Is The Mosaic Law Beneficial For Those Who Have Faith?
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Psalm 119:34
Give me understanding, that I may keep your law and observe it with my whole heart.
Matthew 5:19
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Give me understanding, that I may keep your law and observe it with my whole heart.
Matthew 5:19
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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The scripture says different.
Galatians 3:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Hebrews 9:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The first Testament contains the writings of Moses, and the prophets. Jesus is the mediator so the two fit together as God has intended from the beginning. Jesus clearly tells the Pharisees that without believing the writings of Moses, they wouldn't believe His Words.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Galatians 3:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Hebrews 9:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The first Testament contains the writings of Moses, and the prophets. Jesus is the mediator so the two fit together as God has intended from the beginning. Jesus clearly tells the Pharisees that without believing the writings of Moses, they wouldn't believe His Words.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
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Heb. 7
11Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?
12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
13For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
15And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
16who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.
17For it is witnessed of Him,
“THOU ART A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.”
18For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness
19(for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
20And inasmuch as it was not without an oath
21(for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
“THE LORD HAS SWORN
AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND,
‘THOU ART A PRIEST FOREVER’”);
22so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23And the former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers, because they were prevented by death from continuing,
24but He, on the other hand, because He abides forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
25Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb. 8
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.
13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Heb. 9
15And for this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb. 10
19Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
22let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful
I recommend reading Hebrews from start to finish for a fuller understanding of just what God did in establishing this NEW covenant.
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
11Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron?
12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also.
13For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar.
14For it is evident that our Lord was descended from Judah, a tribe with reference to which Moses spoke nothing concerning priests.
15And this is clearer still, if another priest arises according to the likeness of Melchizedek,
16who has become such not on the basis of a law of physical requirement, but according to the power of an indestructible life.
17For it is witnessed of Him,
“THOU ART A PRIEST FOREVER
ACCORDING TO THE ORDER OF MELCHIZEDEK.”
18For, on the one hand, there is a setting aside of a former commandment because of its weakness and uselessness
19(for the Law made nothing perfect), and on the other hand there is a bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
20And inasmuch as it was not without an oath
21(for they indeed became priests without an oath, but He with an oath through the One who said to Him,
“THE LORD HAS SWORN
AND WILL NOT CHANGE HIS MIND,
‘THOU ART A PRIEST FOREVER’”);
22so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.
23And the former priests, on the one hand, existed in greater numbers, because they were prevented by death from continuing,
24but He, on the other hand, because He abides forever, holds His priesthood permanently.
25Hence, also, He is able to save forever those who draw near to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
Heb. 8
7For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.
13When He said, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. But whatever is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to disappear.
Heb. 9
15And for this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, in order that since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Heb. 10
19Since therefore, brethren, we have confidence to enter the holy place by the blood of Jesus,
20by a new and living way which He inaugurated for us through the veil, that is, His flesh,
21and since we have a great priest over the house of God,
22let us draw near with a sincere heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.
23Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful
I recommend reading Hebrews from start to finish for a fuller understanding of just what God did in establishing this NEW covenant.
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
I recommend reading Hebrews from start to finish for a fuller understanding of just what God did in establishing this NEW covenant.
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
This verse refers to physical temple worship
The Mosaic Law is to be seen as a trinity of sorts, yet one, just as God has three parts, yet is one. The complete law consists of the Levitical temple worship, the morals of the law, and the judgments of the law. Levitical temple worship has been transferred into us through the indwelling Holy Spirit.
2 Corinthians 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
No one that advocates the law as relevant is saying that the old temple worship needs to be re-instated, but those that want nothing to do with the law insinuate that this is what we are advocating. Nevertheless, if we study the old temple worship, we can be enlightened to what happens within ourselves through the indwelling Spirit by the study thereof. Now, the core of our very being is the mercy seat on which the Spirit of God sits, and so on.
The moral precepts of the law are to be well thought of as relevant for today, for if we reject the precepts and principles of Godly morality, then we are vulnerable to the law of God’s judgment. There are curses and blessings. I want the judgment of blessing from God, by observing moral aspects and precepts of the Mosaic Law, and the temple worship is through Christ Jesus alone.
Galatians 2:20 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
I have read Hebrews several times, still I thank you for your exhortation. Now I would challenge you to read Leviticus 14 starting with verse 33 through the end of the chapter and see if you can see restoration through the High Priest, and the dwelling that is being restored. See if you can see the cross, and the shedding of blood for cleansing. See if you can detect the Passover through Christ. IT'S THE LAW.
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Paul the Apostle ... (God's chosen witness for Christ in bringing the gospel to the gentiles) believed in physical circumcision. He believed that all who sought after God should be circumcised.
The above statement is true in the sense that Paul once believed this when he was a prominent pharisee. But it doesn't contain the essence of truth of the gospel that speaks of the circumcision of our hearts and our freedom in Christ under God's New Covenant. If we desire to be understood, it is ours to be clear and precise. Otherwise, we might be construed as attempting to muddy the waters
The above statement is true in the sense that Paul once believed this when he was a prominent pharisee. But it doesn't contain the essence of truth of the gospel that speaks of the circumcision of our hearts and our freedom in Christ under God's New Covenant. If we desire to be understood, it is ours to be clear and precise. Otherwise, we might be construed as attempting to muddy the waters
So you are saying to obey the Ten Commandments and all the other 613 or so as well, is this correct?
Now I see the Commandments that are talked about after the resurrection of Christ as the two greatest commands which is LOVE, God's way as best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
Also after the death of Christ where he took away the sin of the world in Father's sight so Father could see us as perfect and give us new life in the Spirit, not the flesh, and thus we could then worship in spirit and truth to Father, by the Finished work of Christ at the cross of to us in Love that is forever
Pretty simple
A new covenant, a new priesthood, not in the order of Aaron, in the order of Melchizadek, and new laws
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
A new priesthood and new law
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-19[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest [SUP]16 [/SUP]who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For He testifies:
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Now I see the Commandments that are talked about after the resurrection of Christ as the two greatest commands which is LOVE, God's way as best described in 1 Cor. 13:4-13
Also after the death of Christ where he took away the sin of the world in Father's sight so Father could see us as perfect and give us new life in the Spirit, not the flesh, and thus we could then worship in spirit and truth to Father, by the Finished work of Christ at the cross of to us in Love that is forever
Pretty simple
A new covenant, a new priesthood, not in the order of Aaron, in the order of Melchizadek, and new laws
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 8:6 But in fact the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, since the new covenant is established on better promises.
Hebrews 8:13 By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.
Hebrews 9:15 And for this reason He is the Mediator of the new covenant, by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions under the first covenant, that those who are called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.
A new priesthood and new law
[h=3]Hebrews 7:11-19[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]Need for a New Priesthood[/h][SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore, if perfection were through the Levitical priesthood (for under it the people received the law), what further need was there that another priest should rise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be called according to the order of Aaron? [SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there is also a change of the law. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For He of whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no man has officiated at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord arose from Judah, of which tribe Moses spoke nothing concerning priesthood. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident if, in the likeness of Melchizedek, there arises another priest [SUP]16 [/SUP]who has come, not according to the law of a fleshly commandment, but according to the power of an endless life. [SUP]17 [/SUP]For He testifies:
“You are a priest forever
According to the order of Melchizedek.”
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God.
Wow!!!! I have seen some good twists of scripture, by far you are the best and either you do know this or are ignorant of the truth as what is truth,
Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, where God is not counting our sins against us any of them
[h=3]Hebrews 10:17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]then He adds,
“Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
And you as well as others here are keeping a constant reminder of them through the Mosaic Law as if this is beneficial to be all stressed out over whether God loves or not. Shame on you all
This salvation is great and I do not ignore this kind of Love from God to me
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
So tell me how is it beneficial after seeing that I am not perfect by the Mosaic Law, and can't be perfect and do it all perfectly?
All I see and saw when I was under it I was under a curse and miserable as can be.
When God showed me his Love for me through the Cross, I believed God and was and am set free to Love as God Loves, no longer under stress in trying to obey Law.
It is the Love from God through the Cross of Christ that has set me free from the Law of sin and death, my flesh that is.
The devil has lied from the beginning and continues to do so and possibly to be able to fool the very elect of God.
The devil did it by causing Doubt and has used doubt to cause dismay ever since
Truth GODJUSTLOVE. Christ proofed this by going to the cross for you, which Christ never had to do, being perfect, there was no need for this. But he did it for all, that will come to belief and rest in him.
Thank you very much, God just love you. Believe, see, receive, and be free
Christ is the mediator of a NEW COVENANT, where God is not counting our sins against us any of them
[h=3]Hebrews 10:17[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]then He adds,
“Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”
And you as well as others here are keeping a constant reminder of them through the Mosaic Law as if this is beneficial to be all stressed out over whether God loves or not. Shame on you all
This salvation is great and I do not ignore this kind of Love from God to me
Hebrews 2:3
how shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation, which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed to us by those who heard Him,
So tell me how is it beneficial after seeing that I am not perfect by the Mosaic Law, and can't be perfect and do it all perfectly?
All I see and saw when I was under it I was under a curse and miserable as can be.
When God showed me his Love for me through the Cross, I believed God and was and am set free to Love as God Loves, no longer under stress in trying to obey Law.
It is the Love from God through the Cross of Christ that has set me free from the Law of sin and death, my flesh that is.
The devil has lied from the beginning and continues to do so and possibly to be able to fool the very elect of God.
The devil did it by causing Doubt and has used doubt to cause dismay ever since
Truth GODJUSTLOVE. Christ proofed this by going to the cross for you, which Christ never had to do, being perfect, there was no need for this. But he did it for all, that will come to belief and rest in him.
Thank you very much, God just love you. Believe, see, receive, and be free
I recommend reading Hebrews from start to finish for a fuller understanding of just what God did in establishing this NEW covenant.
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
It's new!
Based on better promises, and a perfect High Priest!
Perfectly and FULLY provided by Christ's sacrifice.
Man has no part in this new covenant because (as the first covenant proved) man cannot uphold his end of the deal.
Ever.
When our parents sinned in the garden, did God tell them to sacrifice an animal for covering? No. HE did it.
When Abraham was too terrified to walk between the slaughtered animals, Who came and did it?
It's all about this plan God had from the foundation of the world to redeem us.
4But when the fulness of the time came, God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the Law,
5in order that He might redeem those who were under the Law, that we might receive the adoption as sons. (Gal 4)
17For the Law was given through Moses; grace and truth were realized through Jesus Christ. (John 1)
John 10:35 (KJV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
Everything in the Bible must agree with every other word of scripture. If it doesn’t, someone is missing something in their study and needs to apply himself/herself more fully and pray for God to grant him/her understanding. Oh, I forgot this is the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] century and we are the “enlightened generation” because we have been taught we don’t need to study, and of course we don’t need any of the Old Testament, except the Psalms – they are so comforting – but not all of the Psalms though. We no longer need to know that the man after God’s own heart, King David, loved God’s law. We don’t need to hear David say in Psalm 119:1-5:
1 “How happy are those whose way of life is blameless, who live by the Torah of ADONAI!
2How happy are those who observe his instruction, who seek him wholeheartedly!
3 They do nothing wrong but live by his ways.
4 You laid down your precepts for us to observe with care.
5May my ways be steady in observing your laws.
And we certainly don’t need to heed David’s helpful instruction to future generations in the very first Psalm, where he wrote:
1 “How blessed are those who reject the advice of the wicked, don't stand on the way of sinners or sit where scoffers sit!
2 Their delight is in ADONAI's Torah; on his Torah they meditate day and night.
3 They are like trees planted by streams -they bear their fruit in season, their leaves never wither, everything they do succeeds.
4 Not so the wicked, who are like chaff driven by the wind.
5For this reason the wicked won't stand up to the judgment, nor will sinners at the gathering of the righteous.
6 For ADONAI watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked is doomed.
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We are told in 2 Peter 1:16-21:
16 “For when we made known to you the power and the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, we did not rely on cunningly contrived myths. On the contrary, we saw his majesty with our own eyes.
17 For we were there when he received honor and glory from God the Father; and the voice came to him from the grandeur of the Sh'khinah [loosely translated means “Glory”], saying, "This is my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him!"
18 We heard this voice come out of heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain.
19 Yes, we have the prophetic Word made very certain. You will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark, murky place, until the Day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.
20 First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
21 for never has a prophecy come as a result of human willing - on the contrary, people moved by the Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit] spoke a message from God.
And be sure to toss out:
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Facetious? Who – me? Jesus is my example and He used facetiousness when He spoke to the Pharisees – see the Gospel of John.
We are told in 2 Peter 1:16-21:
16 “For when we made known to you the power and the coming of our Lord Yeshua the Messiah, we did not rely on cunningly contrived myths. On the contrary, we saw his majesty with our own eyes.
17 For we were there when he received honor and glory from God the Father; and the voice came to him from the grandeur of the Sh'khinah [loosely translated means “Glory”], saying, "This is my son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him!"
18 We heard this voice come out of heaven when we were with him on the holy mountain.
19 Yes, we have the prophetic Word made very certain. You will do well to pay attention to it as to a light shining in a dark, murky place, until the Day dawns and the Morning Star rises in your hearts.
20 First of all, understand this: no prophecy of Scripture is to be interpreted by an individual on his own;
21 for never has a prophecy come as a result of human willing - on the contrary, people moved by the Ruach HaKodesh [Holy Spirit] spoke a message from God.
And be sure to toss out:
2 Timothy 2:15 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
Facetious? Who – me? Jesus is my example and He used facetiousness when He spoke to the Pharisees – see the Gospel of John.
oh.....wow.
Moses was the mediator of the ministry of death and condemnation!
Jesus is the mediator of the NEW (all new) Covenant.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
He is NOT the mediator between the two covenants!
2 Corinthians 3
New Covenant Ministry
7Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory,k so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his face — a fading glory — 8how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness overflows with even more glory. 10In fact, what had been glorious is not glorious now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was fading awayl was glorious, what endures will be even more glorious.
12Therefore, having such a hope,m we use great boldness. 13We are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his facen so that the Israelites could not stare at the end of what was fading away, 14but their minds were closed.o, p For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant,q the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside only in Christ.r 15Even to this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, 16but whenever a person turnss to the Lord, the veil is removed.t 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18We all, with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror atu, v the glory of the Lordw and are being transformedx into the same imagey from glory to glory;z this is from the Lord who is the Spirit.aa - Holman
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2 Corinthians 3
4But in this way we have trust in The Messiah toward God, 5Not that we are sufficient to think anything as from ourselves, but our power is from God, 6He who made us worthy to be Ministers of The New Covenant, not in The Scripture, but in The Spirit, for The Scripture kills, but The Spirit gives life.
7But if the ministry of death in The Scripture carved in stone was with glory, so that the children of Israel were not able to gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face ( that which has been canceled ), 8How shall therefore the ministry of The Spirit not be all the more with glory? 9For if the administration of a guilty verdict was certain glory, how much more shall the administration of righteousness superabound in glory? 10For that which was glorified was not even glorious by comparison to that excellent glory. 11For if that which has been eliminated was with glory, all the more that which remains shall be with glory.
12Therefore, because we have this hope, we conduct ourselves publicly all the more. 13And not as Moses who had laid a veil over his face, so that the children of Israel would not gaze at the termination of that which was ceasing. 14But they were blinded in their understanding; for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them, and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah. 15And until today, whenever Moses is read, the veil is laid over their heart, 16And whenever anyone of them will be turned to THE LORD JEHOVAH, the veil is taken away from him. 17But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom. 18But we all see the glory of THE LORD JEHOVAH with unveiled faces, as in a mirror, and we are changed into the image from glory to glory, as from THE LORD JEHOVAH, THE SPIRIT. - ABPE
how can you miss the point of what Jesus said?
Romans 3:21
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
Moses was the mediator of the ministry of death and condemnation!
Jesus is the mediator of the NEW (all new) Covenant.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
He is NOT the mediator between the two covenants!
2 Corinthians 3
New Covenant Ministry
7Now if the ministry of death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory,k so that the Israelites were not able to look directly at Moses’ face because of the glory from his face — a fading glory — 8how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? 9For if the ministry of condemnation had glory, the ministry of righteousness overflows with even more glory. 10In fact, what had been glorious is not glorious now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses it. 11For if what was fading awayl was glorious, what endures will be even more glorious.
12Therefore, having such a hope,m we use great boldness. 13We are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his facen so that the Israelites could not stare at the end of what was fading away, 14but their minds were closed.o, p For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant,q the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside only in Christ.r 15Even to this day, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, 16but whenever a person turnss to the Lord, the veil is removed.t 17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. 18We all, with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror atu, v the glory of the Lordw and are being transformedx into the same imagey from glory to glory;z this is from the Lord who is the Spirit.aa - Holman
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2 Corinthians 3
4But in this way we have trust in The Messiah toward God, 5Not that we are sufficient to think anything as from ourselves, but our power is from God, 6He who made us worthy to be Ministers of The New Covenant, not in The Scripture, but in The Spirit, for The Scripture kills, but The Spirit gives life.
7But if the ministry of death in The Scripture carved in stone was with glory, so that the children of Israel were not able to gaze at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face ( that which has been canceled ), 8How shall therefore the ministry of The Spirit not be all the more with glory? 9For if the administration of a guilty verdict was certain glory, how much more shall the administration of righteousness superabound in glory? 10For that which was glorified was not even glorious by comparison to that excellent glory. 11For if that which has been eliminated was with glory, all the more that which remains shall be with glory.
12Therefore, because we have this hope, we conduct ourselves publicly all the more. 13And not as Moses who had laid a veil over his face, so that the children of Israel would not gaze at the termination of that which was ceasing. 14But they were blinded in their understanding; for until today whenever the Old Testament is read, that veil remains over them, and it is not revealed that it is being abolished by The Messiah. 15And until today, whenever Moses is read, the veil is laid over their heart, 16And whenever anyone of them will be turned to THE LORD JEHOVAH, the veil is taken away from him. 17But The Spirit is THE LORD JEHOVAH, and wherever The Spirit of THE LORD JEHOVAH is, there is freedom. 18But we all see the glory of THE LORD JEHOVAH with unveiled faces, as in a mirror, and we are changed into the image from glory to glory, as from THE LORD JEHOVAH, THE SPIRIT. - ABPE
how can you miss the point of what Jesus said?
Romans 3:21
21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ to all and on all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God
So you say that a mediator is a mediator of one? That isn’t what the Bible says. So one could say that Jesus is the mediator between the sinful nature of man and the covenant of the New. I would agree with that, but then you probably won’t understand and call me double minded. Sinful man is of the Old, which is the law of sin and death. The New is in Christ of eternal life. The law of sin and death is a law for sure, so where would you say it is described except form the Old? If you think that is Pharisaical concept then do what Jesus said and accuse me via the writings of Moses.
John 5:45-47 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Here’s another verse or two to comprehend
Hebrews 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Numbers 32:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
John 5:45-47 (KJV)
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Here’s another verse or two to comprehend
Hebrews 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
Numbers 32:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But if ye will not do so, behold, ye have sinned against the LORD: and be sure your sin will find you out.
oh.....wow.
Moses was the mediator of the ministry of death and condemnation!
Jesus is the mediator of the NEW (all new) Covenant.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
He is NOT the mediator between the two covenants!
Originally Posted by just-me
Jesus clearly tells the Pharisees that without believing the writings of Moses, they wouldn't believe His Words.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
how can you miss the point of what Jesus said?
Moses was the mediator of the ministry of death and condemnation!
Jesus is the mediator of the NEW (all new) Covenant.
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
He is NOT the mediator between the two covenants!
Jesus clearly tells the Pharisees that without believing the writings of Moses, they wouldn't believe His Words.
John 5:46-47 (KJV)
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me: for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
how can you miss the point of what Jesus said?
Originally Posted by Shiloah
Psalm 119:34
Give me understanding, that I may keep your law and observe it with my whole heart.
Matthew 5:19
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Very good point! So what you are saying in addition to Shiloah’s verses presented here is that all the teachings of Jesus (before His death on the cross) are within the boundaries of the Old Covenant. This is soooo true! So why in the world would we want to proclaim that the Old Covenant is a thing of the past?
Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
Psalm 119:34
Give me understanding, that I may keep your law and observe it with my whole heart.
Matthew 5:19
Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Very good point! So what you are saying in addition to Shiloah’s verses presented here is that all the teachings of Jesus (before His death on the cross) are within the boundaries of the Old Covenant. This is soooo true! So why in the world would we want to proclaim that the Old Covenant is a thing of the past?
Hebrews 9:16-17 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.