness that all are originally born with except Christ. And maybe this is why Christ said
[h=3]John 3:4-8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
So either we are of the flesh or the Spirit of God, The Spirit of God can do no harm, yet the flesh is a mighty deceiver to self gain. Does good to get good in return just as the heathen do
Matthew 6:1
[ Do Good to Please God ] “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
Our motive is what we all will be judged by
[h=3]John 3:4-8[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [SUP]6 [/SUP]That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’
[SUP]8 [/SUP]
The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
So either we are of the flesh or the Spirit of God, The Spirit of God can do no harm, yet the flesh is a mighty deceiver to self gain. Does good to get good in return just as the heathen do
Matthew 6:1
[ Do Good to Please God ] “Take heed that you do not do your charitable deeds before men, to be seen by them. Otherwise you have no reward from your Father in heaven.
Our motive is what we all will be judged by
LOVE?
John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."
Galatians 1
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
anathema: that which is laid up, i.e. a votive offering
Original Word: ἀνάθεμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anathema
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ath'-em-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, a cursed thing
Definition: a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.
331 anáthema (from 303 /aná, "up" concluding a process, which intensifies 5087 /títhēmi, "to place") – properly, place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."
[331 (anáthema) is the root of the English word, "anathema."]
it appears some things are non-negotiable.
John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."
Galatians 1
No Other Gospel
6I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
anathema: that which is laid up, i.e. a votive offering
Original Word: ἀνάθεμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: anathema
Phonetic Spelling: (an-ath'-em-ah)
Short Definition: a curse, a cursed thing
Definition: a votive offering, a thing devoted to God; a curse, the thing cursed.
331 anáthema (from 303 /aná, "up" concluding a process, which intensifies 5087 /títhēmi, "to place") – properly, place up, referring to something pledged (given up) to destruction; a divine curse/ban ("accursed"); an "oath-curse."
[331 (anáthema) is the root of the English word, "anathema."]
it appears some things are non-negotiable.