Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?
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All a person has to do is say, "Mosaic Law" or "Old Covenant" and you already belong to a cult.
You might find the recently started thread "DOES HUMAN NATURE VANISH AS SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN?" which might be interesting as it attempts to define human nature as we have been seeing it in this thread.
You might find the recently started thread "DOES HUMAN NATURE VANISH AS SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN?" which might be interesting as it attempts to define human nature as we have been seeing it in this thread.
That is an awesome testimony and I am glad you understood what I was trying to say. A lot of times it seems like we don't make our point clear or it is misunderstood... I always try to be clear but it seems I must not be.
I agree. I love seeing the Lord Jesus in the Old Testament as well.
I really liked what you shared about anointing and smelling like royalty, btw
Grandpa, you agree to scripture? I am amazed. You have said all the old passed away when scripture said the first convenant passed away, the covenant with Adam based on works. Adam's part was not to eat the apple. The new covenant was what Christ gives us of forgiveness, the HS, etc. You said the new covenant was grace, mercy and love. That is not what the bible says. It says we have always had grace, mercy and love. You go on about free in Christ. You seem to imply it means we should listen to some law you have in your head, not scripture. We are free in Christ because the law does not mean our death, we have forgiveness. You say the law was given because of Hebrew transgression. I don't find that in the bible except when a scripture is read using logic. Our logic says that if this is so it is common sense that is so. I have never seen you stay strictly, exactly to scripture and God asks that of us. Now, you are accepting scripture?
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I said exactly what I meant. My anger comes from her attacking people like Kohen that graciously answered all questions appropriately and patiently. The truth will hurt those that refuse it and attack others that have it. You're just a little follower of this Jew haters conspiracy club. If you agreed with me, then I'd be worried. Jesus Himself called the Pharisees jackals. He said their father was Satan. He was direct. Obviously I'm not Jesus, but I know the accuser when I see him speaking through counterfeit Christians. Again, you've proven you can't think for yourself nor do you want to. You're just a little follower of this little herd of gang banger Jew hater cultists I see in here.
Obviously this is no longer constructive though, certainly not for me. I sit around exchanging with counterfeit Christians enough, my carnal nature comes out and I forget myself and say that which does not give glory to God.
I was remembering today that Jesus dealt with evil people always chiding others and Him and He definitely handled them graciously as they deserved, but He never lost who He is. Obviously I'm not that strong yet. But when I see others torn apart that don't deserve it, yeah, I'll come to their defense. You just don't understand that Grandpa, cause all you can conceive of is your little agenda which you actually don't even understand because it's someone else's because you can't think for yourself.
So I'm out. I'm blocking posts from people I believe are godless and like it that way so I can learn to address the godly issue at hand and nothing else. I'm absolutely sure Jesus or the disciples didn't bother responding to mindless cat callers with nothing more than evil agendas. I'm going to follow His example, with His help of course.
Obviously this is no longer constructive though, certainly not for me. I sit around exchanging with counterfeit Christians enough, my carnal nature comes out and I forget myself and say that which does not give glory to God.
I was remembering today that Jesus dealt with evil people always chiding others and Him and He definitely handled them graciously as they deserved, but He never lost who He is. Obviously I'm not that strong yet. But when I see others torn apart that don't deserve it, yeah, I'll come to their defense. You just don't understand that Grandpa, cause all you can conceive of is your little agenda which you actually don't even understand because it's someone else's because you can't think for yourself.
So I'm out. I'm blocking posts from people I believe are godless and like it that way so I can learn to address the godly issue at hand and nothing else. I'm absolutely sure Jesus or the disciples didn't bother responding to mindless cat callers with nothing more than evil agendas. I'm going to follow His example, with His help of course.
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I'm going to take that as Godly advice, RedTent. I certainly realize that I'm merely a person full of faults so I obviously need to respond with the grace God wants me to. Knowing where that fine line lies is something I know I haven't learned it. So yes, I'm going to take what you've said to heart and strive to always keep that it mind in my exchanges. Thank you and God bless you RedTent.
I have been watching this thread and reading your posts with great interest. You have been verbally attacked and responded as I like to see someone respond. By that I mean that I see you putting a lot of effort into responding without nastiness, anger, and such. It is the effort to do better that I see in you, that pleases me and I know pleases God. I struggle often with my attitude toward people who seem to want to stay ignorant, and have to bite my tongue, not just in the forum but in everyday life here where I live. Willful ignorance is one of my pet peeves. This is the truth: as Sunday school teachers, my husband and I have both been told, "Don't teach us anything we don't already know." Disgusting isn't it? For people to attempt to take advantage of our Heavenly Father's grace like that is just one example of "counterfeit Christians" (great label there!) that has emboldened me in recent years to write commentaries on spiritual topics without tiptoeing through the tough stuff. ("Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls." Matthew 11:29) So, there has been a benefit, but my heart aches because of how these people treat our Adonai.
You inspire me! Thank you!
May ADONAI bless you and keep you.
May ADONAI make his face shine on you and show you his favor.
May ADONAI lift up his face toward you and give you peace.
Numbers 6:24-26 (CJB)
UMM Are you sure you're reading the same person you're talking about? I have seen her use the same type of nastiness that you claim others are using. (It wouldn't be so bad but she was complaining about it in another thread and claimed they don't do it or it's excused) Is it two different standards or is it one and the same?
I am so happy that you have changed your mind and heart about the Mosaic Law, and all the Old Testaments covenants that have been completed, and properly identified in their fullness through Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. In addition, I thank you for treating my wife (just-us-2) with so much kindness. Wonderful! Simply wonderful
I would invite you to join into the discussion about our human nature that we all have in the other thread that I started yesterday called;
“DOES HUMAN NATURE VANISH AS SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN?”
I would invite you to join into the discussion about our human nature that we all have in the other thread that I started yesterday called;
“DOES HUMAN NATURE VANISH AS SOON AS WE ARE BORN AGAIN?”
I haven't been coming in on the forum discussions much so all I am going on is what I have seen. Yes, I have seen some instances where this lady was a little "harsh", shall we say, in her comments. However, my point in commenting as I did is that I do see some effort at doing what we all claim to do which is grow in grace and if we can't treat certain others respectfully and kindly, to stay separate from their company ("Keep pursuing shalom with everyone and the holiness without which no one will see the Lord." Hebrews 12:14 and " I urge you, brothers, to watch out for those who cause divisions and put snares alongside the teaching in which you have been trained - keep away from them. Romans 16:17 CJB). This isn't the place to get into a long explanation so I will try to consolidate my thoughts. Quite some time ago, as I pondered what gift I might possibly have that God could use, because I honestly did not see that I had anything useful to His kingdom, God taught me that one "gift" or use that all Christians have in common is that of "encouragement." So I meditated on that and the effect encouragement has on folks, and have tried since then to encourage every time I see the opportunity, whenever I see another Christian trying to do right.
To answer your question, no, it isn't two different standards. You may have read in the ladies forum the two threads I started about women. One had only a few replies and was pretty mellow. The other got fiery and as I was brutally attacked by a woman who had quite a bit of book knowledge and a terrible superiority complex to go with it and that caused me to stay out of the forums for the most part. But one of my "gifts" or duties as an older woman is to teach younger women, to share with anyone who will listen/read what God has taught me in my 41 years of being a Christian. So, I'm back. And I detest the arguing and nastiness that goes on, but I am not responsible for what others do. I am responsible to freely share what Adonai has enlightened me to with others. What they do with it is their business but I care enough to take abuse if necessary in order to fulfill what He has given me to do. I went into more detail on this subject in my posts on the thread: People, Get Ready so I won't go into it any further here.
I thank you for attempting to inform me of a mistake in judgment that I could have been making in encouraging this lady. That also shows me that you are trying to do what we as Christians are supposed to do - show each other where we could be wrong - and you did it without being hateful toward me.
May God bless you.
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Guess that would mean all of us.
And please don't tell me you have never stolen, Never once in your life were greedy, Where never drunk on something, and never verbally abused someone.
If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.
So tell me. Since we all have done this, and this passage tells us plainly none of us can then enter the kingdom. Who will ever be saved, and why?
And please don't tell me you have never stolen, Never once in your life were greedy, Where never drunk on something, and never verbally abused someone.
If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and there is no truth in us.
So tell me. Since we all have done this, and this passage tells us plainly none of us can then enter the kingdom. Who will ever be saved, and why?
I have been here just a bit longer and I have seen that many of the Bible discussions can get very heated. (I don't spend much time on some of parts of the forum)
I just have seen where both sides have done it. Things get a bit heated then you have one person feel slighted and then it goes from there. We tend to forget one big draw back to reading something instead of hearing it,we lose the inflection that one is really putting into the posts. Sometimes things are read into a post that are not really there. And we forget that we are dealing with different types of people and some will see something that another won't.
No problem with the encouragement.
I don't hate anyone.
I just have seen where both sides have done it. Things get a bit heated then you have one person feel slighted and then it goes from there. We tend to forget one big draw back to reading something instead of hearing it,we lose the inflection that one is really putting into the posts. Sometimes things are read into a post that are not really there. And we forget that we are dealing with different types of people and some will see something that another won't.
No problem with the encouragement.
I don't hate anyone.
An interesting thought but...
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The sacrifice was made once for all, but we do need to apply that sacrifice each and every time we sin to have it forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ...
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Heb 7:26 For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;
Heb 4:14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
Heb 4:15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The sacrifice was made once for all, but we do need to apply that sacrifice each and every time we sin to have it forgiven and covered by the blood of Christ...
Heb 10:10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
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so basically, We do the law minus the sacrifice?
That would be hard, considering we sin every day sins we do not know we are doing. How could those ever be forgiven?
worst yet, How could God say he HAS given us ETERNAL life, Has made us ALIVE in him, and has given us a spirit of adoption if non of these things are true??
What your asking people to do is impossible. and places God at our becking call. And not us at Gods becking call.. Your placing Gods gift of eternal life in the hands of our ability to do things. Not at the hands and trust of what he already accomplished on the cross.
"it is finished" he said, He did not say "ok I did my part, now you do yours"
I have been here just a bit longer and I have seen that many of the Bible discussions can get very heated. (I don't spend much time on some of parts of the forum)
I just have seen where both sides have done it. Things get a bit heated then you have one person feel slighted and then it goes from there. We tend to forget one big draw back to reading something instead of hearing it,we lose the inflection that one is really putting into the posts. Sometimes things are read into a post that are not really there. And we forget that we are dealing with different types of people and some will see something that another won't.
No problem with the encouragement.
I don't hate anyone.
I just have seen where both sides have done it. Things get a bit heated then you have one person feel slighted and then it goes from there. We tend to forget one big draw back to reading something instead of hearing it,we lose the inflection that one is really putting into the posts. Sometimes things are read into a post that are not really there. And we forget that we are dealing with different types of people and some will see something that another won't.
No problem with the encouragement.
I don't hate anyone.
In my own small way, I am trying to make a habit of speaking to others as I believe God is pleased with. I will tell you here and now - I fail. There may be times I write something that comes from me only and not the Holy Spirit in me, but it is my fault for letting my human nature override the Spirit of God. Just so you know ahead of time
I read this often and have it hanging here in my computer room - lest I forget...
A Christian should be a striking likeness of Jesus Christ. You have read lives of Christ, beautifully and eloquently written, but the best life of Christ is his living biography, written out in the words and actions of his people. If we were what we profess to be, and what we should be, we should be pictures of Christ; yea, such striking likenesses of him, that the world would not have to hold us up by the hour together, and say, “Well, it seems somewhat of a likeness;” but they would, when they once beheld us, exclaim, “He has been with Jesus;”
-C. H. Spurgeon
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there is not ridicule on their comments, their is a knowledge of what (at least one) believes. It is not a ridicule on their comment per say, but a trying to show them the true meaning of the comment so they could see.
anyone can post scripture.. it does not mean they understand what that means.
We have ALL done those things. but there is something which makes us acceptable to god and bale to enter the kingdom, from others who are just as guilty as we are will not enter the kingdom.
so what is this?
it also comes to a knowledge of sin. SOme want to focus on certain sin, but deny other sins which in Gods eyes are just as bad.
it is the pharisee spirit. i do not murder, get drunk, commit sexual morality. so God loves me. Because I am not like the sinner.
we as people of God need to realise we will NEVER line up with the just requirement of the law. thus we will never earn the right to become children of God.
anyone can post scripture.. it does not mean they understand what that means.
We have ALL done those things. but there is something which makes us acceptable to god and bale to enter the kingdom, from others who are just as guilty as we are will not enter the kingdom.
so what is this?
it also comes to a knowledge of sin. SOme want to focus on certain sin, but deny other sins which in Gods eyes are just as bad.
it is the pharisee spirit. i do not murder, get drunk, commit sexual morality. so God loves me. Because I am not like the sinner.
we as people of God need to realise we will NEVER line up with the just requirement of the law. thus we will never earn the right to become children of God.