Charis-mania/chaos and related movements, discussion, research, cautions/warnings

[1still_waters]

This thread is dedicated to the research, discussion, cautioning, warning of errors/heresies/abuses within the charismatic movement and related movements such as word of faith, pentecostalism, NAR, latter rain, and the like. The scope of this thread is the errors/heresies/abuses. It is not meant to portray guilt by association. For example person A is guilty because of person B.

This thread is not meant for "you-too-ism". Meaning if you object to the topic of this thread, please do not come in and point to errors within movements this thread isn't about and then proclaim, "They have issues too."

This thread isn't meant for temper tantrums, emotional breakdowns, or the like. If you don't like the topic, then please close the topic.

This thread isn't meant for debate. It's meant for posting research. If you don't agree with the research posted, please create your own thread and offer your rebuttals.

Humor is allowed.

This is placed in the Misc category so it won't intrude upon those in the Bible discussion forum.

 

[1still_waters]

First "holy" laughter.
[video=youtube;Wn6FF5nhTSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs[/video]

This is chaos, and disorder.
God is a God of order.

 

[1still_waters]

John MacArthur had a series on charismatic chaos.

I'll post a few.

[video=youtube;Xm1AutBvkRM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xm1AutBvkRM[/video]

 

[1still_waters]

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[video=youtube;9d5lDeMJjx4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d5lDeMJjx4[/video]

 

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[video=youtube;6UJh76Tsa34]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UJh76Tsa34[/video]

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[1still_waters]

[video=youtube;XkvF70n7kCQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkvF70n7kCQ[/video]

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[video=youtube;O8cDp7CHmu0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8cDp7CHmu0&list=TLqSM15CAxfT8[/video]

 

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[video=youtube;ecHfJnss9Eo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecHfJnss9Eo[/video]

 

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[video=youtube;eBpw2oQrvMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM[/video]

 

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[video=youtube;BCcGaTRwG_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCcGaTRwG_4[/video]

 

[1still_waters]

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[video=youtube;dWeUNoR30_0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWeUNoR30_0[/video]

 

[unclefester]

First "holy" laughter.
[video=youtube;Wn6FF5nhTSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs[/video]

This is chaos, and disorder.
God is a God of order.

Far more than chaos and disorder. Satanic to the core. I'm very very happy every time this trash is posted. If seeing it in action free's even one person from this nightmare of an abomination, it'll all be worth it. Let the chari's/pente's call us what they may. We stand on the side of God's truth.

 

[zone]

there's C Peter Wagner in there. the old boy with the white hair.


C. Peter Wagner, head of the New Apostolic Reformation, who has been so controversial in the news lately due to his Dominion teachings, was interviewed by Terry Gross on Monday (10-3-11) for National Public Radio's "Fresh Air" program. To read a summary and listen, go to this PAGE. The transcript is available HERE.

In this interview it is very clear that Wagner no longer teaches the biblical message of the Gospel of Salvation. In fact, had he truly believed the biblical Gospel, he would have jumped at the opportunity to take the real Gospel of Jesus to this show's vast audience of "unreached people groups" (a goal he once held as a global mission leader).

Sadly, he let that priceless opportunity go in order to deliver another message -- that of the 7 mountain kingdom he is now working on building here on earth. His comments reflect the extent to which he has bought into the marketing methodology that a paradigm can be shifted if enough critical mass is reached, especially by putting people of influence (otherwise known as "change agents") into positions of power in society. This is how he intends to build his 7 mountain kingdom, he says.

Herescope: C. Peter Wagner < click


know your masonic change agents - they're talking communitarianism, baby.


Newt Gingrich, globalist, dominion theology, The New Apostolic Reformation, Mormons, New Agers and misled evangelicals appear to be working together whether they know it or not. In 1994 Gingrich made it perfectly clear that he was committed to the “Third Way” also known as communitarianism. Gore, Clinton, Gingrich and other globalists continue to promote “Third Way” thinking which combines socialism with capitalism. Newt is a friend and promoter of Alvin Toffler who wrote “Third Wave” also known as “Third Way”. The chairman of Newt’s organization “Renewing American Leadership” is Pastor Jim Garlow who has proclaimed that “I have interviewed persons who have talked specifically with Glenn about his personal salvation – persons extremely well known in Christianity – and they have affirmed (using language evangelicals understand), 'Glenn is saved'…He understands receiving Christ as savior.” Garlow has co-written the book, “Reformer’s Pledge” with NAR leaders, C. Peter Wagner, Cindy Jacobs, Lance Wallnau, and seven others.

Why are evangelicals like Garlow working with the NAR and globalist Newt Gingrich? Newt has been praised by New Agers according to columnist Steve Farrell and columnist Daniel Sayani says Gingrich views environmentalism as a “global religion of peace.” The NAR is pushing for a Christian globalism that involves building God’s Kingdom on earth with a Christian theocracy. Beck’s Mormonism believes in a Mormon Kingdom of God on earth and the globalist, such as John D. Rockefeller Jr., believe in a Kingdom of God on earth through global governance and communitarian and New Agers desire a harmonic convergence and one-world system. Why are evangelicals working alongside of Newt and the NAR and Mormon Glenn Beck? This is part of the religious Trojan horse Brannon has been warning evangelicals not to take part in.

Home | Worldview Weekend < click

this guy doesn't follow all the way through to the finish line, but close enough.
just pin the Fourth Wave on, and ....well....

 

[ForthAngel]

First "holy" laughter.
[video=youtube;Wn6FF5nhTSs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wn6FF5nhTSs[/video]

This is chaos, and disorder.
God is a God of order.

[h=1]“Mad Hatter: “Why is a raven like a writing-desk?”
“Have you guessed the riddle yet?” the Hatter said, turning to Alice again.
“No, I give it up,” Alice replied: “What’s the answer?”
“I haven’t the slightest idea,” said the Hatter”[/h]

 

[zone]

G. Campbell Morgan described the activities on Azusa Street as "the last vomit of Satan"


The Azusa Street Revival was a historic Pentecostal revival meeting that took place in Los Angeles, California and is the origin of the Pentecostal movement.[1] It was led by William J. Seymour, an African American preacher. It began with a meeting on April 9, 1906, and continued until roughly 1915. The revival was characterized by ecstatic spiritual experiences accompanied by miracles, dramatic worship services, speaking in tongues, and inter-racial mingling. The participants were criticized by the secular media and Christian theologians for behaviors considered to be outrageous and unorthodox, especially at the time. Today, the revival is considered by historians to be the primary catalyst for the spread of Pentecostalism in the 20th century.
Azusa Street Revival - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

Pentecost has come?

that's weird because Peter said it came when he was in Jerusalem.
just as Promised.

Acts 2
The Coming of the Holy Spirit
1When the day of Pentecost arrived, they were all together in one place. 2And suddenly there came from heaven a sound like a mighty rushing wind, and it filled the entire house where they were sitting. 3And divided tongues as of fire appeared to them and resteda on each one of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit gave them utterance.

5Now there were dwelling in Jerusalem Jews, devout men from every nation under heaven. 6And at this sound the multitude came together, and they were bewildered, because each one was hearing them speak in his own language. 7And they were amazed and astonished, saying, “Are not all these who are speaking Galileans? 8And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language? 9Parthians and Medes and Elamites and residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya belonging to Cyrene, and visitors from Rome, 11both Jews and proselytes, Cretans and Arabians—we hear them telling in our own tongues the mighty works of God.” 12And all were amazed and perplexed, saying to one another, “What does this mean?” 13But others mocking said, “They are filled with new wine.”

Peter’s Sermon at Pentecost
14But Peter, standing with the eleven, lifted up his voice and addressed them: “Men of Judea and all who dwell in Jerusalem, let this be known to you, and give ear to my words. 15For these people are not drunk, as you suppose, since it is only the third hour of the day.b 16But this is what was uttered through the prophet Joel.....

 

[J-Kay]

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[video=youtube;eBpw2oQrvMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBpw2oQrvMM[/video]

This is why I don't drink alcohol. I don't want to be out of control. I want
to be alert and know what I am doing. Thank you for this exposure.

 

[J-Kay]

If I wasn't out of my mind when I entered a service such as this,
I would be if I had to listen to just a few minutes. I tried, really I
tried to go through the 6 mins, but I simply could not.

What amazes me is this is not of God, IMO. I had heard about the
movements and had no idea how far it had gone. Actually looking
at the dress styles they appear older . I attended Full Gospel for
several years and never in a million years have I dreamed this would
occur. I believe God is a God of order. This was horrid...

 

[J-Kay]

God have mercy on the deceived. Thank you for sharing. I did not get into
the longer videos, but having been a believer for over 45 years, and being
involved in the Early Days of what was considered Charismatic movement,
I wanted to check out what I believed to be 'false movement'. I am even
ashamed to say the name Charismatic. That is not what it was early 70's.
Just as the short 3 part videos speaker said, I am as he. I am so glad he
too, sees the false movement. You would be amazed at those who fell into
the Todd Bentley trap. When he was on CBN Interactive, I was sick to my
stomach they would let that type of teaching be covered as a part of the
ministry. But... to their credit they did do away with it.

I believe in healing, laying on of hands are for today. But, be careful 'who'
lays hands on you. And, be careful 'who' you lay hands on. I believe in the
fullness of the Holy Spirit. I believe our Lord is a gentleman. I do not believe
in angel visitation, as far as coming into your home and sit and converse.
I do not believe in worshiping of angels. Yet I believe they do Gods bidding.

Anyone who can go into a service and see people rolling and laughing like
something one would find in an insane asylum, must be under the influence
of satan. I can't believe any Christian with Gods spirit in them, could stand
to sit under this wild demonic activity. Oh, and the person who pretended
to smoke a marijuana cigarette, Holy Ghost, ???? I think he acted like he was
doing just that.

I am not ashamed to be a Spirit filled Christian. I don't apologize for that.
I am so grateful to God due to circumstances, I came away from Church
for 8 years. ( I am not proud of that ) But it was through that time of being
out I began to find how somethings I had been taught as a Charismatic
were not in the Word of God. The very things we saw in the short video
clips. Or the 'positive confession' or the 'you are not allowed to be sick.'
Well, even though I did come back into Church, it was not like what I left.
Thank God for that. But, sadly they tend to lean toward New Age and I
can't attend there. I tried another one. The young woman came in as a
somewhat poor woman w/ husband and children. She was a Missionary
raised child and this means she was all over the world with her parents.
I do not know a lot about her except to say she was hired by this Church
and she was into the Prophetic. I believe in prophecy. But, not every week.
I believe in the laying on of hands as I said, and let me tell you what, she
laid hands on me and prayed in the spirit and the area she laid hands on
I became very ill and only God knows what was imparted. But, God is in
control and I believe in healing.

I knew she was not of God. I could not sit under her at all. I left the Church,
and she managed to kick even the leaders out. She ended up all by herself,
with the exception with a couple of people. She left the State.. then sold
the Church. I say all this to say, I have seen just about all there is regarding
the 'Charismatic' movement, and I don't want any part of sensationalism.
I am happy to love my Lord from my home and should He find a place He wants
me, I will go.

Thank you for exposing what needed to be. I just ask, don't be put off by
those of us who believe in healing and prophecy. Judge us by our fruits, please.

 

[zone]

The New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) is a title used to describe a movement within Protestant Christianity largely associated with the Pentecostal and the Charismatic movements. Its fundamental difference from other movements is the belief that the lost offices of church governance, namely the offices of prophet and apostle are being restored.[1]

New Apostolic Reformation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < click

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well, 1Still found this, but hasn't posted on it yet.
here goes, Still.
we should prolly be checking this thing out asap.


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from: Spirit of Error - a biblical response to the modern prophets and apostles movement


A New NAR Bible (Part 1) — ‘The Passion Translation’

Spirit Of Error

there are 4 PARTS.

or go here for summary:

A New Apostolic Reformation Bible: The Passion Translation | thebereancall.org < click

(personally i don't endorse Dave Hunt's theology - this is just reporting on the NAR)

 

[zone]

NEW NAR “BIBLE” A DANGEROUS HERESY

Have you heard about the latest Bible “translation?” This one comes from the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) camp, from the brain of one man, a human-appointed “Apostle.” It’s called “The Passion Translation,” written by Brian Simmons of Stairway Ministries.

Simmons has actually released four installments of his new translation:

Psalms: Poetry on Fire
Song of Solomon: Most Amazing Song of All
Luke: To the Lovers of God
Letters From Heaven by the Apostle Paul
Coming this fall he is releasing Proverbs, Wisdom From Above.

Let’s do a side-by-side comparison of Proverbs 8. Just for fun, I’ll use the NIV to compare what the Bible says, vs. what Simmons thinks it should say. First, the real deal:

Now here’s Simmons’ Passion version of Proverbs 8, in which he claims lots of secret are being unveiled:

cont.....