HAVE WE BEEN SOLD A LEMON ABOUT WHO THE REAL JEWS ARE ?
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same one you got Mammachickadee 
ok lets see. tell me if this means literal stars falling from heaven revelation 6 vs 3 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
ok lets see. tell me if this means literal stars falling from heaven revelation 6 vs 3 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth
Matthew 19:30 But many who are first will be last, and many who are last will be first.
M
I do not disagree that there is an enormous amount of symbolism contained in the Bible. That will never be disputed with me. I do not disagree that I personally believe all that I have said stated as my opinion... but isn't that the point of having a personal relationship with God. Though there are certain undisputable facts, some things a person obviously chooses sides on. I will be blatant and say that so far you have some of the most far-fetched and unfrequented bibliological interpretations I have ever heard. However, until you blatantly disagree with a fundamental I will not doubt the possibility that you have been Justified. Does justification mean always clinging to proper doctrine, though? Obviously not. Historically, no.
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thats the sign of the truth. the truth is not common. if it is common then it is not the truth. here is a reaction to christ when he breaksdown doctrine. if you dont get this reaction then you are preaching something else >>>> mark 1 vs 27 And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine is this?
M
That was at the beginning of cristology when it hadn't been plastered all over the earth with varied interpretations. Not everyone had heard of Jesus of Nazareth.
The Greeks were a minority. The Muslims used to be a minority. The Universal Unitarianists are a minority. Evolutionists used to be a minority. Pedophyles are a minority. Polygamists are a minority. Works-for-salvation folks used to be a minority. Minority or novelty does not= truth. Neither does persecution mean truth because the Christians used to persecute the Catholics; the Anglicans persecuted the American Indians; etc. The point that certain truths are not common is mutt with your particular supports and opinion.
The Greeks were a minority. The Muslims used to be a minority. The Universal Unitarianists are a minority. Evolutionists used to be a minority. Pedophyles are a minority. Polygamists are a minority. Works-for-salvation folks used to be a minority. Minority or novelty does not= truth. Neither does persecution mean truth because the Christians used to persecute the Catholics; the Anglicans persecuted the American Indians; etc. The point that certain truths are not common is mutt with your particular supports and opinion.
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everything you said up there has nothing to do with the bible. those are man made labels people put on each other. i am not dealing with labels. i am dealing with the word. the lord only allows his servants the prophets into the secret of the word ( amos 3 vs 7 ). not everyone who reads the bible is going to get a proper understanding of it. the lord is not dealing with everybody. most read the bible and put their own carnal interpretation because the lord is not revealing anything to them. only a few have the proper understanding of scriptures.
thats the problem. not too many people have the holy spirit. to have the holy spirit, firstly your pride level has to be zero. you can hardly find people like that around even if they pretend to read scriptures. zero pride. secondly you have to accept christ as described in the bible john 7 vs 38 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water <<< rivers of living water is the knowledge of this bible will be revealed to you. the secrets.
you approach this like a child. zero pride.
not too many people have these qualities. God does not deal with arrogant and pompous people. so not too many people have the holy spirit.
you approach this like a child. zero pride.
not too many people have these qualities. God does not deal with arrogant and pompous people. so not too many people have the holy spirit.
L
Romans 2:28-29 (KJV)
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.
M
THAT is a contradiction to the fundamentals. Christ, at the time of His departure, stated that He left us the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the very reason why a believer is different from an unbeliever. To say that the Holy Spirit does not go to EVERY person the Lord has justified is saying that the Holy Spirit is not doing His job... and we both know that is blasphemy. God makes no mistakes and never neglects His own.
A human being on this earth will NEVER have 0 pride. Pride is the most common sin that not a single human can avoid.
A human being on this earth will NEVER have 0 pride. Pride is the most common sin that not a single human can avoid.
i get the feeling your comprehension and approach of scriptures is from an academic point of view and not from a spiritual point of view. the holy spirit does not go to every person. the holy spirit is in everyone but it is docile and dead in some while it is active and quickened in some. for the holy spirit to be quickened in you it is not as easy as saying you are a believer. what exactly is a believer ? do you obey his laws ? he said if you love me you will obey my laws. do you obey his laws ? are you a prideful person ? do you study to show yourself approved etc etc. all these are things that start quickening the holy spirit in you amongst a host of others. this is not a simple proccess. thats why so many people confuse themselves trying to interpret doctrine. they think they all have the holy spirit yet there are a million interpretations of the same verse.
Yes, I do have much academic background in the Bible from multiple viewpoints. Do I understand you to be questioning my salvation? The Holy Spirit is quite active and present in every single person the Lord has seen fit to justify (His elect). Do you wish scriptural supports?
The Holy Spirit is quite active and present in every single person the Lord has seen fit to justify (His elect). Do you wish scriptural supports?