Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[WomanLovesTX]

I celebrate Passover to remember how God miraculously saved His people. And more importantly, I celebrate Passover to remember how Jesus miraculously saved me and brought me from death to life. I celebrate Passover Because God said to do it forever. Exodus 12:24-27 "And you shall observe this event as an ordinance for you and your children forever. 25 When you enter the land which the Lord will give you, as He has promised, you shall observe this rite. 26 And when your children say to you, ‘What does this rite mean to you?’ 27 you shall say, ‘It is a Passover sacrifice to the Lord who passed over the houses of the sons of Israel in Egypt when He smote the Egyptians, but spared our homes.’”And the people bowed low and worshiped".
I celebrate Passover because Jesus celebrated it. Luke 22:14-19 "14 When the hour had come, He reclined at the table, and the apostles with Him. 15 And He said to them, “I have earnestly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; 16 for I say to you, I shall never again eat it until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.” 17 And when He had taken a cup and given thanks, He said, “Take this and share it among yourselves; 18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.” 19 And when He had taken some bread and given thanks, He broke it and gave it to them, saying, “This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”

I continue to celebrate Passover because there isn't a single scripture where Jesus says to not do it. I continue to celebrate it because there isn't a single scripture where the disciples or Paul says not to do it.

And I'm willing to bet that almost everyone in here who keeps a physical Passover would say that they are celebrating the life, death, resurrection and gracious salvation of Jesus.

Have a great day everyone!
Matt

Matt, I too celebrate Passover for the same reason. I know traditional mainstream Christianity celebrates Easter. That is a man-made tradition and no where in the Bible is it said to do. Aside from where Easter origin comes from (paganism), it is adding to God's instructions which we are instructed not to do.

 

[just-me]

You just proved the point I was making. Thank you??? I guess...

Instead of looking at the shadow and being uplifted by the shadow that explains other shadows, why not look to the Lord Jesus and give people your words of your own testimony?

Or is this your testimony? That you love looking to the law because it uplifts you?

WhatI am saying is that there are accusations that come from the Christian sectwhen a person dares to mention the Mosaic Law like they what to be under itagain, and that they are presenting false doctrines, and somehow saying theywant to kill animals again, and are somehow trapped. It's irritating to say the least. And I prove your point? What is your point? I haven't picked up anything except denial, with accusations of legalismand Judaism without Christ when no one here has denied Christ Jesus in any wayshape or form. So what point have I proven that you are trying to tell themasses?

 

[unclefester]

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[just-me]

Matt, I too celebrate Passover for the same reason. I know traditional mainstream Christianity celebrates Easter. That is a man-made tradition and no where in the Bible is it said to do. Aside from where Easter origin comes from (paganism), it is adding to God's instructions which we are instructed not to do.

James 4:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

Romans 8:1-5 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.

Keep the feasts, celebrate the Passover, and trust in Christ. There are good things in those. As was said before, and I don't recollect who, that keeping the feasts are a reminder of what God has done, and Christ has completed. If it builds faith, and we are justified by faith, then that's the right thing to do.

Colossians 2:16-19 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind,
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.

AMEN SIS!!! Keep it up!

 

[just-me]

I understand celebrating the Lord Jesus Christ saving you.

I don't understand celebrating the shadow that was fulfilled. I don't understand how you can be saved by the Lord Jesus and not know that His Way supercedes the old.

Jesus never said that he came to “supercede” what His Father endorsed, and had given since the beginning of time.

Here’s what the definitions are;

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[TD]Take the place of (a person or thing previously in authority or use); supplant: "the older models have now been superseded".[/TD]
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[TD]supplant - replace - substitute - displace[/TD]
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1. ful·fill
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[TD]1. Bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted).
2. Gain happiness or satisfaction by fully developing one's abilities or character.[/TD]
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[TD]fulfil - accomplish - carry out - perform - execute[/TD]
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[TD]Use the right terms and then we might be able to see your point.[/TD]
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[just-us-2]

this isn't referring to false christs and false gospels.
it's about sins of the flesh.

That may be the case and I don't mean to sound argumentative, but I have always taken the instruction to correct our brothers and sisters with a demeanor of love, regardless of the cause of the correcting, as what God expects of us. I could be wrong but this is just how I how I take this.

 

[KohenMatt]

I understand celebrating the Lord Jesus Christ saving you.

I don't understand celebrating the shadow that was fulfilled. I don't understand how you can be saved by the Lord Jesus and not know that His Way supercedes the old.

But you don't see it that way. You see it as a mixing of the two. You can do both at the same time. Fulfill the commandment in your own power and walk in the saving Grace of the Lord Jesus.

For Salvation, Yeshua's death and the Salvation it offers is the ONLY way. Nothing supercedes that. The thing is though, it's always been that way. The Torah or the Law was never meant to offer salvation. So it's not really up for debate whether Jesus' salvation "supercedes" the Old. They're 2 different things.

So now that my salvation is securely set in Jesus' life, death and resurrection, I can try to honor Him as best as I can with daily life. That is where the Torah is a benefit. It teaches how to live on a daily basis? Is it the only way? Of course not.

No one here is trying to say the Torah has any bearing on our salvation. You're the only one trying to make that argument. We're all talking about daily living.

 

[Torah]

[SUP]8 [/SUP]Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hbr 7:12 KJV - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
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I think a there is a lot of confusion about what was actually replaced/changed by the new covenant. I believe and I am convinced that the Scriptures bear out that Messiah, as the Perfect Sacrificial Lamb, once and for all replaced the Levitical Priesthood but left the law/Torah in place.

See it in Scripture
In Exodus chapters 20-23, YHWH lists over 60 commandments that Israel accepts. Moses writes them down on a scroll by hand then Israel ratifies the covenant the next morning.

Exd 24:3 KJV - And Moses came and told the people all the words of YHWH, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which YHWH hath said will we do.

Exd 24:4 KJV - And Moses wrote all the words of YHWH(Torah), and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exd 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the YHWH hath said will we do, and be obedient. This is the written Torah

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Then 5 verses later, YHWH invites Moses to join Him on Mt. Sinai.

Exd 24:12 KJV - And the YHWH said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them”. This is an invitation to receive the instructions for the Tabernacle/Priesthood
​

In Chapters 25-31 Moses learns about the construction and components of the Tabernacle. After 40 days and nights Moses comes down from Sinai with the Tables of Testimony (the tutor that points to Messiah) that has been written by the hand of YHWH:

Exd 31:18 KJV - And He gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of YHWH.
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As you can see, two laws were given at Sinai, the Law of Moses (Ex 24:7) then the Law of Animal Sacrifice aka Tablets of the Testimony (Ex 31:18). What is learned from the above verses is that there are 2 provisions in YHWH’s system of salvation: (i) the rules of conduct (law/Torah) and (ii) mercy for violation of those rules (Blood Sacrifice). One written by the hand of Moses the other by the finger of YHWH. This remains consistent in both testaments.

Isa 8:20 KJV - To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Rev 14:12 KJV - Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of YHWH, and the faith of Jesus.
​

It is important to understand that what was written on the tables of stone was not the Torah. Therefore the Law of Animal Sacrifice/Levitical Priesthood was changed, not the law/Torah.

“What “tradition” refers to as the “Ten commandments” is Torah (is “Law“), and the Torah (the “Law”) is exclusively about defining what is right and wrong, just and unjust, pure and contaminated (clean and unclean), moral and immoral, holy and unholy, etc. And has nothing to do with the requirement of blood for the remission of sin. But the Testimony is exclusively about the requirement of blood for the remission of sin, to cleanse us of our past violations of Torah (past violations of Yahuwah‘s “Law“)…

He is the provider of the covenant. He lays out the conditions. And it is only through His covenant that one can receive eternal life (by keeping the commandments), and remission of sins past (faith in the Blood).

And the covenant only works when we agree to, and abide by, “His” terms. This covenant is the same covenant given to Avraham; B’resheet (Genesis) 15:13-16; 17:1-27; 26:1-5 & Shemot (Exodus) 2:23-25;6:2-5; and that Yeshua and the Emissaries (Apostles) taught; Luke 1:67-75
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This is where Galatians talks about us no longer being under the tutor.

The tutor was the Tabernacle of the Testimony (the earthly sanctuary) written in stone (and eventually made of stone), pointing the way to Yeshua who tabernacled among us as the fulfillment, in His flesh, of the testimony written on stone, thus perfecting the covenant and opening the door for the nations to be able to enter in. And it is this perfected form of the sacrificial portion of the covenant that has now been written on the fleshly tablets of our minds, in place of the Tabernacle instructions previously written on stone. The new form of the sacrificial portion of the covenant is what the prophets referred to as the “new” covenant; Yechezk’el (Ezekiel) 11:19; 36:26 & Yerem’yahu (Jeremiah) 31:31.In this prophesied “new” covenant, the Torah remains the same, the Testimony remains the same. The only thing that would change was how the Testimony, that is, how the remission of sins through the covenant, would be administered. And this is precisely what the book of Ivrim (Hebrews) is addressing in the matter of change concerning the “law“. And as it also states in Galatians, this Testimony, written in stone, which came 430 years after the promises given to Avraham, did not nullify the promise of our redemption through a Messiah. http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/upload...of_the_tablets_combined_edition_4-15-2012.pdf

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Notice that when “new testament” is mentioned it refers to the Blood, the new testament replaces animal sacrifice with the Blood of the Spotless Lamb, once and for all.

Mat 26:28 KJV - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar 14:24 KJV - And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Luk 22:20 KJV - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
1Cr 11:25 KJV - After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.
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Additionally, in the original Hebrew the term for commandment is “mitzpah”. In the 3 instances where the “10 commandments” is translated the Hebrew term is actually “dabar” which means “matters or concerns”.

Exodus 34:28
28 And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697).

Deuteronomy 4:13
13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform , even ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697); and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4
4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697), which YHWH spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and YHWH gave them unto me.

​

I hope you will take the time to read this article which presents the complete picture of what actually happened.
http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/uploads/3/0/0/1/3001861/on_the_mystery_of_the_tablets_combined_edition_4-15-2012.pdf

 

[Shiloah]

And I suppose I would say that if people aren't able to look past the historical account of Passover and see Jesus in it, they shouldn't celebrate it. That just lends itself to legalism and vain rituals. And I see people who do that every year. They celebrate and worship the symbol, and not the substance. Everyone can see throughout Scripture that God doesn't care about vain repetition and ritual with no heart behind it. I not only see God working in people's lives everyday right now, but it humbles me to see how He has always worked in people's lives, and it builds my faith knowing that He always WILL.

You know, I would think this would go without saying. And to those that don't seem to get that, saying it doesn't even seem to work. One of life's puzzles I guess...

 

[Grandpa]

Well, young man, you are the one making the accusation here that I am “trapped in judaism and legalism” so you tell me. So far your technique is lacking effectiveness.

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I could see you viewing that as an accusation. I was actually thinking of myself when I wrote that first line about love. I know of no Love that wouldn't at least attempt to show you what you are trapped in.

That's what the Lord Did with me. He showed me I was trapped and when I tried to twist and wiggle intellectually He just kept showing me. A lot of people think that Love just tries to be agreeable in an attempt at peace. That hasn't been my experience.

My experience has been more like Peters. When I look away from the Lord, even momentarily, I begin to sink.

I didn't even know I had a technique. But yeah, you're right, I guess it is ineffective. But you should have seen how I did it 4 years ago... It was with a club in one hand and the bible in the other... I'm trying to get away from that, a little lol

p.s. Thank you for calling me young man. I haven't had any one call me that in a really long time...

 

[zone]

Hbr 7:12 KJV - For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
​

I think a there is a lot of confusion about what was actually replaced/changed by the new covenant. I believe and I am convinced that the Scriptures bear out that Messiah, as the Perfect Sacrificial Lamb, once and for all replaced the Levitical Priesthood but left the law/Torah in place.

See it in Scripture
In Exodus chapters 20-23, YHWH lists over 60 commandments that Israel accepts. Moses writes them down on a scroll by hand then Israel ratifies the covenant the next morning.

Exd 24:3 KJV - And Moses came and told the people all the words of YHWH, and all the judgments: and all the people answered with one voice, and said, All the words which YHWH hath said will we do.

Exd 24:4 KJV - And Moses wrote all the words of YHWH(Torah), and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.

Exd 24:7 KJV - And he took the book of the covenant, and read in the audience of the people: and they said, All that the YHWH hath said will we do, and be obedient. This is the written Torah

​

Then 5 verses later, YHWH invites Moses to join Him on Mt. Sinai.

Exd 24:12 KJV - And the YHWH said unto Moses, “Come up to me into the mount, and be there: and I will give thee tables of stone, and a law, and commandments which I have written; that thou mayest teach them”. This is an invitation to receive the instructions for the Tabernacle/Priesthood
​

In Chapters 25-31 Moses learns about the construction and components of the Tabernacle. After 40 days and nights Moses comes down from Sinai with the Tables of Testimony (the tutor that points to Messiah) that has been written by the hand of YHWH:

Exd 31:18 KJV - And He gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of YHWH.
​

As you can see, two laws were given at Sinai, the Law of Moses (Ex 24:7) then the Law of Animal Sacrifice aka Tablets of the Testimony (Ex 31:18). What is learned from the above verses is that there are 2 provisions in YHWH’s system of salvation: (i) the rules of conduct (law/Torah) and (ii) mercy for violation of those rules (Blood Sacrifice). One written by the hand of Moses the other by the finger of YHWH. This remains consistent in both testaments.

Isa 8:20 KJV - To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, [it is] because [there is] no light in them.

Rev 14:12 KJV - Here is the patience of the saints: here [are] they that keep the commandments of YHWH, and the faith of Jesus.
​

It is important to understand that what was written on the tables of stone was not the Torah. Therefore the Law of Animal Sacrifice/Levitical Priesthood was changed, not the law/Torah.

“What “tradition” refers to as the “Ten commandments” is Torah (is “Law“), and the Torah (the “Law”) is exclusively about defining what is right and wrong, just and unjust, pure and contaminated (clean and unclean), moral and immoral, holy and unholy, etc. And has nothing to do with the requirement of blood for the remission of sin. But the Testimony is exclusively about the requirement of blood for the remission of sin, to cleanse us of our past violations of Torah (past violations of Yahuwah‘s “Law“)…

He is the provider of the covenant. He lays out the conditions. And it is only through His covenant that one can receive eternal life (by keeping the commandments), and remission of sins past (faith in the Blood).

And the covenant only works when we agree to, and abide by, “His” terms. This covenant is the same covenant given to Avraham; B’resheet (Genesis) 15:13-16; 17:1-27; 26:1-5 & Shemot (Exodus) 2:23-25;6:2-5; and that Yeshua and the Emissaries (Apostles) taught; Luke 1:67-75
.
This is where Galatians talks about us no longer being under the tutor.

The tutor was the Tabernacle of the Testimony (the earthly sanctuary) written in stone (and eventually made of stone), pointing the way to Yeshua who tabernacled among us as the fulfillment, in His flesh, of the testimony written on stone, thus perfecting the covenant and opening the door for the nations to be able to enter in. And it is this perfected form of the sacrificial portion of the covenant that has now been written on the fleshly tablets of our minds, in place of the Tabernacle instructions previously written on stone. The new form of the sacrificial portion of the covenant is what the prophets referred to as the “new” covenant; Yechezk’el (Ezekiel) 11:19; 36:26 & Yerem’yahu (Jeremiah) 31:31.In this prophesied “new” covenant, the Torah remains the same, the Testimony remains the same. The only thing that would change was how the Testimony, that is, how the remission of sins through the covenant, would be administered. And this is precisely what the book of Ivrim (Hebrews) is addressing in the matter of change concerning the “law“. And as it also states in Galatians, this Testimony, written in stone, which came 430 years after the promises given to Avraham, did not nullify the promise of our redemption through a Messiah. http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/upload...of_the_tablets_combined_edition_4-15-2012.pdf

​

Notice that when “new testament” is mentioned it refers to the Blood, the new testament replaces animal sacrifice with the Blood of the Spotless Lamb, once and for all.

Mat 26:28 KJV - For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.
Mar 14:24 KJV - And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
Luk 22:20 KJV - Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup [is] the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
1Cr 11:25 KJV - After the same manner also [he took] the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink [it], in remembrance of me.
​

Additionally, in the original Hebrew the term for commandment is “mitzpah”. In the 3 instances where the “10 commandments” is translated the Hebrew term is actually “dabar” which means “matters or concerns”.

Exodus 34:28
28 And he was there with YHWH forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697).

Deuteronomy 4:13
13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform , even ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697); and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

Deuteronomy 10:4
4 And he wrote on the tables, according to the first writing, the ten commandments (dabar Strongs 01697), which YHWH spake unto you in the mount out of the midst of the fire in the day of the assembly: and YHWH gave them unto me.

​

I hope you will take the time to read this article which presents the complete picture of what actually happened.
http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/uploads/3/0/0/1/3001861/on_the_mystery_of_the_tablets_combined_edition_4-15-2012.pdf

Are Foreigners Still Gentiles in the New Covenant?
http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/upload...ers_still_gentiles_under_the_new_covenant.pdf

 

[zone]

I hope you will take the time to read this article which presents the complete picture of what actually happened.

your source has so many errors in it, i'm sorry, it's of little value for me.

Yahuwah? no jews call the LORD Yahuwah.
sacred name cults do though.

Jews for Yeshua - messianic hebrew roots studies and commentary < click

there's no future Millennium btw.

 

[zone]

http://www.hezekiyahhaas.com/uploads/3/0/0/1/3001861/haas_family_surnames.pdf < click

more British Israelism

 

[zone]

yes, THE HEBREW ROOTS MOVEMENT is a cult.

 

[Shiloah]

yes, THE HEBREW ROOTS MOVEMENT is a cult.

Boy isn't this an example of the type of people that no matter what's said or proven over the course of virtually endless perfectly applicable accurate scripturally based explanations, the same accusation is made at the end as was at the start, as if nothing ever was even said. Stone walls are unteachable.

 

[zone]

Boy isn't this an example of the type of people that no matter what's said or proven over the course of virtually endless perfectly applicable accurate scripturally based explanations, the same accusation is made at the end as was at the start, as if nothing ever was even said. Stone walls are unteachable.

hardly, dearie.
it's a cult, regardless of how much is posted to support it.

stone hearts look to the Law.
and pretend to be jews.

it's embarrassing.

 

[just-us-2]

I could see you viewing that as an accusation. I was actually thinking of myself when I wrote that first line about love. I know of no Love that wouldn't at least attempt to show you what you are trapped in.

That's what the Lord Did with me. He showed me I was trapped and when I tried to twist and wiggle intellectually He just kept showing me. A lot of people think that Love just tries to be agreeable in an attempt at peace. That hasn't been my experience.

My experience has been more like Peters. When I look away from the Lord, even momentarily, I begin to sink.

I didn't even know I had a technique. But yeah, you're right, I guess it is ineffective. But you should have seen how I did it 4 years ago... It was with a club in one hand and the bible in the other... I'm trying to get away from that, a little lol

p.s. Thank you for calling me young man. I haven't had any one call me that in a really long time...

I appreciate your politeness in your reply.
I agree with you on the point that only love would try to correct error in another. As you and I, and every parent knows, we love our children dearly and always try to do what is best for them, even if it means saying “no” to a request and hearing the, “but everybody else is going”, to which my dad replied to me many years ago, and my husband and I said to our children, “ If so-and-so jumped off a cliff, would you do it too?” So we as parents do as our Heavenly Father does with us. (“Regard your endurance as discipline; God is dealing with you as sons. For what son goes undisciplined by his father?” Hebrews 12:7)

The Lord does have a way of making sure we don’t wiggle out of what He wants us to do because it is unpleasant, IF we love Him and want to do His will more than anything else. This is something else I agree with that you said, “A lot of people think that Love just tries to be agreeable in an attempt at peace.” It is something I have seen so much it makes me sick, and eventually I got it through my head that wasn’t the way God wanted things to be done. And congratulations on your growth over four years! LOL!

I enjoyed the comments you have shared and would like to tell you a few of many experiences in my life that had a great impact on my spiritual life. As I mentioned in my post, I was sure God was telling me to investigate the Christianity that Jesus Himself taught while He walked this earth, but what I didn’t say was how that came about. My husband and I both “accepted Christ” at the same time, about a year and a half after we got married and we did all the right things – go to church, study the Bible, etc. By the time we lost everything except our lives and our three children when our house burned down, we knew not to blame God and marveled as He put our lives back together. We moved almost a thousand miles from our hometown and found church homes again, taught Sunday school, my husband was licensed to preach by the Baptist church, (I was raised Lutheran, he was raised Wesleyan Methodist) as we strove to find the truth of what a life pleasing to God was really supposed to be. Our oldest son was a rebel from the beginning and landed in prison – now there is something to shake up a parent who raised their kids right and “in church”! The up side to that story is that he is out of prison and doing his best to live God’s way. Embarrassing as it was, God taught me to be careful of being judgmental of what it looks like others are doing –or not doing – in their Christian walk. That lesson was a little hard to grasp but I have made it—for the most part. Several years later our younger son died under suspicious/peculiar circumstances when he was 30, leaving a three and a five-year-old. Suddenly, the reality of God willingly letting His Son die for such as I, hit home. The up side to that story is that a week or so after his funeral we found out that four days before he died, he finally, for real, “accepted Christ.” His words to the co-worker who told us this news were, “I thought I was a Christian, but I didn’t have a clue!” Now that I have let this get so long, the point I was going to make is that after all those things and more, I had the gall to become bored with the Bible. As I humbly asked God’s forgiveness for it and begged Him to show me what else there is in His Word that I was missing, He gave me the answer. We have all heard the statement in one form or another, of “you can always learn something new from the Bible no matter how many times you have read it,” but that just wasn’t working for me. It was then He mercifully exhorted me to study the Christianity of Jesus Himself, which led to learning how Hebrew culture fits in with what we read in the Bible. So when it looks like I am trapped in Judaism and legalism, it isn’t that at all. Knowing the law and how it fit into the everyday life of the Hebrews has opened a panoramic view of scripture that I can hardly keep from blurting out to everyone I can. How great this is! It isn’t going backward and trying to be under the law again at all. It is simply an enhancement to ordinary study, sort of like the invention of the television when people had only a radio before.
I apologize for getting so long-winded, but you would be amazed at what all I left out!

 

[Shiloah]

You know? If I’d performed rituals throughout my life because of my religious beliefs and how I’d been brought up because I believed that’s what God wanted me to do, though I never actually understand why, and then the day came when I realized that all these rituals I performed actually pointed straight to the Person of Christ who actually came in exact accordance with those rituals, I would be so freaking happy in that discovery—yeah! I’d probably spend the rest of my life taking time out to repeat these rituals in celebration, for now they showed me perfect proof of the reality of God and His ultimate deliverance of humanity! I would do this in worship on a regular basis. Such rituals would now mean more to me than words can say. When we sing praises to God, that’s about worshiping Him. We don’t sing praises to attain salvation or to prove we’re better than others that may or may not do so. Worship is not about us; it’s all about Him!

I watched a series of television programs years ago in which a messianic Jew and his wife, with each consecutive program, performed a different Jewish ritual. As they went along, the fellow would explain the significance of each and every step involved in that ritual and it pertained to Christ’s coming. It was a wonderful study. The Old Testament is an absolute treasure chest. When we are lead through it properly by those who are familiar with each and every factor involved (yeah, Jews that practiced those rituals), we see that over the course of 4,500 years God worked out His plan of salvation by way of the Jewish race, culminating in the coming of Christ and fulfillment thereof which now includes the entire human race. What about celebrating the phenomenal intricacy exacted in these rituals that PROVE CHRIST represents an evil cult? I say the accusation itself is evil.

Our accuser is not Christ. Our accuser is Satan himself. And yet, without shame, so-called Christian’s repeatedly attack not only Jews that have to Christ, but Christian’s that take tremendous joy in the fact that they have along with celebrating with them as a unified body of Christ, those jewels of understanding Jews that have recognized their messiah have brought to the plate. I say Hallelujah Lord Jesus! Thank you God for bringing these Jews to Christ as well as well as adding their own understanding of these Old Testament promises to our own. My faith is so deepened when I see this happening.

I guess the accusers will always be present until our Lord returns. Their purpose is always to tear down rather than to build up.

“You will know them by their fruits.”

 

[Shiloah]

hardly, dearie.
it's a cult, regardless of how much is posted to support it.

stone hearts look to the Law.
and pretend to be jews.

it's embarrassing.

You're a wolf in sheep's clothing. However, you'd better work on your disguise. You give yourself away far too easily.

 

[RedTent]

You're a wolf in sheep's clothing. However, you'd better work on your disguise. You give yourself away far too easily.

I don't think she has a clue who is using her. She finds a way to make scripture back her up, and she truly believes in what she is saying. And she loves the Lord. It tells us how important it is to read all of scripture, every bit, and let only the HS lead us.