Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[phil112]

JGIG, Christ has given us two physical rites to perform as Christians: Communion and water Baptism. ................

You left one out.

 

[JGIG]

No, RedTent, I did not say that. You're making stuff up again. What I did say is that you need to start backing up your assertions with proof from the Scriptures and cite your sources.

I've been sharing some of what I know right along . . . have you not noticed?



Again, I have a number of posts on this and other threads; perhaps you would like to go back through some of them: http://christianchat.com/search.php?searchid=539551


"My Kabbalistic?" You really should brush up on what Kabbalah is, RedTent, since the bereansonline.org site you say you have learned so much from renders many of its teachings from Kabbalah.

I do not ascribe to Kabbalistic teachings; in fact, I try to steer people away from anything derived from Kabbalistic teachings. That is made quite clear in what I post.

Let me repeat the question, as you seem to have missed the question:

Actually, the Bereans did not refer to the OT Scriptures to check ALL that Paul said, but to check something SPECIFIC that Paul was teaching.

What was that?

Can you tell us?




I'll be happy to post that reference for you, but wasn't it you, who when asked why you don't post Scripture, say this:

"I usually do not copy and post the scripture I talk about, most Christians are familiar with bible and own one so they are able to check their bible to be sure that anything I say is scripture backed."


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No, I wouldn't want to insult you by posting the reference where the above information can be found. I'm sure you'll find it with no trouble at all and post it here for us to see.



The last three Feasts don't talk about His Return, but about His Work.

Did Christ come?

Yes. Many Torah-folk celebrate His Birth at the Feast of Trumpets, isn't that so?

Did Christ provide for the atonement for all sins for all time?

Yes. This is not a future event, but one that has already occurred - the Perfect, Final Sacrifice for all sin, for all mankind.

Does Christ Tabernacle with us?

Yes. He Himself told us that when He ascended into Heaven He would send His Holy Spirit to live within us, and many places in the New Covenant Scriptures refer to the Body of Christ corporately as well as we as believers individually as His Temple. So yes, Christ 'tabernacles', or dwells, with us by His Spirit.




Do you think that the Feasts are not a part of the Law that Christ Himself declared that He came to fulfill? Really? You have read the Law, haven't you, RedTent? I assure you, the Feasts are indeed an inextricable part of the Law.

-JGIG

You say some awful things about me, but to say that I learned about the bereans from a website and not from the book of Acts about cracks it. Feast of Tabernacles is "Does Christ tabernacle with us. Feasts are a law. It is the Feast of Tabernacles to celebrate Christ's birth! That I do not copy and past bible and that proves I never use bible. You are something else, I am done with you.

So you're not going to post what the Bereans were examining the Scriptures regarding what Paul was teaching?

Gee, I'm shocked.

False accusation by you (aka fib):

"You say some awful things about me, but to say that I learned about the bereans from a website and not from the book of Acts about cracks it."
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What I actually wrote: You really should brush up on what Kabbalah is, RedTent, since the bereansonline.org site you say you have learned so much from renders many of its teachings from Kabbalah.

You wrote,

"Feast of Tabernacles is "Does Christ tabernacle with us. Feasts are a law. It is the Feast of Tabernacles to celebrate Christ's birth!" ​

You put some quote marks in there, so I don't know if you were responding to what I wrote or just trying to muddle it up. What I wrote was,

"Does Christ Tabernacle with us?

"Yes. He Himself told us that when He ascended into Heaven He would send His Holy Spirit to live within us, and many places in the New Covenant Scriptures refer to the Body of Christ corporately as well as we as believers individually as His Temple. So yes, Christ 'tabernacles', or dwells, with us by His Spirit."​

And you wrote there that Feasts are a Law, yet in this post, you wrote that Feasts (rituals) are not Law.

Again, you cannot have it both ways. Are Feasts Law or are they not?

Then you wrote,

"That I do not copy and past bible and that proves I never use bible." ​

What I actually wrote:

"I did not say that. You're making stuff up again. What I did say is that you need to start backing up your assertions with proof from the Scriptures and cite your sources."
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RedTent, re-read my post. Try really hard to read what's actually there and not what's not there.

Or not.

Your choice.

-JGIG

 

[Grandpa]

Yes, I have checked with Jesus and His Word, given to Paul in Romans 7:1-6:

Or do you not know, brothers—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

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4 Likewise, my brothers, you also have died to the law through the body of Christ, so that you may belong to another, to him who has been raised from the dead, in order that we may bear fruit for God. 5 For while we were living in the flesh, our sinful passions, aroused by the law, were at work in our members to bear fruit for death. 6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
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It's really pretty clear.

-JGIG

It is clear. And it shows exactly why we can't be under the Law if we have come to Christ.

We can't continue to work at the law or we revive what has died. That is our sinful passions which fruit is death.

Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

So how can the commandments of God be kept if we aren't working at the law? The Faith of Jesus Christ is what keeps the commandments of God.

How? By the giving and growing of the Holy Spirit, the fruit that is grown to God (Romans 7:4).

John 15:5 [SUP] [/SUP]I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

If you turn away from the Lord Jesus Christ and turn toward your own work at the law, you have forfeited your previous faith, you have fallen from grace. You must repent and return to the Lord. Repent of your works and trust in His.

Matthew 14:29-31
[SUP]29 [/SUP]And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
[SUP]30 [/SUP]But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.
[SUP]31 [/SUP]And immediately Jesus stretched forth his hand, and caught him, and said unto him, O thou of little faith, wherefore didst thou doubt?

In verse 30 what happened? Peter took his eyes off the Lord and looked at his own circumstances, which immediately caused him to forget his previous faith he had in the Lord to walk on the water in the first place.

We didn't have faith in our own work at the law to be saved in the first place, so why are we looking back to the law after we are saved? Beholding our own circumstances and failures and forgetting the Power of The Lord that saved us...

Galatians 3:3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

How did your salvation begin? By your works at the law? Nope. We are saved by grace through faith and not of works. So how is your salvation worked out, how are you perfected?

By Beholding Christ. The same as when you were saved to begin with.

So what about reading the old testament and learning about the rituals, is that ok? Of course. It all comes alive when you can relate how the Lord Jesus Christ has saved us by His Holy Spirit with all the physical things that pointed to His Work and His Salvation of us to begin with.

What is our focus and what is our intent? Christ and His Work or our own?

 

[SweetShelly35]

I have looked their webpage and sadly I have no idea. If I were you I would call up pastors in the area and ask if they are a Christian bible based safe church. I have hope that pastors would be quite honest with you.

 

[Hoffco]

To sweetShelly, to whom are you talking? Please identify them. And ,beware sending people to Bible "faithful" churches, I can not name one, after 53yrs of visiting sooomany of them. Except my church, of course, I am faithful to God's work. Seriously, look for a pastor who teaches CONTEXTUALLY. If the pastor preaches on Jh.3:16 without 3:21 he is unfaithful to God... If,he preaches on Rom.6:23 without 6:22, he is unfaithful to God, stand away, or pray for the pastor and people to learn God's word. Love to all, Hoffco

 

[Hoffco]

Grampa, Please say, repent of "dead works" and do "work and labor of love" and to "faith in God".Heb.6:1&10. Love to all, Hoffco