Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?

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Joh 7:23 If a man on the sabbath day receive circumcision, that the law of Moses should not be broken; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Was Jesus teaching that the law of Moses had ended? I don't think so. Jesus is our Rabbi....that is the true teacher of all things Jewish and Israelitish (ie Torah, Prophets, and Writings). We are spiritual Israel who have faith in Jesus and have grace poured out on us.

Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Heb 8:10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

God writes His Laws on our hearts and puts them into our minds. What Laws you ask? Through the Holy Spirit and the renewing of your mind, that is reading and studying Torah and Prophets and Writings (ie. OT). The Holy Spirit will bring to mind those things you have searched out in the scriptures at just the right moments when they are needed. You have heard garbage in garbage out. The Torah is not garbage but treasures.

Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Surely, all things Torah is a matter of faith and grace with the aid of the Holy Spirit to guide you. However, if you kick the pricks, that is shut off what little light may come in, you will abide in darkness.

But, Joh 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

How important is the Father to you? How important is the renewed covenant to you? Jesus is the mediator between the old covenant and the new covenant. He is our bridge to entering everlasting life. He is also our teacher, that is of the true religion of spiritual Israelites. Not Paul and the twisted interpretation that the Law is bad and therefore to be avoided. Paul is misunderstood, as I share previously.

To fully answer your question, I am not a teacher to believers who do not obey God's commandments. To those who obey God's commandments, we are iron sharpening iron to each other.
so we should all be circumcised? in order to enter the covenant?
 
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There are no such things as the renewed covenant and a mediator between covenants. Jesus is the mediator of the new covenant.
I think that scripture identifies Jesus as being the one and only mediator of two things. I think that WomanLovesTX could be referring to Jesus fulfilling the law, for if there was only one thing to mediate, there could be no fulfilling. Hope that makes sense. Does to me anyway.

Galatians 3:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

1 Timothy 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

The covenants of the Old Testament were promises given by God. Jesus completed it. After all, the four gospels were taught by Jesus under the old covenants. The "new" covenant did not arrive until after His death.

Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
 
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Answer this: was Jesus circumcised physically? Did Jesus say do not do as is done to me?
that does not answer the question.

Yes or no. Do we need to be circumcised to enter the covenant?
 
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Answer this: was Jesus circumcised physically? Did Jesus say do not do as is done to me?
So the deceitful spirit in you won't allow you to directly and openly admit that you do believe that believers should be circumcised in the flesh.

That's all I needed to know. Now I know what you're all about. thx
 
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I think that scripture identifies Jesus as being the one and only mediator of two things. I think that WomanLovesTX could be referring to Jesus fulfilling the law, for if there was only one thing to mediate, there could be no fulfilling. Hope that makes sense. Does to me anyway.
Nothing you say makes sense to me.
 
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that does not answer the question.

Yes or no. Do we need to be circumcised to enter the covenant?
I'll answer it with scripture under the writing of the Old Testament i.e. old covenant endorsing the real meaning, precept, principle, persuasion of the law of circumcision.

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jeremiah 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Therefore, the truth about this law is confirmed by the new. I don't believe that anyone who is believer in Christ Jesus advocates obeying the Mosaic law in the flesh only. We serve God from our heart. So if I serve as God has always intended, and if I feel so led to be circumcised in the flesh, who is righteous enough to judge my intentions?

Romans 2:25-27 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?
 
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I'll answer it with scripture under the writing of the Old Testament i.e. old covenant endorsing the real meaning, precept, principle, persuasion of the law of circumcision.

Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.

Deuteronomy 30:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Jeremiah 4:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Circumcise yourselves to the LORD, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.

Therefore, the truth about this law is confirmed by the new. I don't believe that anyone who is believer in Christ Jesus advocates obeying the Mosaic law in the flesh only. We serve God from our heart. So if I serve as God has always intended, and if I feel so led to be circumcised in the flesh, who is righteous enough to judge my intentions?

Romans 2:25-27 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

well I did not ask you, I knew what you though. i asked her. Why is she so hesitaqnt to answer?
 

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So the deceitful spirit in you won't allow you to directly and openly admit that you do believe that believers should be circumcised in the flesh.

That's all I needed to know. Now I know what you're all about. thx
I don't have a deceitful spirit. Let me say it this way, after grace comes fruit. Our obedience is not the root of our salvation. The ancient Israelites were given laws after redemption. They did not have the Holy Spirit and in their flesh they refused to obey all that God commanded. God divorced the house of Israel with the promise he would write his commandments on our hearts as the new covenant. I am not saying nor have I ever said that works of the flesh are for salvation. Jesus said if you love me then keep my commandments. Twisting Paul's teachings and making his words contradict Christ is shameful.
 
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Sorry, not trying to be rude, but I just can't get a handle on exactly what you believe.
Ask me about certain things that seem to be confusing to you. Maybe it would be best if you mailed me in CC, and then we could keep it private. Your choice
 
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I don't have a deceitful spirit. Let me say it this way, after grace comes fruit. Our obedience is not the root of our salvation. The ancient Israelites were given laws after redemption. They did not have the Holy Spirit and in their flesh they refused to obey all that God commanded. God divorced the house of Israel with the promise he would write his commandments on our hearts as the new covenant. I am not saying nor have I ever said that works of the flesh are for salvation. Jesus said if you love me then keep my commandments. Twisting Paul's teachings and making his words contradict Christ is shameful.
so you can't say yes or no??

Again, Is circumcision required to enter into the covenant.

why are you so afraid?
 
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so you can't say yes or no??

Again, Is circumcision required to enter into the covenant.

why are you so afraid?

I think you need to clarify whether you are asking about the physical aspects or the spiritual aspects. I wouldn't answer it either, with a yes or a no, until that is clarified, otherwise all who see the question will determine that it seems like a trap to instigate argument. By avoiding the question she is abiding by scripture.

2 Timothy 2:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
 

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so you can't say yes or no??

Again, Is circumcision required to enter into the covenant.

why are you so afraid?
The physical circumcision on the infants 8th day is a commandment to the child's parents to obey. So a Gentile was not physically circumcised as Jesus was done on the 8th day. Circumcision of the heart has always been an Old Testament commandment.
 
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Exodus 22:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]If a man shall cause a field or vineyard to be eaten, and shall put in his beast, and shall feed in another man's field; of the best of his own field, and of the best of his own vineyard, shall he make restitution.

This has everything to do with loving our neighbor as we would want them to love us. Take heed to the principles thereof.
 
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The physical circumcision on the infants 8th day is a commandment to the child's parents to obey. So a Gentile was not physically circumcised as Jesus was done on the 8th day. Circumcision of the heart has always been an Old Testament commandment.

Finally thanks.

Now how can you circumcise your heart? (tricky question so be carefull)