Wait... What???

[transient]

Even more disturbing than 'Toddlers and Tiaras.'

 

[terminallyCapricious]

That's my only point......It's one thing when someone chooses that path for themselves.....but children don't even experience sexual attraction that young.....how could they possibly know their orientation? I think in cases like these, it's the parents trying to force the identity onto the child. I don't hate gay people at all, but "forcing shirts" like this onto kids is far worse than anything the adults might disagree on. There was also a recent court case won about a 6 year old boy (as in has male genitals) who was "transgendered" and the case was about that childs right to use the girls restroom. How can a 6 year old possibly know they are "transgendered" at that age? That's what forcing identity onto someone is

It has nothing to do with them knowing their sexual orientation or gender identity. Kids do things often without knowing why. A child's personality is the rawest kind. They didn't think one day, "I am transgendered" because they don't understand the concept. They simply said, "I want to be a boy" or "I want to be a girl" based on what they do know: that boys do more masculine things and girls do more feminine things and they wish they were the opposite gender so they could do the things the opposite gender does.

Do not underestimate children. They are not stupid. Sure, they lack factual intelligence and don't understand a lot of things like gender identity and sexuality, because those are things they will learn later on. But children ARE NOT so stupid that they cannot make decisions and have an identity for themselves. Children have preferences just,I've anyone else, they just may not understand it.

Also, that girl did not identity herself as transgendered. She was merely labelled that way for the sake of journalism. That may be what she is, or it may not be. But by definition, yes, she is transgendered, because she is a person who was born biologically male but does not feel like a male, but rather a female. She may not understand it, but that's technically how she is.

 

[terminallyCapricious]

Heterosexuality can't be all that bad..since it allows for the continuance of the species and all..

This isn't a huge step forward, this is a quantum leap back. Encouraging kids to be something they aren't..that isn't helping them be themselves, it's helping warped parents live out maybe not having the gender child they want.
If you want a little girl and you can't have one naturally then adopt one, plenty out there. There isn't any need to make your child into something YOU want that THEY are not.

This looks like a bunch of wanna be honey boo boo parents who ended up with boys.

Please do not insult these children.

And before you say that I am accusing you of something you do not believe you are doing, let me clarify.

You didn't read the part where I explained the problem with transphobia (similar to homophobia, but towards transgendered people specifically).

"When you force an identity onto someone, it's like forcing a shirt onto them. It might be too big, it might be too small, it might be itchy. That shirt was made for a specific group of people. But that's the only shirt there is. Only that handful of people get to fit perfectly fine into the shirt while everyone else is miserable. The group who fits fine in the shirt looks at all the people who don't and see how funny they look in the shirt, and will say things like "Lose weight," or "Gain weight," "Change as much as you can about yourself so that you can fit the shirt and look just like us, but don't change the shirt.""

No one is forcing these kids to dress that way. They are simply dressing that way, and their parents are allowing it because they do not want to restrict their child and force them into an identity that they will be unhappy in.

These children dress this way and act this way because they want to and that's how they are. No one can change that. They can only restrict it by telling them that it's wrong and that people will make fun of them. They restrict their child by making them afraid of what they are. This is unhealthy.

Please read everything I am writing in order to prevent further confusion. Refusal to agree is fine, just read it so you don't misunderstand again.

 

[terminallyCapricious]

oh yes....what a great leap forward.

weirdos

Please do not resort to insulting transgendered people. You can disagree with what they do. You don't have to insult them. There is enough of that already.

 

[Shiloah]

Matthew 6:23 If your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!

This makes me cry. Literally. This is horrible.

 

[Shiloah]

Please do not resort to insulting transgendered people. You can disagree with what they do. You don't have to insult them. There is enough of that already.

You know? After watching this, I have no patience for you. You're entirely corrupt. This is the garbage you create. Now you're destroying the children.

 

[Shiloah]

Please do not insult these children.

And before you say that I am accusing you of something you do not believe you are doing, let me clarify.

You didn't read the part where I explained the problem with transphobia (similar to homophobia, but towards transgendered people specifically).

"When you force an identity onto someone, it's like forcing a shirt onto them. It might be too big, it might be too small, it might be itchy. That shirt was made for a specific group of people. But that's the only shirt there is. Only that handful of people get to fit perfectly fine into the shirt while everyone else is miserable. The group who fits fine in the shirt looks at all the people who don't and see how funny they look in the shirt, and will say things like "Lose weight," or "Gain weight," "Change as much as you can about yourself so that you can fit the shirt and look just like us, but don't change the shirt.""

No one is forcing these kids to dress that way. They are simply dressing that way, and their parents are allowing it because they do not want to restrict their child and force them into an identity that they will be unhappy in.

These children dress this way and act this way because they want to and that's how they are. No one can change that. They can only restrict it by telling them that it's wrong and that people will make fun of them. They restrict their child by making them afraid of what they are. This is unhealthy.

Please read everything I am writing in order to prevent further confusion. Refusal to agree is fine, just read it so you don't misunderstand again.

These children are the victims of this evil you are perpetuating.

 

[Shiloah]

We keep it up? We're gonna out-do Sodom and Gomorrah.

 

[Shiloah]

I would like to share my opinion.

I believe something like this is a big, forward step. Ever since we are born, we are instantly given labels. Boy. Girl.
When you're born a boy, you're expected to like girls, grow up to like dinosaurs or cars or sports, etc. When you're born a girl, you're expected to like boys, and grow up to like clothes or princesses or dolls.
You have no say. You are given a label and are expected to follow it just because that's how it's been for hundreds of years. And if you stray from the identity associated with that label, you are a pariah.

Kids who grow up to be different from what is expected of them spend most of their adolescent lives thinking something is wrong with them. They grow up thinking they're broken while everyone else is normal. They wish they had been born normal like very one else.

But the fact is, there's nothing wrong with them. There's everything wrong with the way people think, with the way they think, the way people are still being conditioned to think.

When you force an identity onto someone, it's like forcing a shirt onto them. It might be too big, it might be too small, it might be itchy. That shirt was made for a specific group of people. But that's the only shirt there is. Only that handful of people get to fit perfectly fine into the shirt while everyone else is miserable. The group who fits fine in the shirt looks at all the people who don't and see how funny they look in the shirt, and will say things like "Lose weight," or "Gain weight," "Change as much as you can about yourself so that you can fit the shirt and look just like us, but don't change the shirt."

This is where the problem lies. And this is why I think we need something like this. And I am glad there is finally a place like this that is more well-known, where people can be themselves and not worry about expectations at such a young age.

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Jesus said you make one of these little ones fall? It would be better for you if you tied a millstone around your neck and were dropped to the bottom of the sea.

This is THAT--making the little ones fall. This above all else no real Christian has any tolerance for. This is monstrous and entirely evil.

 

[retro]

That's my only point......It's one thing when someone chooses that path for themselves.....but children don't even experience sexual attraction that young.....how could they possibly know their orientation? I think in cases like these, it's the parents trying to force the identity onto the child. I don't hate gay people at all, but "forcing shirts" like this onto kids is far worse than anything the adults might disagree on. There was also a recent court case won about a 6 year old boy (as in has male genitals) who was "transgendered" and the case was about that childs right to use the girls rvestroom. How can a 6 year old possibly know they are "transgendered" at that age? That's what forcing identity onto someone is

It's not about sexual attraction it's about identifying with the gender you feel most comfortable with.
Kids are more than aware at a very early age of who they are and where they fit in without any interference from the parents.

This condition has been influenced by such things as drugs taken during pregnancy and stress during the term.

Try to be a little more understanding and remember that as you judge so you will be judged

 

[Shiloah]

It's not about sexual attraction it's about identifying with the gender you feel most comfortable with.
Kids are more than aware at a very early age of who they are and where they fit in without any interference from the parents.

This condition has been influenced by such things as drugs taken during pregnancy and stress during the term.

Try to be a little more understanding and remember that as you judge so you will be judged

This isn't about the kids doing wrong. This is about the parents or guardians teaching kids this is ordinary and acceptable. Condition my foot. This is pure confusion forced on children in their formative years when they need wholesome guidance. This corrupts them. Their thinking will always be confusion because of this garbage. Scriptures say to judge rightly. Scriptures say homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord. Hence, to say parents that teach children that homosexuality is anything but an abomination before the Lord are corrupting their children is right judgement. And boy oh boy will they ever be held responsible for that.

 

[Shiloah]

As you judge, so will you be judged. I would expect any Christian to judge me according to scriptures when scriptures make it apparent what I'm doing is an abomination before the Lord.

 

[retro]

We keep it up? We're gonna out-do Sodom and Gomorrah.

Matt 10.14

Jesus implied that the sin of Sodom was it's inhospitatlity to strangers

 

[retro]

This isn't about the kids doing wrong. This is about the parents or guardians teaching kids this is ordinary and acceptable. Condition my foot. This is pure confusion forced on children in their formative years when they need wholesome guidance. This corrupts them. Their thinking will always be confusion because of this garbage. Scriptures say to judge rightly. Scriptures say homosexuality is an abomination before the Lord. Hence, to say parents that teach children that homosexuality is anything but an abomination before the Lord are corrupting their children is right judgement. And boy oh boy will they ever be held responsible for that.

Again this isn't anything to do with homosexuality but is about gender choice.

You can't brand these young children sodomites!

 

[Tintin]

Matt 10.14

Jesus implied that the sin of Sodom was it's inhospitatlity to strangers

Rubbish, you're using that verse out of context. The verse is concerned with Jesus' apostles being shunned for preaching God's Word. It has absolutely nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

[Shiloah]

Matt 10.14

Jesus implied that the sin of Sodom was it's inhospitatlity to strangers

Question: "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?"

Answer: The biblical account of Sodom and Gomorrah is recorded in Genesis chapters 18-19. Genesis chapter 18 records the Lord and two angels coming to speak with Abraham. The Lord informed Abraham that "the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous." Verses 22-33 record Abraham pleading with the Lord to have mercy on Sodom and Gomorrah because Abraham's nephew, Lot, and his family lived in Sodom.

Genesis chapter 19 records the two angels, disguised as human men, visiting Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot met the angels in the city square and urged them to stay at his house. The angels agreed. The Bible then informs us, "Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom — both young and old — surrounded the house. They called to Lot, 'Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.'" The angels then proceed to blind all the men of Sodom and Gomorrah and urge Lot and his family to flee from the cities to escape the wrath that God was about to deliver. Lot and his family flee the city, and then "the LORD rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah — from the LORD out of the heavens. Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, including all those living in the cities..."

In light of the passage, the most common response to the question "What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?" is that it was homosexuality. That is how the term "sodomy" came to be used to refer to anal sex between two men, whether consensual or forced. Clearly, homosexuality was part of why God destroyed the two cities. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah wanted to perform homosexual gang rape on the two angels (who were disguised as men). At the same time, it is not biblical to say that homosexuality was the exclusive reason why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The cities of Sodom and Gomorrah were definitely not exclusive in terms of the sins in which they indulged.

Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, "Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me..." The Hebrew word translated "detestable" refers to something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an "abomination." Similarly, Jude 7 declares, "...Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion." So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason for the destruction of the cities.

Those who attempt to explain away the biblical condemnations of homosexuality claim that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. The men of Sodom and Gomorrah were certainly being inhospitable. There is probably nothing more inhospitable than homosexual gang rape. But to say God completely destroyed two cities and all their inhabitants for being inhospitable clearly misses the point. While Sodom and Gomorrah were guilty of many other horrendous sins, homosexuality was the reason God poured fiery sulfur on the cities, completely destroying them and all of their inhabitants. To this day, the area where Sodom and Gomorrah were located remains a desolate wasteland. Sodom and Gomorrah serve as a powerful example of how God feels about sin in general, and homosexuality specifically.

Read more: What was the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah?
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[Shiloah]

Again this isn't anything to do with homosexuality but is about gender choice.

You can't brand these young children sodomites!

Who's branding these children? I'm branding the parents as corrupt people who make these little ones fall. These children are far to young to be making a gender choice. They were born with sexual organs, you know. Those don't develop until they develop. Before that? Their authorities corrupt them with this argument you have which is against everything scriptures say about this. But the devil is a liar, so what should I expect?

 

[danschance]

Terminallycapricious and anyone else who supports LGBT issues,

Thankx for sharing your opinion on the news article. I understand you are for LGBT rights and this is your prerogative. However, many Christians here feel LGBT is sexual perversion and sin. I do not hate or discriminate LGBT people nor do I have any phobias about them. I see those children as victims snared in a web of demonic deceit and sin.

There is nothing you can say that will change my mind. I can only hope that you will respect my right to believe what the bible says.

 

[retro]

Read my reply l stated that it had to dpi with hospitality not homosexuality.

You're the ones screaming homosexual not me.

 

[Donkeyfish07]

It's not about sexual attraction it's about identifying with the gender you feel most comfortable with.
Kids are more than aware at a very early age of who they are and where they fit in without any interference from the parents.

This condition has been influenced by such things as drugs taken during pregnancy and stress during the term.

Try to be a little more understanding and remember that as you judge so you will be judged

I'm not judging the people involved.....that's God's job, not mine........the enabling behavior/mindset is obviously wrong though and I think it's shocking that it even needs to be pointed out.