Is LITERAL Hellfire Torment A Bible Teaching?
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Yes, Jesus was bodily in the grave. But, He, the Word, went to Hades, and as the Word, preached the Good News. After three days and night He was taken from there and was bodily resurrected.
He does hold the keys of Hell and Death.
He, along with the thief, both went to Paradise that day. they both went to Abraham's Bosom. Jesus went there to deliver the righteous dead from the Law, the thief to be resurrected by his Messiah. Now that the righteous dead have been delivered, Paradise is no longer in Hades.
It is not known why He told Mary not to touch Him, yet told Thomas to, but, it was not because He did not go to Paradise as of yet. Was it not He who said, "Today you shall be with me in Paradise"? I can only assume that He went that same day that He said that.
He does hold the keys of Hell and Death.
He, along with the thief, both went to Paradise that day. they both went to Abraham's Bosom. Jesus went there to deliver the righteous dead from the Law, the thief to be resurrected by his Messiah. Now that the righteous dead have been delivered, Paradise is no longer in Hades.
It is not known why He told Mary not to touch Him, yet told Thomas to, but, it was not because He did not go to Paradise as of yet. Was it not He who said, "Today you shall be with me in Paradise"? I can only assume that He went that same day that He said that.
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Not a thought in her mind, a communication from God, however it was manifested.
Not necessarily a thought, but a communication. God can make it look like a man with a conscious if he wants too, I presume in cases where the recipient cannot fathom the abstract, which is all fine, but it's always God doing the thinking and talking.
Angels are an abstract, not a gang of free thinking dudes.
To whom, what, and why, does John write seven letters?
To an abstract, in those cases, literal earthly men, you and I.
I see that I am in a whirlwind, and stuck in off-topic if I continue, therefore I digress on angels.
It's more important to believe angels are actually speaking to you, than what you think they are. But you'll find them easier if you let go of the "hope to see one appear" or "hope to meet one someday" mentality.
You can even see tens of thousands of them around the throne.
Not necessarily a thought, but a communication. God can make it look like a man with a conscious if he wants too, I presume in cases where the recipient cannot fathom the abstract, which is all fine, but it's always God doing the thinking and talking.
Angels are an abstract, not a gang of free thinking dudes.
To whom, what, and why, does John write seven letters?
To an abstract, in those cases, literal earthly men, you and I.
I see that I am in a whirlwind, and stuck in off-topic if I continue, therefore I digress on angels.
It's more important to believe angels are actually speaking to you, than what you think they are. But you'll find them easier if you let go of the "hope to see one appear" or "hope to meet one someday" mentality.
You can even see tens of thousands of them around the throne.
S
So you're thinking there's only God and us? Where in the world did you come up with this concept? No, wait. I'm not really interested. Obviously from your own mind. There's absolutely no scriptural basis for such a whacky theory. It's patently absurd to say angels aren't individuals with minds of their own. Satan rebelled against God and a third of the angels fell to earth with him. Wow. Don't bother responding. I've no interest in this.
S
I say to you today you shall be in paradise with me.
That's what the verse says. There were no commas in the Greek text. As you easily can see, that verse could as easily said "I say to you today-- you shall be in paradise with me."
Clearly, Jesus said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to His Father. So He hadn't. I'm assuming He hadn't received His glorified body yet. After He did ascend to the Father, He met the disciples where Thomas saw Him and Jesus said for Thomas to put his hands in Jesus's nail pierced hands and feet. Obviously something had changed since Jesus no longer took issue with being touched. Again, I can only assume it was because He had been "changed" as we will be at the resurrection of the dead when we "put on immortality."
That's what the verse says. There were no commas in the Greek text. As you easily can see, that verse could as easily said "I say to you today-- you shall be in paradise with me."
Clearly, Jesus said to Mary that He had not yet ascended to His Father. So He hadn't. I'm assuming He hadn't received His glorified body yet. After He did ascend to the Father, He met the disciples where Thomas saw Him and Jesus said for Thomas to put his hands in Jesus's nail pierced hands and feet. Obviously something had changed since Jesus no longer took issue with being touched. Again, I can only assume it was because He had been "changed" as we will be at the resurrection of the dead when we "put on immortality."
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See, I don't think the spirit is the consciousness anyway. So what that verse means doesn't have an effect on the way I look at this. I'm also not sure what Solomon had in mind when he said that anyway. It doesn't appear he was making a statement about how things are, he was just reflecting, like, who knows... about these things?
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Christ's Spirit though wasn't dead nor in the tomb, since in luke 23:46:
And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” And having said thus, He gave up the ghost.
So that day, the thief did really meet Christ in paradise (not to mention that Christ is God, which makes Him omnipresent).
And when Jesus had cried out with a loud voice, He said, “Father, into Thy hands I commend My spirit.” And having said thus, He gave up the ghost.
So that day, the thief did really meet Christ in paradise (not to mention that Christ is God, which makes Him omnipresent).
Jesus didn't go anywhere after He died... You folks got Him traveling around, down in thru the earth ( baloney), then back into His tomb, lol..
All because you folks believe of a facticious story that Jesus made up as a teaching tool (parable)..
I just watched a episode of Andy Griffith. Andy wanted some private time with his girlfreind. Andy tried to relate that to Barney. But ol barn, thought Andy meant,, that he wanted to spend time with barney.... So ol Barney called up his girl (thelma lou) and told her,, "Andy & I need some time to ourselves."
Barney misunderstood Andy...
Everybody that believes the parable of Abraham, the begger and Lazarus is a true story,,, has decieved themselves.
That is why, you beleive the deasd are alive... because of a Parable.... lol,,,, I laugh,,, but really,, it's not funny..
I know Satan is snickering,, Cause he knows his demons are fixing to masqerade as dead loved ones. And nearly the entire world will believe that the dead are alive.
Once Satan performs these miracles,,, those who made claims that the dead are alive,,will be in the streets saying "I told you so,, our dead loved ones are alive!!!!"
They will be convinced. In doing so,, they place themselves where they cannot be saved.
because they chose to believe a lie,,,, God will give you up,,,, He will send strong delusion that you go ahead and beleive that lie.
There is a time when one may recieve the Truth. But continued rejection of the truth will be followed by strong delusion to believe a lie.
All because you folks believe of a facticious story that Jesus made up as a teaching tool (parable)..
I just watched a episode of Andy Griffith. Andy wanted some private time with his girlfreind. Andy tried to relate that to Barney. But ol barn, thought Andy meant,, that he wanted to spend time with barney.... So ol Barney called up his girl (thelma lou) and told her,, "Andy & I need some time to ourselves."
Barney misunderstood Andy...
Everybody that believes the parable of Abraham, the begger and Lazarus is a true story,,, has decieved themselves.
That is why, you beleive the deasd are alive... because of a Parable.... lol,,,, I laugh,,, but really,, it's not funny..
I know Satan is snickering,, Cause he knows his demons are fixing to masqerade as dead loved ones. And nearly the entire world will believe that the dead are alive.
Once Satan performs these miracles,,, those who made claims that the dead are alive,,will be in the streets saying "I told you so,, our dead loved ones are alive!!!!"
They will be convinced. In doing so,, they place themselves where they cannot be saved.
because they chose to believe a lie,,,, God will give you up,,,, He will send strong delusion that you go ahead and beleive that lie.
There is a time when one may recieve the Truth. But continued rejection of the truth will be followed by strong delusion to believe a lie.